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after doing a lot of configuration management I wish everyone just used the one format. ini or toml or whatever i don't care.
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Feb 1, 2015 05:54
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my stepdads beer posted:after doing a lot of configuration management I wish everyone just used the one format. ini or toml or whatever i don't care. xml
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Feb 1, 2015 06:30
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my stepdads beer posted:after doing a lot of configuration management I wish everyone just used the one format. ini or toml or whatever i don't care. plists XML, OpenStep ASCII, and binary interchangeably
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Feb 1, 2015 08:45
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is there any real benefit to the xml plist format over the old ns ascii or was it just succumbing to circa y2k software fashion
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celeron 300a posted:Multitouch on my asus laptop works just fine. In fact, everything on my asus laptop works fine under Linux, even suspend. how about it reducing your battery to life to just under 2 hours
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hmm, centos for webserver and a few minor apps, or ubungu/debian/fedora/gentoo/slack ?
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centos was pretty good when i last used a digitalocean vps pick what you're more comfortable with i guess
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debian/ubungu then, or maybe centos, learning redhat cjing wouldn't hurt
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BobHoward posted:is there any real benefit to the xml plist format over the old ns ascii or was it just succumbing to circa y2k software fashion it supports Unicode text and the content is fully typed, so no ambiguity about whether an object should be interpreted as a string or an integer or a date or whatever. the OpenStep format had just strings, arrays, and dictionaries; the XML and binary formats also support several different numeric types, booleans, dates, data blobs, and so on. that doesn't mean the XML plist format isn't terrible XML. I wish there was an "OpenStep plus" format or something that just removed the ambiguity and added Unicode. (no, JSON isn't it, though that's still better than INI files and similar poo poo)
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Subjunctive posted:what could explain that? its a warmer signal without all the sharp overtones
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kalstrams posted:debian/ubungu then, or maybe centos, learning redhat cjing wouldn't hurt it's all very similar these days. debian will be getting systemd next version so may as well learn it now with centos7
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my stepdads beer posted:it's all very similar these days. debian will be getting systemd next version so may as well learn it now with centos7
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Feb 1, 2015 14:06
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Symbolic Butt posted:I still hate centos for having ridiculously old packages with subtle bugs in it i tried to yum update my centos vm and got a kernel panic for my trouble, linux lol
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i liked the install process for centos 7 but i had to fight the urge to add all available packages in one go instead of just picking the ones i wanted because fuuuuuuuuuuuck there must be a few thousand in there
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Feb 1, 2015 19:25
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ive been using ubuntu on my vms recently because im tired of yum and the rhel repos in general. wanna install nginx, no go. apache is enterprise grade. wanna install basically anything made in the last 20 years, epel bitch!! wanna install hhvm on centos 7. u compile the whole loving thing
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wait, apache and nginx are problems on centos, for personal use?
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nginx isnt on the centos repos period, you have to add the official nginx repo. and apache is poo poo never use it
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ok i guess i added it for ubuntu too lol  add-apt-repository -y ppa:nginx/stable
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pram posted:nginx isnt on the centos repos period, you have to add the official nginx repo. and apache is poo poo never use it last time i hosted website was in, uhm, 2005 i think, when i was running private server in mu online
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saucepanman posted:i liked the install process for centos 7 but i had to fight the urge to add all available packages in one go instead of just picking the ones i wanted because fuuuuuuuuuuuck there must be a few thousand in there pram posted:ive been using ubuntu on my vms recently because im tired of yum and the rhel repos in general. wanna install nginx, no go. apache is enterprise grade. wanna install basically anything made in the last 20 years, epel bitch!! wanna install hhvm on centos 7. u compile the whole loving thing this is the #1 problem with linux, it's loving stupid that distributions "package" applications on behalf of their authors. the result is this, where (a) installing the os is a hell of a lot more complex than it ought to be because you're installing potentially thousands of apps and (b) it can be a nightmare to install what you want anyways also (c) dll hell, that phenomenon which open source beardos mocked windows for in the 90s, actually still exists in some form on linux in 2015, i despair of the yolotd
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Feb 1, 2015 19:39
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kalstrams posted:nginx repo sounds like solvable problem, and uhm, time to get better at nginx i guess the problem with apache is, it comes default in prefork mpm which is total poo poo. and no one ever changes it. i have literally never seen it deployed in any other mode. it has an event mpm like nginx but it may as well not exist
