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Cyron posted:Personal attacks, bullshit, giant mental breakdown for all to see
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Jan 31, 2015 04:38
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Jsor posted:Lawful characters get the opposite problem. They're wary of disorder and think that toppling a government will only lead to suffering. They'd prefer to try to lawfully change the leader, or remove inequity. In some ways, most people are inherently lawful. This doesn't necessarily mean they'll gleefully be an executioner just because the law says so, but it does mean that their first idea to reform the lovely military is probably going to be "put in a lot of years of effort to become a general and enact the reform from within." Remind me of general nazgrim in world of warcraft, he was always a ally to you on the horde side but became a raid boss in Siege of orgammer Since he did a life oath to the warcheif when he more or less turn into a psycho. he was always good just remain loyal to the leader to the end.
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Jan 31, 2015 04:41
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Cyron posted:go put it on your twitter so your yesmen of fans can cheer you on. E: Sorry didn't see that the discussion had moved on achillesforever6 fucked around with this message at 04:49 on Jan 31, 2015 |
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Jan 31, 2015 04:42
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bad post ignore me.
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Jan 31, 2015 04:51
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Cyron posted:Becuase not liking you mean i am sexist. didn't you make fun of the mentally ill? No, I never have made fun of the mentally ill and I never did screw over this Nash person, and I never did all the other tired lies the LK Mafia likes to sling around about me, but I can't tell you what a relief it is to have your respect. Really had me worried there for a while, edge of my seat wondering what you thought of all the hilariously untrue rumors you could only have heard about me through one of the filthiest cesspools of an internet community in existence. Cyron posted:bad post ignore me. It's cool. Might as well edit all of your past posts with this too tbf. Jay O fucked around with this message at 04:58 on Jan 31, 2015 |
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Jan 31, 2015 04:52
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I remember someone had a really good idea for a Lawful Good paladin in a TG thread that somewhat boiled down to him being a lot more jolly and not the typical stick-up-the-rear end sort.Tactical Bonnet posted:I need more amazing art from the amazing people in this amazing thread: Tactical Bonnet posted:The DM made a statement about the monotheistic god of my paladin's religion actually being a good god who's followers are just basically trying to make the world a better place. My plan is basically to spin it into a priest who used to run an orphanage (basically a youth pastor), but for whatever reason (probably something to do with the holy war in the neighboring countries) decides he needs to take a "more active" role in the happenings of the world around him.
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Jan 31, 2015 04:53
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Jay O posted:No, I never have made fun of the mentally ill and I never did screw over this Nash person, and I never did all the other tired lies the LK Mafia likes to sling around about me, but I can't tell you what a relief it is to have your respect. Really had me worried there for a while, edge of my seat wondering what you thought of all the hilariously untrue rumors you could only have heard about me through one of the filthiest cesspools of an internet community in existence. i was pissed off about poo poo, i won't say i am sorry becuase at this point it meaningless. this whole thing pisses me off. quote:It's cool. Might as well edit all of your past posts with this too tbf. Someone will put it in my avatar, it will save the work. Cyron fucked around with this message at 05:03 on Jan 31, 2015 |
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Jan 31, 2015 05:00
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Mutation posted:Did you know that Boyhood took twelve years to make? Is that more or less time than the Channel Awesome Game Show?
