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Blasmeister posted:It's sort of fascinating, how badly WWE seems to hurt the heat of heels who feud with John Cena. Is it the storyline during the feud, the matches, how WWE treats them afterwards, the way Cena is viewed as all important or Cena himself that manages to make any credible heel look like nothing once Cenawinzlol? I think having Cena win is a reiteration of marketing being more important than compelling stories and unique personalities. I spend most of my day working so I can have money to survive, I watch WWE because I want to forget about that and see some authentic performances (even though it's fake).
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Bigass Moth posted:Rusev is the exact kind of guy they could build the future around but they won't because he isn't cena or reigns. He's got that funny accent going on too. He'll be 2015's Bray Wyatt.
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Feb 1, 2015 01:17
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Blasmeister posted:It's sort of fascinating, how badly WWE seems to hurt the heat of heels who feud with John Cena. Is it the storyline during the feud, the matches, how WWE treats them afterwards, the way Cena is viewed as all important or Cena himself that manages to make any credible heel look like nothing once Cenawinzlol? It's probably because every Cena feud has multiple encounters where he not only decisively wins but laughs off any threat from the person. It destroys any sort of mystique that's been built up for the heel. If Cena has one match with Rusev at WrestleMania and then they get him the hell away from Cena, he'll be fine. But knowing the WWE, they'll have them interact at every Raw and PPV until Extreme Rules where Rusev will essentially be transformed into Umaga.
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Feb 1, 2015 01:17
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It's the same reason that Cena 'had to' beat up the whole Wyatt family after Brock trashed him at Summerslam. Vince seems to honestly believe that if Cena looks weak in ANY way, every single child fan will lose faith and stop giving Vince all the merchandise money. Nothing you say or do will convince Vince otherwise. So, we keep booing Reigns. Maybe it will finally make Vince's brain crack in two.
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Feb 1, 2015 01:18
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Blasmeister posted:It's sort of fascinating, how badly WWE seems to hurt the heat of heels who feud with John Cena. Is it the storyline during the feud, the matches, how WWE treats them afterwards, the way Cena is viewed as all important or Cena himself that manages to make any credible heel look like nothing once Cenawinzlol? Yes.
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Feb 1, 2015 01:19
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Bigass Moth posted:Rusev is the exact kind of guy they could build the future around but they won't because he isn't cena or reigns. Why exactly? He's completely stagnated in the last few months, (his overselling probably doesn't help his unbeatable monster aura) he's never had a great match and most of his act is Lana.
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Feb 1, 2015 01:24
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With his selling and (especially) his facial expressions I can see Rusev working out extremely well as a babyface, but it's hard to get a grasp of what he'd be as a main event worker.
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Feb 1, 2015 01:34
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Fat Lowtax posted:With his selling and (especially) his facial expressions I can see Rusev working out extremely well as a babyface, but it's hard to get a grasp of what he'd be as a main event worker. Just imagine the first time he turns face and turns to the camera and makes that big screaming face he does with his arms out wide. The crowd is gonna wild for him.
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Feb 1, 2015 01:48
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LoboLoboLobo posted:Just imagine the first time he turns face and turns to the camera and makes that big screaming face he does with his arms out wide. The crowd is gonna wild for him. Just wait until they find out he's a Clippers fan and start booing him again!
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Feb 1, 2015 02:22
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I don't want to wish permanent disability upon anyone except Kevin Dunn, but I wish Cena and Reigns would both go on the shelf simultaneously for a couple of months to scare Vince into actually elevating some other guys. He's been very fortunate to have his Ace stay healthy for as long as Cena has.
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Feb 1, 2015 02:24
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MassRafTer posted:Why exactly? He's completely stagnated in the last few months, (his overselling probably doesn't help his unbeatable monster aura) he's never had a great match and most of his act is Lana. He has big muscles.
