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Glad to know our government knows how to best use our foreign aid. http://www.di.se/artiklar/2015/1/28/rosling-till-attack-mot-regeringen/
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Panniculus Rift posted:Lmao, I hadn't read that interview with Kallmyr. This is just too funny. The whole Krekar debacle has been very entertaining as well. As a whole this government is devolving into a sad, but hilarious punchline. Let FRP in, they said. Let them show what they can accomplish, they said. Well now we know. They can embarass themselves, the country and the people who voted for them. While FRP is debating amongst themselves about whether or not human rights are a thing, Høyre is busy selling off the people's assets piecemeal to foreign investors out of sheer loving spite and ideology and instituting the most vile, despicable piece of legislation concerning worker's rights this country has seen in well over half a century. I need a drink.
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H is also going face-first with the whole privatisation thing. They managed Telenor, which was on the block even with a (pure, minority) AP government, and are getting stymied in Kongsberg etc. The hilarious thing is that they're really quite bad at doing much of anything;, even being worse at neoliberalism than Labour. It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.
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Panniculus Rift posted:Lmao, I hadn't read that interview with Kallmyr. This is just too funny. The whole Krekar debacle has been very entertaining as well. Spreaking of Krekar. quote:Justisminister Anders Anundsen hevder hardnakket at instruksen om tvangsflytting for ureturnerbare utlendinger er generell, og ikke rettet mot en enkeltsak som mulla Krekars. Men nå har NRK har fått tilgang på interne dokumenter som viser at han ønsket det motsatte.
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As a deport friendly voter i am not happy with Anudsen. If this goverment manages to screw up the extradition treaty we have with Afghanistan this refugee problem is going to be a lot harder to solve. It`s almost like the goverment only cares about short term sucess that plays well to their voters without any regard for the future. Either Frp is incompetent or they refuse to acknlowgede reality. Frp just has to do one thing rigth to make their voters happy and they almost managed to gently caress it up. Thank you BT for saving the future of Norwegian immigration policy.
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It would be so hilarious if FrP's gung-ho immigration policies mean we end up getting stuck with a bunch of Afghan criminals running around. And by hilarious, I mean comically tragic
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Every article in this thread is in moon language 
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http://www.dn.se/nyheter/politik/kds-hela-partistyrelse-staller-sina-platser-till-forfogande/ It's happening, it's loving happening. The entire top of KD bowing out simultaneously leaving the party ripe for the picking for the conservative side was pretty much the worse way this could have played out. All I want is confirmation from anyone that Ebba Busch isn't becoming a mainstay in swedish politics, that all I'm asking for. She can have Uppsala, no one wants Uppsala, it's hell on earth and it's what she deserves, just keep her far away from everything I love. dorkasaurus_rex posted:Every article in this thread is in moon language men nog om danskarna 
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Written Swedish is pretty easy to learn for English speakers, maybe you should pick up a new hobby? Also Google actually does a pretty decent job of translating Swedish so there's that option too.
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Hey we don't want Busch in Uppsala either. >=(
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The presently Goldman Sachs-controlled public energy company, DONG Energy, has now taken to blackmailing the Danish government, less than a year after the controversial sale that anyone with a functioning brain argued against. They were told that they couldn't raise energy prices to pad their profits, so they've asked for more subsidies instead, otherwise the grid might begin to experience outages. "Nice infrastructure you have there. It would be a shame if anything happened to it." You really have to wonder how much poo poo the public will stand for before clamouring for blood. Probably a whole lot at this rate. It will be interesting to see how Bain Capital will mangle Nets in the coming months, what with them now effectively controlling all online banking, access to tax records, all communication between state and citizens and so on. In other, completely unrelated news, every tenth public school teacher has quit their job following the recent reform. This is on top of all those that were laid off in its wake. The profession has become so unpopular that some believe they won't be able to replace those that left. But there's always private schools, right?
