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Hi everyone, It seems that the free software is replaced by  open source on FOSDEMwebsite. 2014: https://fosdem.org/2014/about/ 2015: https://www.fosdem.org/2015/about/ What is the scope on changing this ? https://github.com/FOSDEM/website/commit/f86c7040dad3dd1e85d8b0922079250ae591dd30 2013: https://www.fosdem.org/2013/about/ . poty
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Jan 31, 2015 14:11
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Mr Dog posted:the process mounting your root filesystem crashes: totally not a thing that will bring down your entire system yeah restarting kernel drivers isn't a compelling use case being able to use regular userspace debuggers on them during development is pretty cool tho
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pseudorandom name posted:everything is buggy and it turns out if you move it to userspace your system gets a whole lot more reliable both because its easier to debug and because when it fucks up it doesn't take down the entire system yeah i'm guessing graphics drivers on linux will only improve when less of them lives inside kernel space
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Mr Dog posted:http://who-t.blogspot.com.au/2015/01/lenovos-x1-carbon-3rd-touchpad-woes.html  How hard is it to just restart T430 era keyboard production (but thinner and lighter)? I will laugh so hard if the reason is that trackpoint buttons are now physically attached to the touchpad instead of the keyboard because if it ain't broke then break it (then I will buy a used T440s to replace the palm rest with a T450s one and realise they're like 0.5mm different in size because gently caress you  )
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Jan 31, 2015 16:39
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they probably save a nickel by having the hardware buttons on the trackpad PCB instead of the keyboard. since they presumably provide their own windows drivers, why not ship an ugly software hack and save the nickel ? what's terrible about this is not their cheaping out on the hardware -- it's that most lenovo models have at least one "certified for linux" SKU did they certify models with known-broken mouse buttons?
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:they probably save a nickel by having the hardware buttons on the trackpad PCB instead of the keyboard. since they presumably provide their own windows drivers, why not ship an ugly software hack and save the nickel ? yeah the new trackpoint buttons are probably just a touchpad bolted on backwards and no it's not known-broken anymore once a fix has been hacked into the linux kernel~
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blowfish posted:yeah the new trackpoint buttons are probably just a touchpad bolted on backwards they should have had a fix before the hardware was released
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:they should have had a fix before the hardware was released i can't buy them yet  and it is not like lenovo does not have a history of letting the customer beta test their innovative features
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i like the part where linux uses the PS/2 serial bus in the year of our lord 2015 to talk to a multitouch capacitive touchpad because apparently the native interface uses SMBus/I2C in such a hosed up way that Synaptics just goes ahead and clobbers the Windows I2C subsystem and replaces it with its own just to make poo poo work and then surprise surprise they don't qa the PS/2 interface very well so it returns incorrect physical geometry metadata sometimes v  vand also they reuse the pnpid a bunch because who cares right v vidk why ppl put up with making this poo poo run on linux at all much less for free but uh props to them i guess 
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Jan 31, 2015 17:43
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idk I kinda expect basic poo poo like that to break when using Linux
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Jan 31, 2015 19:39
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does any of it work after suspend?
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Jan 31, 2015 19:40
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Mr Dog posted:i like the part where linux uses the PS/2 serial bus in the year of our lord 2015 to talk to a multitouch capacitive touchpad because apparently the native interface uses SMBus/I2C in such a hosed up way that Synaptics just goes ahead and clobbers the Windows I2C subsystem and replaces it with its own just to make poo poo work the touchpad on my retina macbook pro works perfectly with apple osx
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Jan 31, 2015 19:42
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pram posted:the touchpad on my retina macbook pro works perfectly with linux
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Jan 31, 2015 19:46
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Subjunctive posted:does any of it work after suspend? ZShakespeare posted:idk I kinda expect basic poo poo like that to break when using Linux this is why people buy lenovo's "certified for linux" laptops i'm disappointed when they uh, don't do any qa
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Jan 31, 2015 19:46
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do they specify what distro they support at the time of sale?
