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IAMKOREA
Apr 21, 2007

Inept posted:

You are by far the most pretentious person in this thread. Jesus Christ.

Sorry that you are a LEWNBR?

edit: that's an acronym for low earner, will never be rich... in case you couldn't figure it out... (you probably couldn't because you're a LEWNBR...)

IAMKOREA fucked around with this message at 06:59 on Feb 1, 2015

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IAMKOREA
Apr 21, 2007

Inept posted:


"Live a life like the noble third world subsistence farmer". Ahaha give me a loving break.

Volunteering for WWOOF would be good for you, given your ignorance of third world famers. I will give you a 'loving break' however you wish - just let me know what's up.

They are far nobler than you. Edit: Seriously, 'Inept', what do you eat? Those calories that you expend sitting on your rear end arguing on SA... where do they come from? What do the farmers who produce them look like? Have you ever grown your own food? Haha... living like a farmer... what a joke...

IAMKOREA fucked around with this message at 07:01 on Feb 1, 2015

blackmet
Aug 5, 2006

I believe there is a universal Truth to the process of doing things right (Not that I have any idea what that actually means).

IAMKOREA posted:

Sorry that you are a LEWNBR?

edit: that's an acronym for low earner, will never be rich... in case you couldn't figure it out... (you probably couldn't because you're a LEWNBR...)

That is the dumbest, shittiest acronym I've ever heard.

And as for vacations...if you've budgeted for it and can afford it, do whatever you want. $1000 for a week of pretending to be a 3rd world farmer? $10,000 for a night at an Indian casino so you can plunk all of it down on one bet on the craps table? $5000 for a week at Club Med? Who cares? Enjoy yourself and have a story to tell.

I can SO tell you're and engineer by how you're sperging. Chill.

IAMKOREA
Apr 21, 2007

blackmet posted:

That is the dumbest, shittiest acronym I've ever heard.

And as for vacations...if you've budgeted for it and can afford it, do whatever you want. $1000 for a week of pretending to be a 3rd world farmer? $10,000 for a night at an Indian casino so you can plunk all of it down on one bet on the craps table? $5000 for a week at Club Med? Who cares? Enjoy yourself and have a story to tell.

I can SO tell you're and engineer by how you're sperging. Chill.

'Do whatever you want' is how the Europeans genocided the Native Americans. Doing whatever you want is not a good thing. gently caress off.

Edit: Have a story to tell? No one gives a gently caress about your stories. gently caress your boring stories. What will his story be about? The time he spent $1000 a day to insulate himself from the Mexican people? The time he went and saw a pyramid, but fortunately didn't have to talk to a brown person?

IAMKOREA fucked around with this message at 07:20 on Feb 1, 2015

Fezziwig
Jun 7, 2011

IAMKOREA posted:

'Do whatever you want' is how the Europeans genocided the Native Americans. Doing whatever you want is not a good thing. gently caress off.

LOL is this real life? I can't believe we've gone from vacations to genocide.

Inept
Jul 8, 2003

IAMKOREA posted:

'Do whatever you want' is how the Europeans genocided the Native Americans. Doing whatever you want is not a good thing. gently caress off.

Edit: Have a story to tell? No one gives a gently caress about your stories. gently caress your stories.

:eyepop:

Fezziwig
Jun 7, 2011

I'm your avatar and text right now

IAMKOREA
Apr 21, 2007

As a Native American, I have this to say to all of you: gently caress you, get the gently caress off of my continent. I don't care where you go, just loving leave.

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008

IAMKOREA posted:

'Do whatever you want' is how the Europeans genocided the Native Americans. Doing whatever you want is not a good thing. gently caress off.

Edit: Have a story to tell? No one gives a gently caress about your stories. gently caress your boring stories. What will his story be about? The time he spent $1000 a day to insulate himself from the Mexican people? The time he went and saw a pyramid, but fortunately didn't have to talk to a brown person?

haha, holy poo poo, why are you so loving angry that someone has more disposable cash to spend on holidays than you?

I seriously think you need help of some kind.

pig slut lisa
Mar 5, 2012

irl is good


IAMKOREA posted:

'Do whatever you want' is how the Europeans genocided the Native Americans. Doing whatever you want is not a good thing. gently caress off.

lmao you crazy weirdo

e:

IAMKOREA posted:

As a Native American, I have this to say to all of you: gently caress you, get the gently caress off of my continent. I don't care where you go, just loving leave.