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pram posted:the problem with apache is, it comes default in prefork mpm which is total poo poo. and no one ever changes it. i have literally never seen it deployed in any other mode. it has an event mpm like nginx but it may as well not exist mod_php only works reliably with prefork because php is poo poo
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BobHoward posted:this is the #1 problem with linux, it's loving stupid that distributions "package" applications on behalf of their authors. the result is this, where (a) installing the os is a hell of a lot more complex than it ought to be because you're installing potentially thousands of apps and (b) it can be a nightmare to install what you want anyways do you prefer the windows model, where every application author shits out an msi that does random things to your filesystem, and you have hundreds of duplicate copies of libraries in unknown paths? BobHoward posted:also (c) dll hell, that phenomenon which open source beardos mocked windows for in the 90s, actually still exists in some form on linux dll hell only exists on linux if you're an idiot who doesn't understand rpath / ld.so it's only even possible to gently caress this up by running "./configure; make; make install" without setting a prefix. so if you don't know what you're doing, don't do that. (as a corollary, this means you can't use rubygems/pypi/cpan either. you can thank me later)
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:do you prefer the windows model, where every application author shits out an msi that does random things to your filesystem, and you have hundreds of duplicate copies of libraries in unknown paths? as an apple cultist, i prefer the model where application authors can poo poo out self contained applications that stick everything inside a single bundle directory that can go absolutely anywhere on the fs without breaking or interfering with anybody else's app bundle quote:dll hell only exists on linux if you're an idiot who doesn't understand rpath / ld.so lol. merely by installing rpms i have run into dll probs that required manual fuckery inside /usr/lib/ (and of course also /usr/lib64/ because core linux developers are collectively so loving dumb about adopting outside ideas theyve refused to copy one of the most basic osx features, fat binaries)
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:mod_php only works reliably with prefork because php is poo poo I thought fastcgi was the way to go there, in because mod_php is as you say Notorious b.s.d. posted:it's only even possible to gently caress this up by running "./configure; make; make install" without setting a prefix. so if you don't know what you're doing, don't do that. (as a corollary, this means you can't use rubygems/pypi/cpan either. you can thank me later) "if you don't know what you're doing, don't use the defaults"
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you should be using php-fpm or hhvm if u need php. but you only need an http server as a proxy, and nginx is the best at that. just give it up apache yr poo poo sux
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Subjunctive posted:"if you don't know what you're doing, don't use the defaults" the default is to install things provided by the package manager if you don't know what the gently caress you're doing, stick to the package manager, don't loving compile it yourself and install stuff in random places
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pram posted:you should be using php-fpm or hhvm if u need php. but you only need an http server as a proxy, and nginx is the best at that. just give it up apache yr poo poo sux apache is a perfectly good proxy, log generator, url rewriter for your poo poo on localhost what it sucks at is caching and load balancing. but for those i have haproxy and varnish
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lol. lets make up for the fact that apache is poo poo by throwing varnish in front of it
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BobHoward posted:lol. merely by installing rpms i have run into dll probs that required manual fuckery inside /usr/lib/ (and of course also /usr/lib64/ because core linux developers are collectively so loving dumb about adopting outside ideas theyve refused to copy one of the most basic osx features, fat binaries) so you downloaded a random rpm off the internet and you're surprised that making GBS threads all over the filesystem breaks stuff? good job
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pram posted:lol. lets make up for the fact that apache is poo poo by throwing varnish in front of it apache is never the problem (it's the slow lovely applications behind apache  )
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i can do load balancing, caching and proxying with nginx. but why?? when i can use three different things all with completely different configuration *tends to artisanal vcl files*
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Why is apache bad and nginx good A friend of mine installed nginx on his app server because it was the cool and hipster thing to do I installed apache on my own unrelated server because if it ain't broke don't fix it Guess which one of those two http server projects got a remote code execution exploit a couple of months later
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because like i said, apache comes in prefork which means each child is single threaded and blocked for the entire duration of the request. nginx does practically everything better, and isnt vulnerable to ancient poo poo like slowloris http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slowloris_%28software%29
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since my apache knowledge is apparently outdated, i have question about databases too. myslq or postgresql
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