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Feb 1, 2015 02:25
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MassRafTer posted:Why exactly? He's completely stagnated in the last few months, (his overselling probably doesn't help his unbeatable monster aura) he's never had a great match and most of his act is Lana. I don't think he oversells and his selling makes him look great because no matter how hurt you get him, he pushes through and beats you clean. I also think he's had plenty of good matches and would have a great match if given time and the right opponent (as is true with much of the roster).
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Feb 1, 2015 02:28
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Neodoomium posted:I don't want to wish permanent disability upon anyone except Kevin Dunn, but I wish Cena and Reigns would both go on the shelf simultaneously for a couple of months to scare Vince into actually elevating some other guys. He's been very fortunate to have his Ace stay healthy for as long as Cena has. I can only assume "healthy" is in relative terms and any sane (i.e. not on Vince's payroll) doctor can probably find a bunch of reasons for Cena to spend a couple months on the shelf if he did an evaluation today.
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Feb 1, 2015 02:37
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Charles Gnarwin posted:I don't think he oversells and his selling makes him look great because no matter how hurt you get him, he pushes through and beats you clean. I also think he's had plenty of good matches and would have a great match if given time and the right opponent (as is true with much of the roster). Sure, but his ceiling as a foreign heel is a match against the top face in the company at Wrestlemania. Besides him almost losing to Jack Swagger and Mark Henry for a year isn't what got him over as a heel, it's entirely the Russian gimmick and Lana antagonizing crowds. Dude definitely is more than a one trick pony and should have a long career, but that gimmick has a short shelf life. It's tailor made to be fed to Cena.
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Feb 1, 2015 02:43
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Neodoomium posted:I don't want to wish permanent disability upon anyone except Kevin Dunn, but I wish Cena and Reigns would both go on the shelf simultaneously for a couple of months to scare Vince into actually elevating some other guys. He's been very fortunate to have his Ace stay healthy for as long as Cena has. Deep down inside, you know that as soon as either of them were ready to come back whoever got shuffled into the main event in their place will turn into a comedy jobber. Look at how Ziggler looked for a bit while Reigns was out, now he's back to where he was before because he isn't needed. They gave him the win over The Authority, then brought them back when Reigns was good to go so that he could probably kill them at some point. As far as the assassination of Rusev goes, I can't wait for Cena to lure Lana away with his charms and just work on turning Rusev into Zack Russian one step at a time until we only see him like four times a year on Main Event and Superstars.
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Feb 1, 2015 02:54
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Neodoomium posted:I don't want to wish permanent disability upon anyone except Kevin Dunn, but I wish Cena and Reigns would both go on the shelf simultaneously for a couple of months to scare Vince into actually elevating some other guys. He's been very fortunate to have his Ace stay healthy for as long as Cena has. last time something like this happened each episode of raw for two months ended with the authority standing over bryan's beaten body
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Feb 1, 2015 03:07
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It's actually pretty fun that Rusev can hardly even be considered a heel, except for the fact he's Russian and his manager is a super heely heel. He doesn't particularly cheat, he just wins a lot over people that are liked.
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Feb 1, 2015 03:34
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DeathChicken posted:he just wins a lot over people that are liked. Somewhere, Vince read this post and began booking Reigns' feuds for the year: heel Ambrose and heel Bryan.
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Feb 1, 2015 03:37
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I don't get why all you smarks don't see how this is an attempt to turn everyone heel so the only face left is Reigns. If everyone's a heel, how can you boo him? It's just logic.
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Feb 1, 2015 03:53
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Authorman posted:Sure, but his ceiling as a giant monster heel is a match against the top face in the company at Halloween Havoc. There's probably a better analogy but that's the first thing that came to mind.
