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Chamale posted:I think it's health issues with a degree of uncertainty, such as chronic fatigue which has an uncertain cause or cancer which has an uncertain prognosis. As was said earlier, a broken bone is a clear problem with a known cause and solution. It's also be a factor that a layperson can easily understand the cure for a broken bone, but might not understand why the doctor won't prescribe antibiotics to fight the flu. Also anything where the problem is stigmatized, or treatment is unpleasant - mental health issues, chemo. Laphroaig posted:Agreed. Fear mixed with "Nature Knows Best" is basically the issue.
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OwlFancier posted:Rare steak is lovely, but I tried it blue once and it just didn't taste of anything. It really depends on the cut, I find. I hate tenderloin no matter how it's cooked because I believe it has no flavour, whereas other people tell me I'm missing out. I find a NY strip to be very flavourful regardless of how it's cooked, and I prefer my ribeye to be slightly more well done so the fat has at least some chance to melt into the meat. My favourite raw things would probably have to be scallop sashimi, and raw egg used as an ingredient in Caesar dressing, fresh mayonnaise, or in cocktails. Oddly enough, I've never had any kind of food-borne illness from "the usual suspects," but I've had horrible food poisoning from normal things like pizza that, I strongly suspect, were not being held at the correct temperature.
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Jan 30, 2015 14:39
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Raw eggs I think are generally fine in the UK because we don't have a big problem with avian salmonella due to, amusingly, vaccinating chickens against it. At least if you buy lion eggs. Otherwise I would probably be dead from eating cake mix by now. I dunno about other places or how much of a problem it is abroad. But yeah dodgy fast food is a great way to get something unpleasant. Actually that's a thought, I wonder if antivaxxers in countries that vaccinate their livestock still eat meat? Or whether they'd stop if you told them about it.
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Jan 30, 2015 14:51
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OwlFancier posted:Rare steak is lovely, but I tried it blue once and it just didn't taste of anything. You should try Steak Tartar, raw, thinly sliced. Delicious.
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I love this forum, what topic can't end up getting steered toward food or booze at some point 
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One thing that really hurts vaccination is the association with big business. I mean, it's perfectly understandable to be concerned about the level of self-interest that can develop when someone is selling a product that is essentially mandatory. Unfortunately the answer for a lot of people is chewing on berries and drinking carrot juice.
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Jan 30, 2015 16:34
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Elderbean posted:One thing that really hurts vaccination is the association with big business. I mean, it's perfectly understandable to be concerned about the level of self-interest that can develop when someone is selling a product that is essentially mandatory. Unfortunately the answer for a lot of people is chewing on berries and drinking carrot juice. I don't know how any of them can look past the need for a large business to be able to deliver them really specific organic foods out of season but whatever.
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Fresno's Hosptial in California had their entire maternity ward exposed to measles thanks to some fucker walking through there that was infected. http://www.fresnobee.com/2015/01/28/4352672/fresno-county-health-officials.html
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CruelCoin posted:You should try Steak Tartar, raw, thinly sliced. Delicious.
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Jan 30, 2015 17:47
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You should not eat raw or undercooked meats.
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Shouldn't but will if they're tasty enough. I shouldn't eat cheese on everything but I do because oh my god I love cheese. But I would agree that you shouldn't tell people it's good for you to do either of those things, only that it's fun.
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Elderbean posted:One thing that really hurts vaccination is the association with big business. I mean, it's perfectly understandable to be concerned about the level of self-interest that can develop when someone is selling a product that is essentially mandatory. Unfortunately the answer for a lot of people is chewing on berries and drinking carrot juice. Surely the medical industry would make more money off treating the horrible, horrible diseases that vaccines prevent, no? I mean, if you're going for an anti-corporate paranoid viewpoint, at least think it through  OwlFancier posted:Shouldn't but will if they're tasty enough. I shouldn't eat cheese on everything but I do because oh my god I love cheese. Yep, if it kills me at least I had a good final meal. Besides, raw beef is pretty safe if you prepare it freshly and carefully. I wouldn't order it down at the local pub, mind.