IAMKOREA
Apr 21, 2007

Rudager posted:

haha, holy poo poo, why are you so loving angry that someone has more disposable cash to spend on holidays than you?

I seriously think you need help of some kind.

Actually I have more disposable cash to spend on holidays than him (and it only took me two months to earn it).

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008

IAMKOREA posted:

Actually I have more disposable cash to spend on holidays than him (and it only took me two months to earn it).

That doesn't answer the question on why you're so loving angry about someone else spending money on a holiday.

kidhash
Jan 10, 2007

IAMKOREA posted:

Actually I have more disposable cash to spend on holidays than him (and it only took me two months to earn it).

Handouts from the Casino?

opus111
Jul 6, 2014

IAMKOREA posted:

Actually I have more disposable cash to spend on holidays than him (and it only took me two months to earn it).

lol you been flogging firewater or ripping off your bros in your casino or something?

DrSunshine
Mar 23, 2009

Did I just say that out loud~~?!!!
Hmm! I'd say that spending :10bux: for the privilege of watching someone melt down on the internet in real time is good with money.

Jastiger
Oct 11, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
I wonder where he lives.

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006

IAMKOREA posted:

Actually I have more disposable cash to spend on holidays than him (and it only took me two months to earn it).

You could be dropped in the middle of San Francisco or Seattle and nobody would even loving notice you. Your income and pretentiousness pale in comparison to Silicon Valley/PNW nerds working in tech jobs.


Alternatively, we're getting trolled into oblivion. I prefer to think of it that way because nobody could possibly be this much of a human being unless they were parodying something.

Wickerman
Feb 26, 2007

Boom, mothafucka!
I drove from Phoenix AZ to Puerto Peñasco Mx and honestly there were some nice resorts there that only cost a couple hundred bucks for a weekend.

That said, I would definitely believe that going anywhere more touristy like Cancun would probably cost a lot more. It would also have a lot more Americans and would be a more enjoyable family adventure. So I don't know about that guy melting down but I think your vacation's cost seems reasonable for what it is. Especially if the kids have other kids to meet and play with.

Veskit
Mar 2, 2005

I love capitalism!! DM me for the best investing advice!
Anyone got a GIF from snowpiercer?

Saeku
Sep 22, 2010

IAMKOREA posted:

Volunteering for WWOOF would be good for you, given your ignorance of third world famers. I will give you a 'loving break' however you wish - just let me know what's up.

They are far nobler than you. Edit: Seriously, 'Inept', what do you eat? Those calories that you expend sitting on your rear end arguing on SA... where do they come from? What do the farmers who produce them look like? Have you ever grown your own food? Haha... living like a farmer... what a joke...

I don't understand why one would want to emulate third world subsistence farmers. I've met a lot of ex-subsistence farmers on my ~*extensive frugal travels*~ but very few people looking to get into subsistence farming... I wonder why?

Also, having done WWOOF: unless you have specific interest in the agriculture of your destination, or you don't do leisure time, doing WWOOF in a low cost-of-living country makes zero sense. You can find sub minimum wage agricultural labor anywhere, and it's similar in character no matter the location, so given that you intend to spend a certain amount of hours at work and a certain amount of hours at leisure per year, why not do your labor in a country that will pay you a high rate for it and spend your leisure time in a country with low wages and cheap cost of living? My compensation for WWOOF could be generously valued at €3 / hr. Now I realize with the opportunity cost of missing days of work in my home country factored in, WWOOFing actually increased my costs on spending a free hour in a foreign country.

Scenty
Feb 8, 2008


I went to Nicaragua for 2 weeks as part of a school program and we did some rural home stays. It was pretty cool but if I went back I would stay at a resort. Some people want to relax and be pampered on vacation, it doesn't mean they hate brown people. Get a grip.

Blinkman987
Jul 10, 2008

Gender roles guilt me into being fat.
Dad - Good with money/bad with money. Our mom died, went and bought a new house at peak bubble. Bad. Dates lots of women, makes decent money, won't marry any of them because they're often broke. Good.

