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Well Kerry also said bad things about the politicians running the war and told us to stop wasting the lives of our young men, so that's all the proof you need that he hates the troops and sold out his buddies to the vietcong.
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Edit: Endlessly beaten. That'll teach me not to refresh before posting.Vargatron posted:In America, being a Veteran means that your actions are Beyond Reproach and nobody should ever say a bad word about you. That's generally true, unless you're a Democrat. John Kerry and Max Cleland come to mind, as do soldiers, officers and generals who spoke out against the Iraq War. I believe Rush Limbaugh called them "phony soldiers." King Dopplepopolos fucked around with this message at 16:25 on Jan 30, 2015 |
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Jan 30, 2015 16:23
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Gravel Gravy posted:Vietnam War is probably far from the average American's mind, LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT JANE FONDA, THE MODERN EGGS BENEDICT TRAITOR, WHO LOVES ISLAM AND MADE KEITH HERNANDEZ SPIT ON VIETNAM VETERANS
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Popular Thug Drink posted:he loses points by not being a canvas on which dickless losers can project their rah rah jingoistic power-murder fantasies Ironic, really. Given his years in WWE and his role in Predator and Running Man.
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Bloodnose posted:The problem with this theory is that Jesse Ventura is also a veteran of the exact same type as Chris Kyle. Although I guess he just loses some points for not being a sniper so Chris Kyle is ranked higher and wins. Actually he got shot in the back by the Predator, "sniped" if you will.
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Jan 30, 2015 16:38
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Armyman25 posted:Actually he got shot in the back by the Predator, "sniped" if you will. The Predator is a real American hero.
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Jan 30, 2015 16:47
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Jan 30, 2015 17:06
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Bloodnose posted:
I mean gently caress it's so hard to live with this $1.87 a gallon gas and a shrinking unemployment rate. Why does Obama keep ruining this country?
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Jan 30, 2015 17:11
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Vargatron posted:I mean gently caress it's so hard to live with this $1.87 a gallon gas and a shrinking unemployment rate. Why does Obama keep ruining this country? This is exactly the poo poo that I had to deal with yesterday at work. If they're down, it's not his doing and it's just the market correcting itself or he's a politician and taking credit. If they're up, why doesn't Obama do something with his magical negro hands and the will of a nation? Or is he a commie/nazi/fascist/socialist/secret muslim/gay/racist/the antichrist that secretly wants to destroy Amurrka?
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Jan 30, 2015 17:16
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Mo_Steel posted:Seriously. Every state has it's crazy, and that district is ours. At least we can hold onto that we didn't go for Reagan in his massive landslide. Also that we were awesome during the Civil War: How much has that area changed over the past 30-ish years anyway? Anoka went for Dukakis in 1988 but it's solid red now; has Twin Cities exurbia basically displaced the old DFL types?
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Rick_Hunter posted:This is exactly the poo poo that I had to deal with yesterday at work. If they're down, it's not his doing and it's just the market correcting itself or he's a politician and taking credit. If they're up, why doesn't Obama do something with his magical negro hands and the will of a nation? Or is he a commie/nazi/fascist/socialist/secret muslim/gay/racist/the antichrist that secretly wants to destroy Amurrka? My favorite is the "are you better off than you were 4 years ago" line that people around here spout. Actually, I'm doing pretty good seeing as I've increased my income 60% and am living by myself, but gently caress the government because you spent all your money buying gold and silver off of Fox News.
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Jan 30, 2015 17:42
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What the hell is with this super-not-racist-I-swear "blacks owned slaves too!!" thing that's going around? Trying to find any actual statistics just dumps me into a morass of right-wing echo chambers. Anyone know how widespread it was?
