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Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

Jonny 290 posted:

alias all bash builtins to echo USE A PLANG YOU rear end in a top hat

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Notorious b.s.d.: Jan 25, 2003; by Reene

here's the biggest thing about bash: there's no usable debugger. i don't care how bad your perl, ruby, python is. i can always haul out a debugger and start troubleshooting it. not so much with bash.

the 3rd party bash debuggers, bashdb and friends, are terrible. and of course bash makes everything worse by abuse of subprocesses, which mungs everything worse than it already was, in your hacked-up not-really-a-debugger environment.

if you find yourself pulling out bashdb, you're probably better off just running bash with strace or dtrace and getting a list of all the files that are touched. it's not worth the pain to try to debug bash

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Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

or use a real platform where stupid garbage isnt an issue

# ? Feb 1, 2015 21:37

Malcolm XML: Aug 8, 2009; I always knew it would end like ｔｈｉｓ．

powershell

# ? Feb 1, 2015 21:39

Sagacity: May 2, 2003; Hopefully my epitaph will be funnier than my custom title.

Ah yes, Powershell. They're at version 4.0 now and you still can't recursively delete directories. Or, well, it may work sometimes.

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Subjunctive: Sep 12, 2006; ✨sparkle and shine✨

what's the powershell debugging story like?

# ? Feb 1, 2015 22:11

leftist heap: Feb 28, 2013; Fun Shoe

I've found the PS ISE to be very suiting of my needs.

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Wheany: Mar 17, 2006; Spinya^{ha^{ha^haha}ha}ha_{ha_{ha_haha}ha}ha!; Doctor Rope

more like

powers

hell

:dukedog:

# ? Feb 1, 2015 22:21

Malcolm XML: Aug 8, 2009; I always knew it would end like ｔｈｉｓ．

rrrrrrrrrrrt posted:

I've found the PS ISE to be very suiting of my needs.

Subjunctive posted:

what's the powershell debugging story like?

built inot the ISE

# ? Feb 1, 2015 22:26

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

Subjunctive posted:

error handling, susceptibility to cyclic garbage, and the class system.

I thought we were talking about Perl, not neoliberal economic policy

# ? Feb 2, 2015 00:02

Soricidus: Oct 21, 2010; freedom-hating statist shill

Subjunctive posted:

error handling, susceptibility to cyclic garbage, and the class system.

Mr Dog posted:

I thought we were talking about Perl, not neoliberal economic policy

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UncleBlazer: Jan 27, 2011

God drat.

# ? Feb 2, 2015 02:12

Tiny Bug Child: Sep 11, 2004; Avoid Symmetry, Allow Complexity, Introduce Terror

Jonny 290 posted:

a plang with sigils in front of the vars, scalar/list/hash data structures you can nest in the sensible form, and semicolons at the end

i like php too jonny

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Maluco Marinero: Jan 18, 2001; Damn that's a
fine elephant.

Mr Dog posted:

I thought we were talking about Perl, not neoliberal economic policy

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VikingofRock: Aug 24, 2008

Mr Dog posted:

I thought we were talking about Perl, not neoliberal economic policy

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Dessert Rose: May 17, 2004; awoken in control of a lucid deep dream...

Sagacity posted:

Ah yes, Powershell. They're at version 4.0 now and you still can't recursively delete directories. Or, well, it may work sometimes.

it works fine??

powershell is fine if you Set-StrictMode your scripts

and the fact that you can interop with .net code seamlessly is amazing

# ? Feb 2, 2015 06:14

Dessert Rose: May 17, 2004; awoken in control of a lucid deep dream...

like you can just load a .dll you find in a script and start creating objects from it, it's goddamn wizardry

# ? Feb 2, 2015 06:15

pseudorandom name: May 6, 2007

wow, a strict mode

that's always a great sign in a plang

# ? Feb 2, 2015 06:19

Dessert Rose: May 17, 2004; awoken in control of a lucid deep dream...

pseudorandom name posted:

wow, a strict mode

that's always a great sign in a plang

it makes sense when you consider that it's also an actual shell, you want the behaviors it disables when you're in a repl

the horror is my coworkers for building large systems in powershell that don't work with strict mode on

# ? Feb 2, 2015 06:56

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

perl is fine, shell scripts are also fine as long as it's just a sequence of commands with no real looping or branching to speak of other than if [ -e $FILE] or whatever

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ultramiraculous: Nov 12, 2003; "No..."; Grimey Drawer

Mr Dog posted:

I thought we were talking about Perl, not neoliberal economic policy

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ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

rotor posted:

perl is fine, shell scripts are also fine as long as it's just a sequence of commands with no real looping or branching to speak of other than if [ -e $FILE] or whatever

it's okay the time for shell scripts has passed. we have goddamn unit testing now so your clown fucker script doesn't choke and bring down a system