Grandparents - Good with money/bad with money. Lived it up while grandpa worked on an excellent salary, got to travel on business with his wife in tow often. Free trips abroad. Good. Currently buying new appliances and other unnecessary conveniences because they're at the end of their life. Good. Grandpa's body is strong, mind is nearly shot. Going to require lots of hospice care where businesses figured out that you can't take it with you, so they may as well send you penniless to the grave. Bad, and if I ever get superpowers, first thing I'm doing is finding and throwing all those hospice care headquarters into the loving sun.

Uncle - Good with money. Rich, retired in a double-wide trailer because gently caress it. Also dates around, won't marry any of these ladies who figure out that he's rich because that's his money. Good.

So, basically, I guess being good with money is spending reasonably while living and when close to the end, doing everything in your power to make sure the organizations or people you care about get your money and not some piece of poo poo.

legsarerequired
Dec 31, 2007
College Slice

Anne Whateley posted:

Just curious, what's like a normal but sane vacation? I always do it the cheap way -- Southwest sale flight to another state, then stay at a friend's. That's really fun, but it seems like my peers are all globetrotters. How does that work, are they all going into debt or being bankrolled by their parents or what? Or is it normal to drop a few thousand on vacation every year?

This is 20s, no kids, decent job, NYC.

This was me a few years ago, and while I had some amazing experiences, I was definitely bad with money. I'm paying off the last of my credit card this month.

Good things I Did:
- Stayed in hostels instead of hotels, used discount hotel websites to book rooms
- Collected airline points
- Walked instead of taking taxis
- Made my own tours instead of buying pre-packaged tours, saving a little bit of money

Bad Things I Did:
- Ended up racking $4000 in debt
- Once I paid $1500 off on my credit card so it wasn't maxed out. Then I almost immediately bought a plane ticket to India, maxing it out again.

People never talk about the trouble they're in.

lord1234
Oct 1, 2008
My wife and I recently stayed in Playa Del Carmen for around 350 a day airfare included. You are being bad at finding deals. If you need help I can clue you in to our travel agent.

Yes, one can stay on a resort and spend 1000s a day but one can do similar for a few hundred a day, all inclusive.

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

IAMKOREA posted:

'Do whatever you want' is how the Europeans genocided the Native Americans. Doing whatever you want is not a good thing. gently caress off.

Edit: Have a story to tell? No one gives a gently caress about your stories. gently caress your boring stories. What will his story be about? The time he spent $1000 a day to insulate himself from the Mexican people? The time he went and saw a pyramid, but fortunately didn't have to talk to a brown person?

So wait, I thought white people hanging out with the brown was a good thing, now we're going to kill them all? This is confusing.

Also no one gives a gently caress about your stories, opinions or income. Yet here you are. :iiam:

Duckman2008
Jan 6, 2010

TFW you see Flyers goaltending.
Grimey Drawer

legsarerequired posted:

This was me a few years ago, and while I had some amazing experiences, I was definitely bad with money. I'm paying off the last of my credit card this month.

Good things I Did:
- Stayed in hostels instead of hotels, used discount hotel websites to book rooms
- Collected airline points
- Walked instead of taking taxis
- Made my own tours instead of buying pre-packaged tours, saving a little bit of money

Bad Things I Did:
- Ended up racking $4000 in debt
- Once I paid $1500 off on my credit card so it wasn't maxed out. Then I almost immediately bought a plane ticket to India, maxing it out again.

People never talk about the trouble they're in.

Travel is what my wife and I do. We have enough to pay for it, but it definitely slows down on say, paying off my car faster.

If you can muster it, driving is always just way cheaper for two people than flying, it just obviously takes more time as a result. And we do stay with friends when we can, but travel is travel, we will stay at hotels and it's our get away so I'm ok with the expense.

But our biggest weakness is spending while traveling, so we have to work on that one.

Pompous Rhombus
Mar 11, 2007
Re: WWOOFing - I'm moving to Australia for grad school soon and was looking in to a site called HelpX, which is basically the same as WWOOFing but with a more broad range of duties (it's mostly farm work, but there are some people in cities who just want help with chores and stuff around the house, occasionally minding kids, etc). Most of the ads I've seen want at least 25 hours a day for room and board, which is pretty terrible in comparison to what the pay for working an actual job those hours would get you, but if you're a transient backpacker on a Working Holiday visa, it's a good way to defray the cost of traveling in a relatively expensive country like Australia.