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Feb 1, 2015 04:03
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Big Coffin Hunter posted:last time something like this happened each episode of raw for two months ended with the authority standing over bryan's beaten body Oh yeah, WM 30 being good clouds how absolutely horrendous everything prior to WM 30 was
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Neodoomium posted:Oh yeah, WM 30 being good clouds how absolutely horrendous everything prior to WM 30 was the build to WM30 once it became obvious the direction was bryan in the main event was really good actually
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Feb 1, 2015 04:12
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Luigi Thirty posted:There's probably a better analogy but that's the first thing that came to mind. Rusev is Umaga 2 down to a manager who calls for the devastating, highly protected finisher. Rusev actually has less offense, frankly. He exists to get build up and fed to Cena, then crap around as a midcard heel. I really wonder how much future Lana has, she's hot and a fine heel but the Russia gimmick is super limiting. Do you see her managing anyone else--what's her motivation/personality?
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King Bahamut posted:Rusev is Umaga 2 down to a manager who calls for the devastating, highly protected finisher. Rusev actually has less offense, frankly. He exists to get build up and fed to Cena, then crap around as a midcard heel. I really wonder how much future Lana has, she's hot and a fine heel but the Russia gimmick is super limiting. Do you see her managing anyone else--what's her motivation/personality? Umaga would have been in a good place if he could have kept his drug issues in check. He was someone they would use as a foil for the top babyface or the guy they wanted in that position (Lashley.) If that is Rusev's ceiling it's great for him.
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King Bahamut posted:Rusev is Umaga 2 down to a manager who calls for the devastating, highly protected finisher. Rusev actually has less offense, frankly. He exists to get build up and fed to Cena, then crap around as a midcard heel. I really wonder how much future Lana has, she's hot and a fine heel but the Russia gimmick is super limiting. Do you see her managing anyone else--what's her motivation/personality? Make Hideo Itami Chinese, turn Lana Soviet, Communist Comrades
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Spermgod posted:the build to WM30 once it became obvious the direction was bryan in the main event was really good actually Yeah there's just as much reason why bryan/authority was best feud of 2014 as why bryan/authority was the worst feud of 2013
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King Bahamut posted:Rusev is Umaga 2 down to a manager who calls for the devastating, highly protected finisher. Rusev actually has less offense, frankly. He exists to get build up and fed to Cena, then crap around as a midcard heel. I really wonder how much future Lana has, she's hot and a fine heel but the Russia gimmick is super limiting. Do you see her managing anyone else--what's her motivation/personality?
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Feb 1, 2015 04:21
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If they ever did a brand split again, Lana would make a great GM for Smackdown.
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Spermgod posted:the build to WM30 once it became obvious the direction was bryan in the main event was really good actually agreed. they may have stumbled into it but was accidentally a hell of a storyline.
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Feb 1, 2015 04:48
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GrimGypsy posted:If they ever did a brand split again, Lana would make a great GM for Smackdown. Yes, WWE is sorely lacking in authority figures right now.
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MotU posted:Make Hideo Itami Chinese, turn Lana Soviet, Communist Comrades All we'll get out of that is a Cena promo referencing the Sino-Soviet split.
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Feb 1, 2015 04:50
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According to Court Bauer and Alex Greenfield, that was a Rumble booked by Michael Hayes.
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Feb 1, 2015 04:54
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Daniel Bryan posted:According to Court Bauer and Alex Greenfield, that was a Rumble booked by Michael Hayes. God to know he is as lovely at booking a Rumble as he is at dressing.
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Feb 1, 2015 05:00
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Why does that not surprise me at all? I just tried to look up that Dear Seth video from last year and it's been taken down for copyright violations. 
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Feb 1, 2015 05:01
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Is there anything Michael Hayes is good at?
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Daniel Bryan posted:According to Court Bauer and Alex Greenfield, that was a Rumble booked by Michael Hayes. Lmfao
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Feb 1, 2015 05:09
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keevo posted:Is there anything Michael Hayes is good at? Being a racist
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Daniel Bryan posted:According to Court Bauer and Alex Greenfield, that was a Rumble booked by Michael Hayes. If only that crazed bird seller on the JBL & Cole Show had taken him out...
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keevo posted:Is there anything Michael Hayes is good at? I hear he was in a tag team once that was pretty good.
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keevo posted:Is there anything Michael Hayes is good at? Making Mark Henry cry.
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