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Jan 31, 2015 05:18
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These past few pages made me sad for a lot of reasons.  Can we please let GamerGate die the death it deserves? I know we all feel very strongly about this, but I don't think this kind of vitriol is necessary. It just hurts everyone. I know I sound like a mom, but please just be nice. I reckon the overwhelming majority of people here are good folks, but a sour topic makes for sour conversation and people saying things otherwise would not. Can we just make it a rule that GamerGate cannot be discussed here anymore? Fake edit: Previous guy had the right idea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLKZtppbm_Q
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Jan 31, 2015 05:21
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I should see boyhood, i heard it was made over the coarse of 12 years.Beefstew posted:These past few pages made me sad for a lot of reasons. the overall issue is that gamergate is intertwine with internet critics. people stand for or against it, talk about it all the time on twitter or make it a subject on a video. people like ainta are almost married to the subject just due to it nature. I think we did try to make it only a subject if it a subject to a video but it been a hot subject for the last 6 months. Cyron fucked around with this message at 05:28 on Jan 31, 2015 |
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Jan 31, 2015 05:22
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"Can we all stop talking about GamerGate?" "Sure, but first the point I want to make about GamerGate is [fifteen paragraph mouthfart]"
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Jan 31, 2015 05:35
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Errant Signal posted a new video about the debate (or lack thereof) between narrative and gameplay in games: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBN3R0m31bA
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Jan 31, 2015 05:41
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Mraagvpeine posted:Sorry, but who's Nash? In the 80s and early 90s cop shows decided that they needed to be all dramatic and poo poo. Over time people got tired of that and shows like Walker Texas Ranger and Nash Bridges were made. Shows that would have an episode about fighting a grizly in the wild with your white guy native American mystic, but totally 100% Jesus loving Christian, white guy karate moves. Or in the case of Nash Bridges try and pretend that Miami Vice would totally be cool if it were about middle aged guys tooling around San Fransisco, totally not too old for this poo poo, but man it's close. Staring Cheech Marin, a yellow 1970 Plymouth Barracuda, and Don Johnson as Nash Bridges. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r24aIEnOGc0 Also there were lots of hot ladies on the show, which I was quite keen on being a teenager at the time.
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Jan 31, 2015 05:44
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Jsor posted:Yeah. No. Don't apologize. You keep apologizing every time you shitpost and everyone piles on you, but then (and here's the key) you keep doing it. Half the time about the same three topics! Don't apologize if you're not gonna learn anything. At the very least, I think you would have learned by now that 90% of the visitors of this thread vehemently disagree with you and you're just gonna get a pile-on again. Basic pattern recognition or something. I think this highlights the arguments people make about the D&D alignment system. I've actually been watching the older Counter Monkey videos, and Spoony's brought up alignment here and here (albeit not as the focus in the second example). I can't remember if it was in one the videos I posted, or another video altogether, but something he touched on is that alignment shouldn't necessarily be a restriction, but more of a guideline.
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Jan 31, 2015 05:55
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Jsor posted:
I found this to be a very odd video to watch. It's probably Spoony's direct complaining to the viewer about them never wanting to play lawful characters. Like saying, "Why do YOU always complain about this??" and being lectured about why you are wrong for not doing this. I don't know, it just feels off but to be fair I don't really watch Spoony videos besides the few recommended in here so maybe that's just his style.
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Jan 31, 2015 06:17
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Heroic Yoshimitsu posted:I found this to be a very odd video to watch. It's probably Spoony's direct complaining to the viewer about them never wanting to play lawful characters. Like saying, "Why do YOU always complain about this??" and being lectured about why you are wrong for not doing this. I don't know, it just feels off but to be fair I don't really watch Spoony videos besides the few recommended in here so maybe that's just his style. Spoony belittles his fans pretty often, it's nothing new.
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Jan 31, 2015 06:19
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Tracula posted:Spoony belittles his fans pretty often, it's nothing new. Also that Shadows of Mordor controversy on Joe's video is some bullshit, I he really hits the nail on the head for that one.
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Jan 31, 2015 06:51
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I always saw the Law/Chaos spectrum as not necessarily literally following laws but having an ordered way of looking at the world. A Lawful character believes in systems and codes of conduct. I don't think a Lawful Good character would be bound to uphold the laws of a Lawful Evil society. Even if this wasn't the intent of D&D's creators, I think it works better in actual practice.
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Jan 31, 2015 06:57
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To be honest, alignment systems are sort of dumb since at best people ignore/reinvent them and at worst people use them as character building guides (or worse, the GM enforces them as character guides)
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Jan 31, 2015 07:05
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It's the even-nerdier Myers Briggs test!
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Jan 31, 2015 07:19
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These men are PAWNS.
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Jan 31, 2015 07:31
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Cyron posted:I should see boyhood, i heard it was made over the coarse of 12 years. wait what happened to this Cyron posted:i am done with this thread for a bit, i am going to a place where people are nicer to you for not agreeing with them like North Koria where i am sure the only thing close to gamergate is making a gate into a sport. can't you at least stick to your word
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Jan 31, 2015 07:45
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Gyges posted:The worst thing about gamergate is that I'm a Stargate dork and every time I see it a small part of my brain claps like a 5 year old and smiles about traveling to other worlds through games. Way to ruin that with misogyny and general dickery, internet. Does Deflategate make you feel the same way?