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CowHammer posted:What the hell is with this super-not-racist-I-swear "blacks owned slaves too!!" thing that's going around? slavery was a big thing back then and lots of people participated in it yeah. slavery as practiced by native americans was nothing like chattel slavery practiced by the white anglo dominated american economic system. as you can imagine there isn't a lot of statistical quantified knowledge about how pre-columbian native society worked, but generally you would be 'adopted' after some time in slavery and you were generally treated like a human being and not an economic asset but this image and the associated backlash are from highly uneducated people who suddenly, as adults, learn basic facts about history and decide that there must be some big conspiracy instead of the more reasonable explanation that they themselves are painfully shedding simple ignorance. "what we did not learn in school" is code language for "it's not my fault i didn't know about this until now". "nobody is talking about it" is code for "this subject isn't being blasted to me on my television in easily digestible chunks therefore it's entirely ignored". it's fun when people discover and grapple with elementary knowledge and decide that no, everyone else must be the incorrect parties, i cannot be wrong
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Here's an article on the subject from Henry Louis Gates: http://www.theroot.com/articles/history/2013/03/black_slave_owners_did_they_exist.html Short version: Yes, some free blacks owned slaves, but there's a lot of argument how many of them were slaveholders for exploitative economic reasons vs how many had managed to purchase an enslaved family member to protect them. EDIT: Also yes, slavery was a thing particularly among the Cherokee, but it's worth pointing out that they used Southern-style black chattel slavery because they were trying their damndest to become the kind of "civilized" society that the whites couldn't ignore, massacre, and exile, and in the South that included being slaveholders. Not that it helped, in the end. There's a lot of controversy in the Cherokee Nation over the citizenship of people descended from black slaves who consider themselves culturally Cherokee. Lemniscate Blue fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Jan 30, 2015 |
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The African Americans owning slaves? Not terribly. Certainly not the majority of Slave owners as looney toons there says. The Natives? Depends on the tribe and definition of slave. Also frankly irrelevant within the context of American chattel slavery because no one gave a poo poo what the Indians were doing until it was time to expand the frontier again. LOL at the"barbaric savages seduced the poor white folks into owning slaves" narrative. It's the only responsible reply.
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CowHammer posted:What the hell is with this super-not-racist-I-swear "blacks owned slaves too!!" thing that's going around? Every time American slavery gets brought up, this BS gets trotted out just to drag black people down to the same level. "BUT YOUSE GUYZ HAD SLAVES 2!!1!11" thinks that absolves them of the responsibility too.
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Vargatron posted:I mean gently caress it's so hard to live with this $1.87 a gallon gas and a shrinking unemployment rate. Why does Obama keep ruining this country? A lot of people in Oklahoma are actually legitimately mad about the low gas prices. One of the legacies of this state being the 'oil capitol of the world' in the early 20th Century is that, while the oil has mostly dried up, a lot of oil companies still do a lot of business here, with major offices or refineries or distribution centers located in the state and a lot of smaller support and infrastructure companies for the petroleum industry in this state. Oil employs a lot of people in Oklahoma - and the executives running those companies need to keep profits as high as possible while focusing their now-shrinking revenue on economic necessities, like giving themselves raises and vacations, which means they need to trim less-essential expenses, like paying their employees. We're already getting layoffs around here, and the people who aren't getting laid off can expect pay cuts and reduced hours. The people I've spoken to who have lost their jobs have almost universally blamed Obama or the government more generally, regardless of their political affiliation. No one thinks to blame the oil companies, who are shedding employees as fast as they can despite still posting substantial profits.
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Rick_Hunter posted:Every time American slavery gets brought up, this BS gets trotted out just to drag black people down to the same level. "BUT YOUSE GUYZ HAD SLAVES 2!!1!11" thinks that absolves them of the responsibility too. Don't forget trotting out how Morgan Freeman said he doesn't like the idea of "Black History Month" and that he said "The only way to stop racism is to stop talking about it". Of course the people trotting that out think that means that all these blacks need to stop whining about being called filthy ni**ers all the time.
