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Phlegmish posted:Any economic growth figures on January out yet? World Bank: Russia's Monthly Economic Developments for Jan 2015 (posted in the middle of January though) More detailed version behind the pdf link on that page tl;dr version: 
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sum posted:Look I don't have any evidence per se that the following video is authentic but it fits right loving in with the other gross stuff Russia has been doing Notice that I said I didn't want to believe it and didn't actually believe it? Because I'm giving the benefit of the doubt? The evidence we have is a Ukrainian government official stating that the Russians were cremating their soldiers in mobile vans. Until I get something more solid I'm inclined to call it BS. Good job overreacting and lumping me in without knowing a damned thing, though!
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Jan 31, 2015 01:41
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sum posted:Hahahahaha you guys are loving insane Yeah, I mean burning bodies would just be TOO MUCH for Russia. Killing thousands, executing POWs, waging dirty wars inside its neighbors while simply denying it - perfectly reasonable. Cremating bodies of the dead soldiers it denies the existence of - too much!
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Jan 31, 2015 01:50
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Mightypeon posted:Meanwhile, that there is mass draft avoidance has also arrived in the western media. Any credence in the story that the LNR are trying to "revive" museum aircraft? http://rusvesna.su/news/1421520338
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Jan 31, 2015 02:04
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Dilkington posted:Any credence in the story that the LNR are trying to "revive" museum aircraft?
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Jan 31, 2015 02:26
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Warbadger posted:Yeah, I mean burning bodies would just be TOO MUCH for Russia. Killing thousands, executing POWs, waging dirty wars inside its neighbors while simply denying it - perfectly reasonable. Cremating bodies of the dead soldiers it denies the existence of - too much! Honestly, what truth we already know for sure is bad enough, where Russia is sending soldiers in secret to die in an unjust war and claiming they died in "training accidents". Did they actually go ahead and offer those soldiers who mysteriously died the benefits of soldiers who died in combat? Wasn't there some crackdown on a soldiers' mothers organization for demanding answers? I think I recall them being named an agent of foreign powers or something.
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Jan 31, 2015 02:36
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kalstrams posted:Isn't this the same one that got bombed a day or two ago? That's not what actually got bombed, I think --- it seems it was some other place South East of Donetsk.
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Jan 31, 2015 02:41
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Warbadger posted:Yeah, I mean burning bodies would just be TOO MUCH for Russia. Killing thousands, executing POWs, waging dirty wars inside its neighbors while simply denying it - perfectly reasonable. Cremating bodies of the dead soldiers it denies the existence of - too much! Yeah because that's a crazy allegation based on next to no evidence and your argument is predicated on exactly the kind of logic that makes people believe in FEMA death camps and stuff
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Jan 31, 2015 02:42
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sum posted:Does the reflex to defend the Ukrainian government no matter what turn off the parts of your brain that do critical thinking or what sum posted:Yeah because that's a crazy allegation based on next to no evidence and your argument is predicated on exactly the kind of logic that makes people believe in FEMA death camps and stuff Based on sum's post history in this thread, I think it's safe to operate under the tentative assumption that he or she is attempting to troll.
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Jan 31, 2015 02:44
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Dilkington posted:Any credence in the story that the LNR are trying to "revive" museum aircraft? Didn't they do the same thing with some old tanks? Apparently the military utility of a revived museum piece tank is pretty low, however, and I can see airplanes having the same problem.
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Jan 31, 2015 02:46
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Dolash posted:Wasn't there some crackdown on a soldiers' mothers organization for demanding answers? I think I recall them being named an agent of foreign powers or something. The 200-something, or something-200 group? They were seen as a joke, and ridiculously overestimated Russian deaths. Supposedly. Supposedly.
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Jan 31, 2015 03:08
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sum posted:Look I don't have any evidence per se that the following video is authentic but it fits right loving in with the other gross stuff Russia has been doing AHAHAH lol conspiracy!? REPTILLIANS!!! MONKEY CHEESE!
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Jan 31, 2015 03:10
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OddObserver posted:That's not what actually got bombed, I think --- it seems it was some other place South East of Donetsk.  StandardVC10 posted:Didn't they do the same thing with some old tanks? Apparently the military utility of a revived museum piece tank is pretty low, however, and I can see airplanes having the same problem. Though, regarding aviation, pro-separatists resources tend to reports conflicting matters. This (or here), the one posted by Dilkington earlier on, and this - they all contradict to a certain degree, and so do Ukrainian reports (with regards to separatists' claims, not them selves).