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Jan 31, 2015 07:50
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Tony Zhau put out a couple more videos, focusing on shapes within a scene and shapes on the actual screen. It's simple stuff but works wonders at making a film more watchable. Also, I know most reviewers here stick with the typical, static mugshot for the bulk of a video review's runtime, but for skits and stuff, how do you guys plan your camera work and scenes? I'm specifically thinking of Kyle's stuff right now, like Melancholia and Beauty and the Beast, as both reviews had skits that dramatically improved the review itself. I'm curious how those ideas translate behind the scenes, or if they're ever a consideration beyond "this looks good/bad" gut feelings?
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Jesus christ, how is talking about Gamergate not bannable in this thread? Yeah, I know I'm bringing it out when the discussion is dead, but- ah gently caress it. Tired Moritz fucked around with this message at 08:10 on Jan 31, 2015 |
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Jan 31, 2015 08:06
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Is it bannable in the rest of the forum?
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Mr. Fowl posted:Does Deflategate make you feel the same way? So far just gamergate, irisgate, and taupegate. Deflategate makes me think of Hollywood Jamaica, also Hooray, Beer! Then about footballs and feeling bad about thinking Jamaica first.
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Mischalaniouse posted:I always saw the Law/Chaos spectrum as not necessarily literally following laws but having an ordered way of looking at the world. A Lawful character believes in systems and codes of conduct. I don't think a Lawful Good character would be bound to uphold the laws of a Lawful Evil society. Even if this wasn't the intent of D&D's creators, I think it works better in actual practice. I agree. The problem is that the first thing that comes to mind with "law" is the laws we deal with in everyday life, so you kind of default to law abiding citizen as archetype, hence the boring, goody two shoes stereotype. But like you said, that is not really what it is about, it simply refers to some kind of strict moral or procedural code that the characters follows. Which, when it comes to, let's say a paladin, would be the law of his order or his god, not whatever city state he is currently in.
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Angry Joe's controversy appears to have been taken down!
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e X posted:I agree. The problem is that the first thing that comes to mind with "law" is the laws we deal with in everyday life, so you kind of default to law abiding citizen as archetype, hence the boring, goody two shoes stereotype. But like you said, that is not really what it is about, it simply refers to some kind of strict moral or procedural code that the characters follows. Which, when it comes to, let's say a paladin, would be the law of his order or his god, not whatever city state he is currently in. At least according the the D&D 5th ed rules, that's closer to Lawful Neutral. Lawful Good posted:Lawful good (LG) creatures can be counted on to do Lawful Neutral posted:Lawful neutral (LN) individuals act in accordance The descriptions of races aligned towards lawful also mention an importance on a "well-ordered society" quote:Alignment. Most dwarves are lawful, believing firmly Though I will be fair and say that Halfling slightly contradicts my description since they have "no tolerance for oppression": quote:Alignment. Most halflings are lawful good. As a rule, I still think it's just better to ignore alignment rules.
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MonsieurChoc posted:Angry Joe's controversy appears to have been taken down! Welp. 
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The hell is "BroTeamPill?"
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Mischalaniouse posted:The hell is "BroTeamPill?" They're a youtube channel too and currently Joe and them are going back and forth on Twitter over what happened. They're mad because of this image apparently showing them in the pro GG side.  Edit: Thread title feels especially appropriate right now 
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Jan 31, 2015 09:55
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Wait, Penny Arcade are on the GG side? I know they've done some dumb poo poo (dickwolves; transphobic comments), but I really didn't expect that of all things. Especially given how obsessively anti-bullying Mike Krahulik is.
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Jan 31, 2015 10:09
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Jsor posted:At least according the the D&D 5th ed rules, that's closer to Lawful Neutral. I know that sounds pretty arrogant, but I don't think the D&D author do a good job of actually explaining these things well. Or better, they also too often use stereotypes. And alignments are fine, as long as you keep in mind that your actions inform your alignment, not the other way round.
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Mods! NWS tag for gratuitous display of dicks and tits please. Content: About alignment in RPGs (Spoony's video), I think alignment is a necessary tool to force poor RPG players to inhabit their character. It's really difficult for a DM to haul aside players and say "but your character wouldn't do/say that" every time the player acts out of character. If you can point to a rule, that deflects conflict (marginally). But of course applying rules rigidly can be a way of being dickish towards players indirectly. I agree with Spoony's position that players having chaotic neutral and chaotic evil alignments is bad news. It is really a way for players to basically reduce engagement with the story/world of the game because it allows them to act as loose cannon and avoiding any binding commitments to NPGs etc. Spoony makes some good points in the video but does it an antagonistic way.