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Mister Bates posted:A lot of people in Oklahoma are actually legitimately mad about the low gas prices. One of the legacies of this state being the 'oil capitol of the world' in the early 20th Century is that, while the oil has mostly dried up, a lot of oil companies still do a lot of business here, with major offices or refineries or distribution centers located in the state and a lot of smaller support and infrastructure companies for the petroleum industry in this state. Oil employs a lot of people in Oklahoma - and the executives running those companies need to keep profits as high as possible while focusing their now-shrinking revenue on economic necessities, like giving themselves raises and vacations, which means they need to trim less-essential expenses, like paying their employees. We're already getting layoffs around here, and the people who aren't getting laid off can expect pay cuts and reduced hours. The people I've spoken to who have lost their jobs have almost universally blamed Obama or the government more generally, regardless of their political affiliation. No one thinks to blame the oil companies, who are shedding employees as fast as they can despite still posting substantial profits. Please tell me the criticism was something to the effect of "I wish Obama and the government would have put in regulations to keep this kind of thing from happening".
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Crain posted:Don't forget trotting out how Morgan Freeman said he doesn't like the idea of "Black History Month" and that he said "The only way to stop racism is to stop talking about it". Never mind the fact that that's not the context. http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/blackhistory.asp https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeixtYS-P3s&t=29s Vargatron posted:Please tell me the criticism was something to the effect of "I wish Obama and the government would have put in regulations to keep this kind of thing from happening". Give them this: 
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JustWorld.txt right there. E: I have several co-workers who have trotted out the same tired line about "well black people owned slaves too" therefore chattel slavery in the American south was ok. Interestingly enough, calling them out and making them actually explain why they think it makes it ok or less reprehensible really makes them uncomfortable. It's easy to spot people who are reasonable yet cocoon themselves in the RW bubble. They only like talking about these topics surrounded by their dittohead peers. Get them outside that circle and they are shaky at best. Unzip and Attack fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Jan 30, 2015 |
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Unzip and Attack posted:JustWorld.txt right there. Exactly what I'm getting at.
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Some black people enslaved other black people = slavery wasn't so bad! Muslim terrorists mostly kill other Muslims = terrorism isn't so bad! Glad we got that straightened out. Now quit whining about the jihadist flag on my pickup, you assholes.
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King Dopplepopolos posted:Edit: Endlessly beaten. That'll teach me not to refresh before posting. Do people talk poo poo about Tammy Duckworth? I feel like she's untouchable being she's a double amputee from Iraq.
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Max Cleland was a triple amputee from 'Nam and he still lost because his chickenhawk shitstain Republican opponent questioned his patriotism.
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With the American Sniper stuff I usually just try and quote the review from Terminal Lance in that, while it's an exciting war movie that is technically accurate in its portrayals of combat tactics and environments and was fun to watch, the movie missed huge opportunities to address real issues.Terminal Lance posted:American Sniper is a movie that is presented to you in a classical American truth, that assumes it is correct. It doesn’t ask any questions, and it doesn’t invite you to ask any. There is a lot to be said about the Iraq war and a man who is famous for killing 160 (confirmed) people, but the film really chooses to say nothing about it at all. Instead of a morally complex and possibly even abrasive character that we know the real Chris Kyle was, Bradley Cooper plays him with a cuddly, teddy bear-like goodness that I’m not sure makes sense in the grand scheme of things.
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BatteredFeltFedora posted:Here's an article on the subject from Henry Louis Gates: http://www.theroot.com/articles/history/2013/03/black_slave_owners_did_they_exist.html This is the same guy who was arrested for trying to enter his own house, right?