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Jan 31, 2015 03:15
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kalstrams posted:Thing is, Soviets preserved, some of the tanks, very well. I am far from certain it extrapolates well to airplanes. On the other hand, contrary to restored T-34s, SU-100s and so on, planes claimed are fairly recent - it is being said of one Su-25 being repaired currently somewhere in LPR, and of plans to remake a few L-29 Delfins into ground attack planes. Some other guy, literally paragraph later, says that every operation is already completed. Also, they mention some helicopters, but no details. The point of contention would be, if the separatists have aircraft, where are they launching and maintaining them from? I'm pretty sure you can't wheel a Su-25 or L-29 to a roadway and have it fuel up, takeoff, or even land reliably (since roadways are the worst places to land). Likely, any separatist air support would be taking off from Russia. Young Freud fucked around with this message at 03:41 on Jan 31, 2015 |
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Jan 31, 2015 03:34
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kalstrams posted:I am confused then, since this and this seem to imply that Ukrainians destroyed some LPR's aviation, namely - 1 L-39, 4 Mi-24s. They also claim damages dealt to 2 AN-2s, 1 Yak-52 and 2 Yak-50, which plays fairly well with museum story. However, I then am confused about L-29 and L-39 - like, which one then? There were some reports that it was at this spot: https://www.google.com.ua/maps/plac...82e0a665c071ed4 (At least e.g.:  )Perhaps that's wrong, though, hard to confirm this sort of thing unless someone actually visits the site. Also, we all know that "being restored" usually means a fresh one will be shipped over from Russia.
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Jan 31, 2015 03:39
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Discendo Vox posted:Based on sum's post history in this thread, I think it's safe to operate under the tentative assumption that he or she is attempting to troll. Are you seriously saying that only a troll would find the idea of secret Russian crematoriums hidden in aid trucks laughable?
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Jan 31, 2015 03:54
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sum posted:Are you seriously saying that only a troll would find the idea of secret Russian crematoriums hidden in aid trucks laughable? hello, fellow troll.
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Jan 31, 2015 04:03
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Young Freud posted:The point of contention would be, if the separatists have aircraft, where are they launching and maintaining them from? I'm pretty sure you can't wheel a Su-25 or L-29 to a roadway and have it fuel up, takeoff, or even land reliably (since roadways are the worst places to land). Likely, any separatist air support would be taking off from Russia. OddObserver posted:There were some reports that it was at this spot: Brown Moses, maybe you have some more idea about this?
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Jan 31, 2015 04:18
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Is there something warranting a strong position on the notion Russia's locally cremating slain
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Jan 31, 2015 04:18
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Seems like Poe's Law is pretty applicable to Putin's Russia.
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Jan 31, 2015 04:28
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Paging Brown Moses to figure out what's going on with the mobile crematoriums.
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Jan 31, 2015 04:59
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sum posted:Yeah because that's a crazy allegation based on next to no evidence and your argument is predicated on exactly the kind of logic that makes people believe in FEMA death camps and stuff And that has nothing to do with whether it would be at all surprising if the allegation in question were true, which is all anyone here has said. Based on the actions of Russia in this conflict it would not at all be surprising if this (like many of the other allegations of awful poo poo done) actually turned out to be true.
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Jan 31, 2015 05:10
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Mobile crematora from Russia to Ukraine? http://www.nrcu.gov.ua/en/148/588439/ quote:Russia deploys seven "mobile military crematoriums" in Donetsk region to burn killed Russian soldiers - Security Service http://www.unian.info/war/1037693-sbu-bodies-of-russian-soldiers-burned-in-mobile-crematoria.html quote:The bodies of the Russian soldiers killed in the Donbas conflict zone are being burned in mobile crematoriums by order of the General Staff of Russia, Chairman of the Security Service of Ukraine Valentyn Nalyvaichenko said on Wednesday on Ukrainian television’s 5th Channel, according to Ukrainian online newspaper Ukrainska Pravda. Those are from two days ago. Here's a story from September. https://twitter.com/stateofukraine/status/507520095665786880 There's even a video on that twitter link. The video is from 2013. Here's another article stating the same thing. Published two days ago. http://ukrainiancrisis.net/news/7571 And here's that same video from August 2013 from that twitter link rehosted in November of 2014. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsJort1d7mU Is this really happening? Who knows, but a story repeated on several news websites and rehosted videos so far are all we've got. Every other crazy story we've scoffed at about the Russians however eventually do seem to become reality. It's something that popped up a couple of days ago, it's not the first time the Ukrainians have claimed Russia is doing this.