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saucepanman posted:do they specify what distro they support at the time of sale? they test rhel, suse, and ubuntu. not every model is certified for every version. but it at least tells you what you're in for http://support.lenovo.com/us/en/documents/pd031426
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:they test rhel, suse, and ubuntu. not every model is certified for every version. but it at least tells you what you're in for http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/desktop/make/Lenovo/?category=Laptop i dunno whom i should blame
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Jan 31, 2015 21:01
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:yeah i'm guessing graphics drivers on linux will only improve when less of them lives inside kernel space no, they'll improve when they have more than two people working on them. weirdly enough, the nvidia driver is pretty good. on the other hand, your lovely USB web cam / printer / whatever else drivers on Windows just return IO errors to the application when their drivers segfault
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Jan 31, 2015 21:03
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the nvidia drivers are good because they actually have people working on them, conversely the amd drivers are loving terrible messes
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saucepanman posted:the nvidia drivers are good because they actually have people working on them, conversely the amd drivers are loving terrible messes every couple of years someone will insist to me that fglrx is "actually good now" it's never true
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Jan 31, 2015 21:14
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fglrx is actually good now.
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Jan 31, 2015 21:18
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It's all enabled on my laptop and I don't have any crashes.
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Jan 31, 2015 21:18
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So, on a machine with intel hd graphics, xflgrx works pretty great!
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Jan 31, 2015 21:19
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the only reason it probably works is because of the nvidia/intel hybrid drivers
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Jan 31, 2015 21:25
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pram posted:the touchpad on my retina macbook pro works perfectly with apple osx no it doesn't, install SmoothMouse to see why.
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Jan 31, 2015 21:38
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computer toucher posted:no it doesn't, install SmoothMouse to see why. well im not going to
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Jan 31, 2015 22:16
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computer toucher posted:no it doesn't, install SmoothMouse to see why. it actually does
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Jan 31, 2015 22:19
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Multitouch on my asus laptop works just fine. In fact, everything on my asus laptop works fine under Linux, even suspend. The only issue is that if you connect an external monitor, do some work, and disconnect the external monitor, and lock the laptop, and go into suspend... when you wake up the laptop, the screen isn't locked anymore. I could file a bug report on gnome shell but I'm too lazy and it's ubuntu gnome so whelp
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man, this thread is really taking me back to all those times when I was using a real desktop OS and had detailed conversations about how and if my basic input devices would work.
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still not using lunix itt
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posted from my non-lunix ipad air 2
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SYSV Fanfic posted:fglrx is actually good now. it's better in that it doesn't crash on startup in as many programs anymore, but it still a broken pos and Nvidia blows them away performance-wise on linux even when the same cards are nearly equivalent on windows.
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http://zacbrown.org/2015/01/18/openbsd-as-a-desktop.html posted:WiFi is also better in OpenBSD than it was on Linux. Signal reception is more consistent whereas it seemed to fluctuate a considerable amount on Linux. what could explain that?
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Subjunctive posted:what could explain that? openbsd uses a 10C dilution of wifi, compared to linux's 20X
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I have OpenBSD running on one laptop; it's a bit antiquated in ways and you can really hurt yourself easily if you're inexperienced, but it is fairly easy to get up and running with gnome 3 which works perfectly, and it will be quite secure if you're not a moron and open it up. I like using it for an endpoint to shell into other boxes - if you're running openbsd on a laptop, those micro belkin usb wireless kits work really well and have nice blue blinken lights.
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Broken Machine posted:I have OpenBSD running on one laptop; it's a bit antiquated in ways and you can really hurt yourself easily if you're inexperienced, but it is fairly easy to get up and running with gnome 3 which works perfectly, and it will be quite secure if you're not a moron and open it up. I like using it for an endpoint to shell into other boxes - if you're running openbsd on a laptop, those micro belkin usb wireless kits work really well and have nice blue blinken lights. By saying old and fully supported, I imagine a Pentium pro think pad.
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SYSV Fanfic posted:By saying old and fully supported, I imagine a Pentium pro think pad. it's extremely lightweight as far as memory footprint and it'll run on most anything; usually keeps itself under 512mb, rarely hits swap. A lot of the elevators run it for example. You can in fact run a multi-terabyte fileserver on a 386 with it.
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Subjunctive posted:what could explain that? broken power management. i get much better wifi performance under linux than osx, but it comes at the cost of my battery.
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