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Panniculus Rift posted:Lmao, I hadn't read that interview with Kallmyr. This is just too funny. The whole Krekar debacle has been very entertaining as well.   
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Wow, I thought this one was a photoshop until I GIS'ed it. What a nice man.
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The editor of Bergens Tidene wrote a salty op-ed about Jørgen Kallmyr. http://www.bt.no/meninger/kommentar/steiro/Kallmyrs-kortslutning-3292235.html 
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Captain Scandinaiva posted:Wow, I thought this one was a photoshop until I GIS'ed it. What a nice man. Not as nice as you think. He took the carpet with him 
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SplitSoul posted:The presently Goldman Sachs-controlled public energy company, DONG Energy, has now taken to blackmailing the Danish government, less than a year after the controversial sale that anyone with a functioning brain argued against. They were told that they couldn't raise energy prices to pad their profits, so they've asked for more subsidies instead, otherwise the grid might begin to experience outages. Speaking generally, just thinking about scandinavia and recent history as a whole - is anyone in this thread surprised about the sudden shift towards right-wing politics? Was any of this really preventable? Was there any realistic chance that social democracy and the ideals, principles and solidarity generated from an era of hardships could survive neo-capitalistic greed? Survive the scandinavian baby-boomers? Nah, this was always inevitable, I think. I certainly saw it coming, but apart from my vote there's really fuckall I can do so long as people are dumb enough to vote against their own best interest. Yeah, yeah, voter apathy just makes everything worse as well, but what can you realistically do? The momentum and power of the neo-capitalist market liberalist politics isn't something that seemingly can be stopped. Even with the objectively worst government Norway has had for decades, a goddamned discrace to our country, they will still be gathering plenty of votes next election. Makes me want to study political and social science just so I'd be able to understand it a little bit better.
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Nice piece of fish posted:Makes me want to study political and social science just so I'd be able to understand it a little bit better. Prepare to be bedazzled by older neoliberal professors heading lectures and younger marxist post-graduate students handling the seminars of the very same course. I don't think social commentary can get any more blatant than that.
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Social democrats are doomed to fail because they leave the economic power of society in the hands of people who want them gone. Then people act surprised when the dudes with the money inevitably coopt the social democratic parties and turn them into neoliberalism with a human face.
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Cerebral Bore posted:Social democrats are doomed to fail because they leave the economic power of society in the hands of people who want them gone. Then people act surprised when the dudes with the money inevitably coopt the social democratic parties and turn them into neoliberalism with a human face. Neoliberalism has been a trend in every modern democracy since the second saudi oil crisis so I think it's more than a little naive to place blame on one of hundreds of political parties that got swept along with it. I think it's telling that the US has been gradually distancing itself from all of it ever since the 2008 crisis while the parts of the EU that didn't crash in 2011 are doubling down.
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Xoidanor posted:Neoliberalism has been a trend in every modern democracy since the second saudi oil crisis so I think it's more than a little naive to place blame on one of hundreds of political parties that got swept along with it. I think it's telling that the US has been gradually distancing itself from all of it ever since the 2008 crisis while the parts of the EU that didn't crash in 2011 are doubling down.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Doesn't seem like Cerebral Bore was laying the blame at the feet of a single party, rather the social democratic movement as a whole. Still, it seems like an overly simple explanation to a relatively complex issue. I'm always hesitant to merely accept those, even if they provide reasoning that's hard to argue against. While I don't think he's wrong, I also think there's more to it than that. It's something I'd like to understand a lot better, at any rate - it's easy to throw up your hands and just go home when confronted with the sheer loving idiocy of some current political figures.