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PT6A posted:Surely the medical industry would make more money off treating the horrible, horrible diseases that vaccines prevent, no? I mean, if you're going for an anti-corporate paranoid viewpoint, at least think it through Yeah, but that's not the view people are adopting. A lot of the anti-vaccination rhetoric is about how BIG PHARMA just wants to make money from vaccines and that the whole thing is a sham.
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Elderbean posted:A lot of the anti-vaccination rhetoric is about how BIG PHARMA just wants to make money from vaccines and that the whole thing is a sham. These same people have catapulted Whole Foods and woo providers into making nearly the same amount of income as Big Pharma, so why should what they think matter?
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Discendo Vox posted:You should not eat raw or undercooked meats. Wrong again, Obama. Now go ask Bobby Flay to burn another steak for you.
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Discendo Vox posted:You should not eat raw or undercooked meats. This is as wrong as wrong can be. In Australia you can, and should, eat pork medium rare to medium. Yay for disease eradication and diseases never existing here at all to prevent dry overcooked porkness. quote:Myth: Pork is dry and tasteless. Fun fact: in Russia chicken is by and large waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay overcooked even moreso than we'd consider safe for poultry because of fear of disease. Also chicken sashimi in Japan is a thing.
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twodot posted:Because the steak derail is more comfortable than dealing with crazy people, steak tartare is raw and minced or chopped and steak carpaccio is raw and thinly sliced. Both are good. Yeah man, I also enjoy the taste and texture of cat food
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QuarkJets posted:Yeah man, I also enjoy the taste and texture of cat food
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twodot posted:Sincere condolences on living in a hellscape (possibly the midwest) that doesn't serve proper food. I live on an island in the Pacific. If I'm going to eat something raw, it's going to come from the sea (and our cows taste AMAZING cooked rare or medium rare, but raw beef has lovely texture no matter where it's from)
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twodot posted:Sincere condolences on living in a hellscape (possibly the midwest) that doesn't serve proper food. Had I know how bad the food was ahead of time I may have never taken that job offer in the Midwest.
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If it helps the idiots pushing raw foods as more healthy probably don't think it necessary to sterilize any food contact surface. There's kind of a big difference there dudes.
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DemeaninDemon posted:If it helps the idiots pushing raw foods as more healthy probably don't think it necessary to sterilize any food contact surface. Yes, wash your loving greens and your loving bean sprouts!
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DemeaninDemon posted:If it helps the idiots pushing raw foods as more healthy probably don't think it necessary to sterilize any food contact surface. Considering that's how I've gotten food poisoning a few times from an acquaintance who's vegan that dabbles in some raw food things, that's pretty much put me off ever trying anything like that again.
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Also, it'd be pretty nifty if we could just irradiate our meats to kill any and all of the bad poo poo in it! Too bad these same people will freak out because they don't understand that exposing something to radiation does not make it radioactive or dangerous.
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PT6A posted:Also, it'd be pretty nifty if we could just irradiate our meats to kill any and all of the bad poo poo in it! Too bad these same people will freak out because they don't understand that exposing something to radiation does not make it radioactive or dangerous. In the US, at least, we can and do do that. The meat does not remain sterile after being irradiated, however. The practice also frequently changes the taste and texture to the point that consumers no longer find it appealing. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 03:22 on Jan 31, 2015 |
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Jan 31, 2015 03:20
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Or use ammonia that doesn't do poo poo to people at those levels.
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gently caress this doctor. How do you get someone's medical license revoked? http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/01/30/amid-measles-outbreak-anti-vaccine-doctor-revels-in-his-notoriety/
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The Mandingo posted:gently caress this doctor. How do you get someone's medical license revoked? Of course, a chiropractor is involved somehow.
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The Mandingo posted:gently caress this doctor. How do you get someone's medical license revoked? I love that at no point in the article is he ever referred to as "Dr."