# ? Feb 2, 2015 10:52

ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

"but my script just fucks clowns!"
gently caress you write unit tests

# ? Feb 2, 2015 10:53

ahmeni: May 1, 2005; It's one continuous form where hardware and software function in perfect unison, creating a new generation of iPhone that's better by any measure.; Grimey Drawer

special dispensation will be made if you are people like my rear end in a top hat coworker whose code was littered with the piss lord Ruby %[/usr/bin/gently caress clown] nonsense

# ? Feb 2, 2015 10:55

prefect: Sep 11, 2001; No one, Woodhouse.
No one.; Dead Man’s Band

Tiny Bug Child posted:

i like php too jonny

i do not care for the combination array/hashes they have in php. i'm more comfortable with those being two separate things

# ? Feb 2, 2015 14:38

Lysidas: Jul 26, 2002; John Diefenbaker is a madman who thinks he's John Diefenbaker.; Pillbug

i worked on a 10 kiloline shell script thing that did image manipulation and video encoding through many, many invocations of imagemagick and ffmpeg/avconv

it was absolutely horrifying: exactly duplicated code in if/else branches, calling out to bc a bunch of times to calculate positions since bash doesnt do floating point math, an 'smp" mode that ran everything with a & at the end and had race conditions out the wazoo figuring out if those subprocesses finished

half of this was terrible coding practice, half of it came from necessary hacks because shell scripting is so terrible. i thought perl's function argument parsing was bad until i realized that shell script is even worse, and i finally understood perl's idiocy of weak typing between strings and numbers

i rewrote the whole thing in ~400 lines of python, no more imagemagick but still calls out to avconv to actually do video encoding, turns out that having good data structures available (pillow images and numpy arrays as well as what's built in to python) makes a world of difference in how easy it is to do some things

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tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

prefect posted:

i do not care for the combination array/hashes they have in php. i'm more comfortable with those being two separate things

i'm alright with the hash/array being a uniform collection, it works out ok in lua and awk and a bunch of glue languages for automation

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MononcQc: May 29, 2007

You can give me a very broad array type as long as I'm also able to use more adapted and specialized data structures when I need them.

# ? Feb 2, 2015 17:21

Tiny Bug Child: Sep 11, 2004; Avoid Symmetry, Allow Complexity, Introduce Terror

prefect posted:

i do not care for the combination array/hashes they have in php. i'm more comfortable with those being two separate things

it's ok, php arrays are such a flexible and powerful data type that they intimidate some people who are only used to the limited "arrays" found in other languages

# ? Feb 2, 2015 17:28

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

Tiny Bug Child posted:

it's ok, php arrays are such a flexible and powerful data type that they intimidate some people who are only used to the limited "arrays" found in other languages

there are probably some people who get rustled by the idea of dynamic length arrays, or arrays that don't start at 0

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tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

there will some people who argue that 7/2 is 3, or that -7/2 is -3 or -4. programming :3:

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Workaday Wizard: Oct 23, 2009; by Pragmatica

tef posted:

there will some people who argue that 7/2 is 3, or that -7/2 is -3 or -4. programming

if -7/2 is not -3 or -4. what is it then :confused:

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Soricidus: Oct 21, 2010; freedom-hating statist shill

Shinku ABOOKEN posted:

if -7/2 is not -3 or -4. what is it then

-3.5, of course. did you not study math after the first year of elementary school?

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cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

Soricidus posted:

-3.5, of course. did you not study math after the first year of elementary school?

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Workaday Wizard: Oct 23, 2009; by Pragmatica

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MononcQc: May 29, 2007

Use Racket you plebs

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gonadic io: Feb 16, 2011; >>=

code:

Prelude> -7/2
-3.5

code:

Prelude> -7/ (2 :: Int)

<interactive>:3:3:
    No instance for (Fractional Int) arising from a use of `/'
    In the expression: 7 / (2 :: Int)
    In the expression: - 7 / (2 :: Int)
    In an equation for `it': it = - 7 / (2 :: Int)

e: apparently spoiler tags don't work for code blocks

# ? Feb 2, 2015 19:27

Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

What's sqrt 2 then

I know where you FP weenies are going with this and it's just as arbitrary a delineation as transparent bignum promotion.

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gonadic io: Feb 16, 2011; >>=

no that's my point, that it kind of looks like it works in the repl but it actually doesn't. int/int = int, but in the repl when using the literals they get silently interpreted as floats instead. in actual code it wouldn't work either.

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MononcQc: May 29, 2007

Mr Dog posted:

What's sqrt 2 then

Mr Dog posted:

I know where you FP weenies are going with this and it's just as arbitrary a delineation as transparent bignum promotion.

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