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Nice piece of fish posted:Still, it seems like an overly simple explanation to a relatively complex issue. I'm always hesitant to merely accept those, even if they provide reasoning that's hard to argue against. While I don't think he's wrong, I also think there's more to it than that. It's something I'd like to understand a lot better, at any rate - it's easy to throw up your hands and just go home when confronted with the sheer loving idiocy of some current political figures.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:I'm hesitant to call a problem complex simply because overcoming is difficult. complex [adj., v. kuh m-pleks, kom-pleks; n. kom-pleks] adjective 1. composed of many interconnected parts; compound; composite: a complex highway system. 2. characterized by a very complicated or involved arrangement of parts, units, etc.: complex machinery. 3. so complicated or intricate as to be hard to understand or deal with: a complex problem. 
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Nice piece of fish posted:Speaking generally, just thinking about scandinavia and recent history as a whole - is anyone in this thread surprised about the sudden shift towards right-wing politics? Was any of this really preventable? Was there any realistic chance that social democracy and the ideals, principles and solidarity generated from an era of hardships could survive neo-capitalistic greed? Survive the scandinavian baby-boomers? What really scares me, re. neoliberal poo poo, is the ongoing TTIP negotiations that we don't hear jack poo poo about. The media has hardly covered any of it, and everything is done behind closed doors. This potential treaty could do some serious damage to our and other european countries' welfare system. On top of that, we have a government that has a very realistic possibility of royally loving it up for us permanently, since the treaty bases itself on a "report it on signing or lose it" basis, meaning that anything future governments should do to mitigate any damage done by these knuckle-dragging boneheads could end up in a very expensive lawsuit since it could "harm future profits" for some piece of poo poo fortune 500 company. ulvir fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Jan 30, 2015 |
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Xoidanor posted:3.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:That sentence doesn't work both ways. Just because something is hard to deal with does not mean it's complicated or intricate. If we're nitpicking, I didn't say or imply this: A Buttery Pastry posted:I'm hesitant to call a problem complex simply because overcoming is difficult. I said the issue is complex. I didn't say why or how. I did say that as a general rule, readily accepting simple explanations isn't smart. It's certainly tempting, but reality is never simple - so simple answers lead to "simple" solutions that don't work or make the problem worse.
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Nice piece of fish posted:If we're nitpicking, I didn't say or imply this: Nice piece of fish posted:I said the issue is complex. I didn't say why or how. Nice piece of fish posted:I did say that as a general rule, readily accepting simple explanations isn't smart. It's certainly tempting, but reality is never simple - so simple answers lead to "simple" solutions that don't work or make the problem worse.
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I shudder to think what the coming, nominally right-wing government will to do make things even worse. There's no way an idiot like Thorning can turn the ship around in time, if she even has any interest in doing so, and the Social Liberals are polling really low as well. I admit the differences are very subtle at this point, at least compared to Fogh's terms in office, but who knows what the gently caress they'll get up to when in power, especially with the Danish People's Party involved and the votes they've been pulling lately. The Unity List isn't really making any headway convincing anybody with their steady rightward drift, either. Gonna be ugly, tell you what.
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So what you're all saying is we should be hoping for another Great European war which we can sit in the sidelines and watch while "neutral" and profit from both sides?
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RajCooper posted:So what you're all saying is we should be hoping for another Great European war which we can sit in the sidelines and watch while "neutral" and profit from both sides? It's the scandinavian way.     Though some may be better at it than others.
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Nice piece of fish posted:Speaking generally, just thinking about scandinavia and recent history as a whole - is anyone in this thread surprised about the sudden shift towards right-wing politics? Was any of this really preventable? Maybe, perhaps. The current total disembowelment of Scandinavian countries welfare comes from the social democrats themselves. During the economic crisis in the 90's and the fall of the Soviet Union, most Social democratic parties became convinced that their idea of slowly reforming society into a socialist state (as every party had in their party manifesto at that time) was wrong and would never work. That, and in turn with rising support for capitalism became the ground for the "Third way socialism". An ideology most characterized of parties not pulling to the left. Instead, social democrats would just be a slow resistance for the reformation towards capitalism, and a speed bump for neo liberalism. Who would have guessed that this would lead to all parties pulling towards the middle? Social Democratic parties are ideology dead, they have no central idea to base their thoughts on. Then again, the promise from the right that lower taxes and selling all of our welfare will rise all ships seems more and more ridiculous to the common man every year. And total voter apathy sets in because every single party except the far left sings "THE FREE MARKET WILL SAVE US" at various volumes... Hopefully we can see some new parties rising that are not are not populist racist parties. If Greece is any model, first you get some fascists shitheels, then your Social Democratic and rightwing parties collapse, then you get a new left who might be marginally better.