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Jan 31, 2015 10:46
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I'm not sure if I should be glad or not that I can't recognize almost any people on either side of that GG poster, like that black and white anime at the top or what appears to be a really nerdy version of the Burned Man from Fallout: New Vegas.e X posted:I know that sounds pretty arrogant, but I don't think the D&D author do a good job of actually explaining these things well. Or better, they also too often use stereotypes. And alignments are fine, as long as you keep in mind that your actions inform your alignment, not the other way round.
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Josef K. Sourdust posted:Mods! NWS tag for gratuitous display of dicks and tits please. Except that alignment doesn't help you do that in any meaningful way. If anything alignments cause more arguments and problems than not having them.
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Do you know what I hate about D&D alignment? It's that everyone gets them wrong.  quote:It's really difficult for a DM to haul aside players and say "but your character wouldn't do/say that" every time the player acts out of character. This should never happen because it's not what your alignment is for. Alignment is an after-taste of your characters actions, not a proscription of them. There are some races that have this after-taste pre-programmed in. If you're from the plane of Mechannus, you're gonna smell Lawful regardless of how much of a cheating, lying, traitorous rear end in a top hat you are. (Succubus Paladins exist. They count as all four alignments simultaneously  ) Your alignment doesn't remove your characters ability to act against it - just that doing so will have an effect on how they 'ping' and consequences in the shape of how spells & magic items interact with them or in the case of (from 3e) Paladins, Bards, Monks, Druids and a few others, it might cause them to lose some class abilities. Here's how it got explained to me and how I explain it to folks now in my games if Alignment ever comes up: If a LG character chose to to poison a nun to save a city they would shift a step towards Evil, because poisoning a nun is an evil act, even though it's clearly the lesser of two evils - there's not 'good' solution to that (except for finding the rear end in a top hat who set it up and running it through with your +3 Kitana or whaever, but let's pretend that isn't an option here) . Depending on how many violations they've chalked up, or how specific or uptight their god (if any) is, or how important the nun was to her god, the characters suffix might shift to N or E. If the same character, in that same act, just broke their own 'non use of poisons and total non-killing of nuns' personal credo, their 'L' might shift to 'N' or 'C' depending on how hard and fast their credo dun got broke. ninja edit: Jsor posted:Lawful characters get the opposite problem. They're wary of disorder and think that toppling a government will only lead to suffering. They'd prefer to try to lawfully change the leader, or remove inequity. In some ways, most people are inherently lawful. This doesn't necessarily mean they'll gleefully be an executioner just because the law says so, but it does mean that their first idea to reform the lovely military is probably going to be "put in a lot of years of effort to become a general and enact the reform from within." Quick note to expand on this because I've seen it far too often. Obeying the local tribe's stone tablets of correct behaviour doesn't make you lawful - it's adherence to your own personal code. I was in one infuriating group playing as a Paladin and I had a DM who flat out told me that my Paladin couldn't break into the bad guys house to smash his magic gem of fuckin' the city up because breaking and entering is against the law. Nope, my guy had to sit in the inn, BA Baraccus style, while the other players concocted a story on how they were going to go about that mission without letting on to me that they were doing crimes - because obviously the useless paladin would smite them all righteously the moment they did anything naughty. Drow society (yeah, bringin' up Drow. Peak D&D nerdiness ahead) is ridiculously regimented with castes, houses, overly specific laws dealing with overly specific violations, you must do X on a Sunday and you must do Y at Lolth's temple when your brother gets his (much deserved, stupid boy) beating and so on. But Drow are chaotic. They play along with the rules and will adhere to them so long as they're being watched - even enforcing them so long as it benefits them. but you can be pretty drat sure every single one of them is planning how to murder the woman in the position above them so they can get a step up. Yes the Matriarch is all powerful and must be obeyed and here you go my lady, try this special wine I've made just for you. See - own personal credo - not the society, town, settlement or yurt you happen to be in at the time. Alignments are dumb and no one does them right. But I like them. Alignment chat is like the gamergate of D&D. There. I said it. 
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