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pentyne posted:I love that at no point in the article is he ever referred to as "Dr." Well, they describe him as a cardiologist turned holistic medicine expert. That kind of broke my brain for a bit, "How do you even...?" Then I just figured he's another snake oil salesman. He thought he would get rich off of being a cardiologist, then when all that paperwork got to be a bother, he started selling snake oil. So he's a well credentialed snake oil salesman, but still a snake oil salesman. The Mandingo posted:gently caress this doctor. How do you get someone's medical license revoked? If it makes you feel any better, amongst all the threats he has received, there are several doctors out there lobbying to get his medical license revoked. The local doctors are even more pissed at him than you are, and are probably more used to dealing with Medical board licensing. One disgruntled patient is a blip, they have malpractice insurance for that. A half-dozen doctors arguing to strip a doctor of their medical license, yeah, that raises a few eyebrows.
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The Mandingo posted:gently caress this doctor. How do you get someone's medical license revoked? I love some of the comments on his facebook page. "There are no doctors that "Specialize" in vaccines." Uh...pretty sure there are a host of specialties that are required to have a fairly in depth understanding of inoculation.
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No no, vaccines appear randomly from the ether at points across the globe, they aren't developed, only collected by teams of men with nets.
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ActusRhesus posted:I love some of the comments on his facebook page. He might be arguing a technicality. Its been awhile since I looked into it but it may be that there is no specific "vaccine" specialty. But rather specialty in things like infectious diseases, virology, cancer, cell modification and like 900 other things. But no recognized specialty specifically for vaccines. But again. I haven't worked with Doctors who were involved in that poo poo in a few years and frankly never really gave enough of a poo poo to learn how it worked. There may actually be one. I'm not sure.
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Genocide Tendency posted:He might be arguing a technicality. The CDC has a bunch of doctors who study infectious diseases, that's pretty much their entire job. And they're actually pretty good at it. thrakkorzog fucked around with this message at 14:15 on Jan 31, 2015 |
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There's no such thing as an anti-biologist, that's why I believe in a holistic approach to syphilis treatment. Big Penicillin are just after your money!
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quote:That was when he started challenging vaccines. He said viruses — not vaccines — are a part of the natural world. “Unfortunately, they mean that some people get sick and some people die,” he said. “But the reality is that we can’t inject our children with chemicals.” Truly a fate worse than death. Not to go all godwin and all but has anyone actually proven that pushing people like this up a chimney would be unethical?
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The Mandingo posted:gently caress this doctor. How do you get someone's medical license revoked? From looking at how state medical boards work (mostly related to my ongoing side project, Operation Oz), I can say that it's really freaking hard to get someone's license revoked. This shouldn't be too surprising- the apparatus is run by the people it's supposed to regulate after all. Lawyers have a similar structural problem, but imo (despite not being a lawyer) it's not quite as bad, perhaps because the rules are written and understood by, well, lawyers, who have fairly detailed and case-specific standards for the attorney-client relationship and what it entails. Clinical ethics is more of a grab bag, which sucks.
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thrakkorzog posted:The CDC has a bunch of doctors who study infectious diseases, that's pretty much their entire job. And they're actually pretty good at it. Correct. There are also a bunch of ID specialists working for hospitals and pharm companies and they are really good at it. Which is where you get a lot of your advanced research in medicine. Like I said. Moron McFucknuts, cardiologist turned witch doctor, might be arguing a technicality in that there might not be a specifically named "vaccine specialist" since its covered by one of the other 900 specialties out there.
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Good news! America's skepticism about vaccines has only been getting worse over time! 1 in 5 millennials thinks vaccines cause autism, and the group is evenly split as to whether they should be required, more than any other age group.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Good news! America's skepticism about vaccines has only been getting worse over time! 1 in 5 millennials thinks vaccines cause autism, and the group is evenly split as to whether they should be required, more than any other age group. How is this even happening? Everywhere you look there are people saying "No seriously, that autism-vaccine thing is bullshit and they are perfectly safe" yet more and more people choose to believe otherwise.
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