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RajCooper posted:So what you're all saying is we should be hoping for another Great European war which we can sit in the sidelines and watch while "neutral" and profit from both sides?
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Nice piece of fish posted:Speaking generally, just thinking about scandinavia and recent history as a whole - is anyone in this thread surprised about the sudden shift towards right-wing politics? Was any of this really preventable? Was there any realistic chance that social democracy and the ideals, principles and solidarity generated from an era of hardships could survive neo-capitalistic greed? Survive the scandinavian baby-boomers? Well, if S and M had continued with their traditional immigration politics, the so--called "right wing" party wouldn't have become a problem. Also, S have in their entire history catered to the middle and kept the commies short. What happened recently was more M triangulating S, than any major shift in politics. White Rock posted:Maybe, perhaps. The current total disembowelment of Scandinavian countries welfare comes from the social democrats themselves. During the economic crisis in the 90's and the fall of the Soviet Union, most Social democratic parties became convinced that their idea of slowly reforming society into a socialist state (as every party had in their party manifesto at that time) was wrong and would never work. Well, the 90s crisis was a direct consequence of the S politics during the 70s and 80s. You are aware we had at least 2 devaluations of the Swedish crown in this time frame. White Rock posted:Social Democratic parties are ideology dead, they have no central idea to base their thoughts on. Then again, the promise from the right that lower taxes and selling all of our welfare will rise all ships seems more and more ridiculous to the common man every year. And total voter apathy sets in because every single party except the far left sings "THE FREE MARKET WILL SAVE US" at various volumes... That is what happens when you turn the labour class into middle class. S won and thereby lost their ideology. So good work I guess.
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Cardiac posted:Well, if S and M had continued with their traditional immigration politics, the so--called "right wing" party wouldn't have become a problem. HEY maybe it's not all about immigration Cardiac posted:That is what happens when you turn the labour class into middle class. S won and thereby lost their ideology. So good work I guess. Well, this is a better analysis. Kinda. I agree that the problem is the middle class, really. Back in the 50's and 60's Sweden, the middle class was generally only one or two generations away from poverty or subsistence farming. It remembered what it was like to be poor, and solidarity actually meant something. However, when you get a large class of people who are very used to having some measure of wealth and aren't poor or unemployed but feel that they have good reasons to fear that they might someday become so, then you will almost certainly get a right-wing populist movement (the usual "fear of falling" stuff). If you look at what what SD is actually talking about other than the ranting about the muslims and beggars, it's all about safety, and a very specific kind of safety at that. Be harsher on crime, more money to the police, that kind of stuff. The middle class feels that its hands are clean, that economic problems are someone else's fault, and that it needs to look to its own interests. The middle class does not care about solidarity, because it fears losing its privileges. The immigrants are really not relevant as such, they're just a convenient scapegoat. If we look at the bigger picture the actual source of the problem is capitalism itself, and I don't see that going away soon. Additionally, the other big thing about right-wing populism is the belief that society is just a façade. The politicians are all lying, journalists are all either lying or incompetent, our tax money just goes to waste because the bureaucracy is full of embezzlers, there's no point in buying environment-friendly goods because the manufacturers just cheat the inspections. I don't really know where this belief comes from but it's getting increasingly common and almost every kind of left-wing argument can be handwaved away using this kind of logic. A recommended link: http://copyriot.se/2015/01/30/k168-pegida-och-mittenextremismen/ TheFluff fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Jan 31, 2015 |
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