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Jan 31, 2015 05:12
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Mobile crematora from Russia to Ukraine? LOL LOOK AT YOU CONSPIRACY THEORIST LOL
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Jan 31, 2015 05:39
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I know people who still believe Iraqi did 9/11 because they don't want to look like conspiracy theorists.
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Jan 31, 2015 05:42
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Accretionist posted:I know people who still believe Iraqi did 9/11 because they don't want to look like conspiracy theorists. American Sniper does this for them.
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Jan 31, 2015 05:42
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Accretionist posted:Is there something warranting a strong position on the notion Russia's locally cremating slain Except of course people haven't seen those crematoriums, but have seen and geolocated a frigging Pantsir S-1 in Makeevka --- an advanced Russian AA system which Ukraine doesn't have.
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Jan 31, 2015 05:55
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kalstrams posted:I think there is some fairly uncontested airfield in Luhansk oblast, but I am not certain, nor do I know if, in case it does exist, it is in workable condition, and sufficient for jets mentioned. There are two (presumably) undamaged Airfields in Luhansk that seem to have avoided the fighting, the old one at the aviation museum (2140 meter runway) and the Luhansk int. Airport(2910 meter runway) These are both large enough for pretty much any plane at the museum. Even the TU-95 could probably make it off the ground at the museum and without a doubt at the airport, though I don't know why they'd need a intercontinental bomber. Not that this matters because from images on this blog http://fulbright-scholarship-luhansk-ukraine.blogspot.com/p/luhansk-aviation-museum.html the planes seem to be in bone-yard condition, many seem completely stripped. Besides two An-2's that are operated by the museum. That being said a bet some coal miner turned hero of the motherland will repair one of those MiG-21's using farm equipment and old newspapers.
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Jan 31, 2015 05:59
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The liveleak video shows the hardware exists and operates out of a nondescript truck. It would also make sense to operate them on the Russian side of the border, rather than right on the front lines.
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Jan 31, 2015 06:03
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Has Russia come up with some hilarious excuse for the Pantsir? As people have said, it's not something Ukraine ever had, it's something only Russia sells so.... I'm guessing just "lol what Pantsir?"
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Jan 31, 2015 07:14
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"Pantsir?? I barely knowing of her!" at every press conference where the issue came up.
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Jan 31, 2015 07:25
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It's a counterfeit made by the homonazis to discredit brave honorable Russia.
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Jan 31, 2015 08:22
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0-PrLzf5ps Russian Roulette -- Dispatch 89
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Jan 31, 2015 09:20
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Warbadger posted:If the rebels actually threw 30+ tanks into an operation it would be entirely feasible for them to be lost in a poorly conceived attack. Driving in a convoy and ending up bunched up on a road during an ambush/artillery barrage, for example. And then we'd have *plenty* of photographic evidence to back that claim up. But we don't. Much like those "entire companies" wiped out attacking the airport claims, and a when an ukrainian Brown Moses photo-dude goes through every photo he can find to ID Russian tanks used in the conflicts he can confirm... 3 destroyed tanks in total, most/all at the airport. Also, if the rebels were actually tossing around tank battalions like it was going out of style we'd have bigger numbers of losses on the ukrainian side than the "3-4-5-6 per day" claims.
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Jan 31, 2015 09:48
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Clearly the pantzir is on vacation, whatever it does on its free time is none of your business. Also lol @ crematorium conspiracy. The same poo poo was spewed by separatists about half a year ago, evil Junta and its mobile evidence burners etc. Makes much more sense when Putin does it though, right?
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Jan 31, 2015 10:40
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Are there no shovels in Russia and the Ukraine?
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Jan 31, 2015 10:49
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I would imagine it sucks to dig holes in the middle of winter.
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Jan 31, 2015 10:56
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blainestereo posted:Clearly the pantzir is on vacation, whatever it does on its free time is none of your business. There's a lower threshold when it comes to believing all the weird poo poo that Russia does. Primarily due to their previous actions. If a country goes all "no comrade, we're not in Ukraine" while actively sending troops there, then it's more believable that they are also capable of reprehensible poo poo like mobile crematoriums. Even if that's not the case.
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Jan 31, 2015 10:59
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Shovels are just not evil enough, see.
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There is a lot of land in Donetsk region to dump and bury bodies, which would take about the same amount of time as setting up "mobile crematoriums". Not to mention the constant stream of humanitarian convoys to actually get the bodies out.
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