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Jurgan posted:This is the same guy who was arrested for trying to enter his own house, right? Yup
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Mister Bates posted:A lot of people in Oklahoma are actually legitimately mad about the low gas prices. One of the legacies of this state being the 'oil capitol of the world' in the early 20th Century is that, while the oil has mostly dried up, a lot of oil companies still do a lot of business here, with major offices or refineries or distribution centers located in the state and a lot of smaller support and infrastructure companies for the petroleum industry in this state. Oil employs a lot of people in Oklahoma - and the executives running those companies need to keep profits as high as possible while focusing their now-shrinking revenue on economic necessities, like giving themselves raises and vacations, which means they need to trim less-essential expenses, like paying their employees. We're already getting layoffs around here, and the people who aren't getting laid off can expect pay cuts and reduced hours. The people I've spoken to who have lost their jobs have almost universally blamed Obama or the government more generally, regardless of their political affiliation. No one thinks to blame the oil companies, who are shedding employees as fast as they can despite still posting substantial profits. I'll bet you anything that most of these people were bitching Obama out for not expanding drilling back when the GOP was pushing for it, as well as laughing at all the dumb liberals who were opposed to fracking.
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Jurgan posted:This is the same guy who was arrested for trying to enter his own house, right? Which also gave rise to this goon edit of the various (terrible) polititoons about the situation: 
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Not doing commentary this week. I'm in a middle of nowhere town for the weekend, and renting this computer by the quarter hour. I'll quote and comment by phone if I can. This week in LL101!           quote:Frederick Young and his accomplice, Felando Hunter, robbed, tortured, and murdered Jourdan Bobbish and Jacob Kukla in Detroit in July 2012 as the teens were attempting to buy drugs.  quote:A potentially historic blizzard that could bring 3 feet of snow is barreling toward New York City — and officials are already warning that mass transit could be shut down before the Monday night rush, stranding millions. Not actually "If Global warming why cold", the title makes it clear this is worse. quote:Record blizzard to hit (blue) northeast…Wednesday’s high in (red) Oklahoma…74…coincidence?            quote:A squadron of 1,700 private jets are rumbling into Davos, Switzerland, this week to discuss global warming and other issues as the annual World Economic Forum gets underway.   quote:The winner of the 2005 Templeton prize, “awarded each year to a living person to encourage and honor those who advance spiritual matters, including research in love, creativity, purpose, infinity, intelligence, thanksgiving and prayer” has been announced. Oddly enough, to someone that Bell-labs, the Nobel Committee and even the Smithsonian Institute want to pretend is not even religious. In spite of including numerous details about Charles Townes, one of the inventors of the laser, each of these institutions censored the fact that Townes has always been an outspoken, and devout Christian.               quote:In control of Congress for the first time in eight years, Republicans are set to hold their first vote to repeal ObamaCare next week, Fox News has learned.
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Look at that human being president of ours, riding a bike like some sort of weak sissy. Not like Lord Reagan (pbuh). I totally saw him dress like a cowboy in a movie once. I'll bet that guy had manly as hell hobbies in his spare time. By the way, why does everybody keep claiming the GOP is misogynist? I have no idea where they get that idea.
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It's more that I accuse them of being dumb for opposing something that isn't actually happening. Mother Teresa: In addition to all of the horrible things about her, she apparently didn't understand what overpopulation is. Also, once people become adults she didn't really give a poo poo about whether they lived or died as long as they had enough godly suffering while it happened. The ACA is pretty typical of laws produced by our legislative process, and the President has been doing what he can to fix the problems with it. Therefore it's bad! Failing to scream sufficiently about how a government program is paid for by tax dollars: Exactly the same as lying.
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I mean, I'd kind of imagine that if somebody's got a knife on you, and you go for your gun, you're probably going to get stabbed anyway, but also man, this guy wouldn't die for his friends and family, jeez.
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Depending on the state, the man with the knife may be able to "stand his ground" and kill the guy with the gun.
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This is the best thing that takes that out of context: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9NSHVx6a7s
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quote:ahahahahaha yeah sure LL101 just keep telling yourselves that nobody knows who John Lennon or the Beatles are.
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This... I mean, yeah? This is 100% consistent belief and correct. Liberals believe no laws should be based on religion, Conservatives believe laws should be only based on a single religion.
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