I'm actually planning to do it, at least for a couple of weeks before my program starts, just so I can be kinda choosy about the longer-term accommodation and not worry about burning money at a hostel (or having someone nick my stuff) while I'm looking. I've considered doing it for the entire first year of my program if I can't find any kind of part-time work (unemployment there is like ~11%, so this is very possible) and find a host that's agreeable. Wouldn't be as good as working, but it'd still save me a decent amount of money on rent. Working would be vastly preferable, though.

legsarerequired posted:

People never talk about the trouble they're in.

Yeah, I think a lot of it is social media smoke and mirrors. A month or two back in the thread someone linked to a woman in her 20's who was basically taking out credit cards and using them to buy their plane tickets, and counting on getting a job doing a working holiday in Australia to pay it back. I have two Facebook friends who are basically traveling for leisure all of the time: one of them comes from old money, the other one I genuinely have no clue about how she manages it, and it seems rude to ask.

I traveled a lot in my early 20's as a college student, but it was either directly for school (internships, study abroad) or piggybacking directly off of those to go backpacking in cheap countries. As a student I was able to leverage my financial aid (had my tuition/books covered, plus received a few thousand per semester on top of that) and the subsidized cost of study abroad programs certainly helped. The Honors college I was a part of wanted to encourage study abroad so they'd cover $500 towards each plane ticket too. There are a *ton* of opportunities for students to travel/go abroad, I can't recommend seizing as many of them as you can enough.

Renegret
May 26, 2007

THANK YOU FOR CALLING HELP DOG, INC.

YOUR POSITION IN THE QUEUE IS *pbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbt*


Cat Army Sworn Enemy

flynt posted:

I take a 2-3 week international trip every year and I generally spend between 1750-2500/USD each trip. I pick my vacation destination based on what cheap flights I can find and do a good amount of research in order to keep costs low when I'm there. I could definitely do it cheaper if I stayed at hostels or lived near a major airport. Travelling is one of my financial priorities so I cut back in other areas like my car so that I can afford to take a trip every year. I don't have any debt and I'm contributing a decent amount to my retirement accounts so I don't feel bad splurging in this area.

I have a colleague who spends all year watching groupon for an international airfare + hotel package to pop up that interests him. I'll have to ask him what his plans for this Spring are, I remember he's going to Spain for a week and a half and it was really cheap. I want to say $1500 for the entire trip but I could very well be wrong.

Personally, that's not my thing. My idea of a vacation is not dumping myself in the middle of a country saying "good luck, don't miss your return flight" but I can understand how others find that enjoyable :shobon:

PathAsc
Nov 15, 2011

Hail SS-18 Satan may he cleanse us with nuclear fire

PISS TAPE IS REAL

IAMKOREA posted:

Wrong. Sorry you are a bad parent. I don't need to occupy my child, because I love spending time with (supervising) her. 'Supervising' my child is the definition of relaxation.

Edit: Also LOL at 50 dollars a day being what a penniless 20 year old spends. 50 dollars per day is the monthly salary in some beautiful countries - countries with cultures far more developed than those you will find in the US of A.

I love how this guy thinks culture is something that can be measured and compared like a technology and arms race. But it's OK, we're the bad people who don't understand the world maaaaaaaaan.

pig slut lisa
Mar 5, 2012

irl is good


Pompous Rhombus posted:

Re: WWOOFing - I'm moving to Australia for grad school soon and was looking in to a site called HelpX, which is basically the same as WWOOFing but with a more broad range of duties (it's mostly farm work, but there are some people in cities who just want help with chores and stuff around the house, occasionally minding kids, etc). Most of the ads I've seen want at least 25 hours a day for room and board, which is pretty terrible in comparison to what the pay for working an actual job those hours would get you, but if you're a transient backpacker on a Working Holiday visa, it's a good way to defray the cost of traveling in a relatively expensive country like Australia.

:eyepop:

Pompous Rhombus
Mar 11, 2007

Whoops, week.

Merrill Grinch
May 21, 2001

infuriated by investments

lord1234 posted:

My wife and I recently stayed in Playa Del Carmen for around 350 a day airfare included. You are being bad at finding deals. If you need help I can clue you in to our travel agent.

Yes, one can stay on a resort and spend 1000s a day but one can do similar for a few hundred a day, all inclusive.

Nobody's spending $1000 a day to stay in Mexico. That guy acknowledged he made it up on the last page because he's trollin' like crazy. I'm actually using Tripology to talk to some agents, but thank you for the offer.

baquerd
Jul 2, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Merrill Grinch posted:

Nobody's spending $1000 a day to stay in Mexico. That guy acknowledged he made it up on the last page because he's trollin' like crazy. I'm actually using Tripology to talk to some agents, but thank you for the offer.

It shouldn't be that hard to spend $1000/day. Private car and villa with full serving staff and harem would hit it pretty easy.

Bloody Queef
Mar 23, 2012

by zen death robot

Renegret posted:

I have a colleague who spends all year watching groupon for an international airfare + hotel package to pop up that interests him. I'll have to ask him what his plans for this Spring are, I remember he's going to Spain for a week and a half and it was really cheap. I want to say $1500 for the entire trip but I could very well be wrong.

Personally, that's not my thing. My idea of a vacation is not dumping myself in the middle of a country saying "good luck, don't miss your return flight" but I can understand how others find that enjoyable :shobon:

This is exactly what I did when I went to Ireland. $2400 total for two people for 10 days. Flights, stays in castles included most of the nights with the other nights being decent hotels and always with breakfast, and a rental car included. The hotel stays were preplanned out for us in a circumnavigation fashion, so we planned activities for the days based on location.

My only beef with it was the places we fell in love with we only had a day or maybe two in. But now we can return and spend a week there.

SmuglyDismissed
Nov 27, 2007
IGNORE ME!!!
Man did we just have someone go from ranting about somone not interacting with poor natives while on vacation to bragging about how much more rich and privileged they are than everyone else? I used to think 'limousine liberals' were a conservative boogeyman but I think we just found one in the wild...

slap me silly
Nov 1, 2009
Grimey Drawer
That was last night's drama. Today is a new day, with totally new and different topics of conversation ripe for the plucking. Hint hint.

Haifisch
Nov 13, 2010

Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!



Taco Defender
Mexico? What Mexico? All I know is r/personalfinance.

http://www.reddit.com/r/personalfinance/comments/2ufbei/best_friend_in_170000_debt_asked_me_to_cosign_for/ posted:

My friend has nearly $200k in student loans, almost all private. Many with 12% interest. She lives in downtown Boston with $1,300/month rent. She's going into personal training full time, which is probably not a six-figure career path (that's the only salary I can think of to justify $170k in loans - and even then, not really). She keeps taking out more loans to pay for certifications that she says will make her more marketable when she graduates this Spring.

Her latest decision is to move to San Francisco next year, since there are bigger opportunities in the health & wellness field there. Her goal is to land a job with Google as an on-site trainer making $80k/year. I have no idea if this is the norm, as I don't know much about San Fran or the wellness field in general. She wants to live in a SF studio at around $2,700/month.

Since she's young, she needs a cosigner, and her parents are very poor. So she has asked me to cosign, and I want to be there to help make her dreams come true. But this is a lot of debt (which she calls "not even $200k"), and I don't know if her goals are totally realistic. I want to support her as a friend 100%, I just don't think this is a smart idea.

Beyond the cosigning dilemma, I'm really worried about her financial situation in general. I'm afraid she doesn't understand the long-term ramifications of this kind of debt. I don't know how to share these concerns with her without jeopardizing my place as a trusted friend. I've gently tried to help along the way, like convincing her she doesn't need an iPhone with monthly data plan, or explaining that $80k salary will not equate to taking home $80k per year (especially in SF where local + federal taxes would be around 30%)

Any ideas on sitting down and having a more serious discussion, without making her feel like I'm attacking her dream? I just really don't think I can cosign for this.

Thank you

ohgodwhat
Aug 6, 2005

Going with a "nice guy" here, who wants to bang his friend but is more likely to pick up a nice vacation apartment in SF. Who the gently caress else would even think of cosigning on a friend's apartment?

paperchaseguy
Feb 21, 2002

THEY'RE GONNA SAY NO
"I just really don't think I can cosign" for some future bankruptee's 200k printer, jesus, what kind of friend are you

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Blinkman987
Jul 10, 2008

Gender roles guilt me into being fat.
$80k in San Francisco lol. And she already lives in Boston. Jesus christ. Do people really do this? They co-sign for loans, much less loans with friends who show terrible financial instincts?

The only way to fly is on a credit card company's dime, obviously. With the way non-Amex cards allow you to requalify for bonuses, it's a wonder why anybody with decent credit rating pays for flights.

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