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fozzy fosbourne posted:Is there any silver lining spin to exploding kittens? Is it possible that it brings any new people into the fold? My sunny disposition and awesome attitude makes we want to believe but I actually think "nope". Feels like the freemium of nerd games Most people in this thread started playing board games with Munchkin and Settlers. Everyone has to start somewhere.
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Impermanent posted:We effectively play Mage Knight with the PvP combat rules off, but we may consider changing that. For competitive play, I wouldn't be surprised if we started implementing some of the "screw the leader" options for dealing with whenever someone is able to pull ahead very early. Tekopo posted:Man, I want UvulaBob to come back now
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You know what freaks me out about Vasel and the annoying fat(ter) ADD guy is? They seem really creepily christian, this creeps me out so much as someone from a almost completely secular nation. Like that Sam dude talks about never having played and never going to play a warlock class in one game because it's apparently unchristian. Or him or Vasel (I forget) saying that he considers "shut up" to be a swear word he and his kids don't use. Also Vasels kids being homeschooled. Sam just feels like a huge duchebag lipservice christian RAWH RAWH wearing "funny" christian t-shirts. As a previous poster said though, I like checking out review for games when I'm at work or otherwise bored, and dice tower has pretty much everything.
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fozzy fosbourne posted:Is there any silver lining spin to exploding kittens? Is it possible that it brings any new people into the fold? My sunny disposition and awesome attitude makes we want to believe but I actually think "nope". Feels like the freemium of nerd games It's entirely possible but there are people out there that get hung up on games like this for long term, and have to be sort of forcibly introduced to better games lest they stick with munchkins/flux/kittens in a blender etc.
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admanb posted:Most people in this thread started playing board games with Munchkin and Settlers. Everyone has to start somewhere. That's not very fair to Settlers
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Sistergodiva posted:You know what freaks me out about Vasel and the annoying fat(ter) ADD guy is? They seem really creepily christian, this creeps me out so much as someone from a almost completely secular nation. I live in the American South, and thats just something I'm used to. I've played DND with people who wouldn't play a Magic-using class because Sorcery is ungodly. I've seen all the "funny" Christian shirts constantly. Heck I know full grown adults who still refuse to say "shut up" or "that sucks" because they are swear words. I don't think its creepy, just really, really, really dumb. If I wasn't inundated in it, I am pretty sure I would find it creepier than I do, but I'm just so used to that nonsense I barely noticed.
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The best thing about the south is the stories you have to tell people about it after you've escaped.
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Sloober posted:It's entirely possible but there are people out there that get hung up on games like this for long term, and have to be sort of forcibly introduced to better games lest they stick with munchkins/flux/kittens in a blender etc. Those same people would've had to be forcibly introduced to better games regardless. Kittens isn't going to make anyone more stubborn.
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Impermanent posted:The best thing about the south is the stories you have to tell people about it after you've escaped. gently caress Georgia
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I've never found Zee (the other guy in the top 10s) all that offensive, he's better than Vasel or Sam at explaining why he likes something.
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Impermanent posted:The best thing about the south is the stories you have to tell people about it after you've escaped. No the best part of the South, at least my corner of the South, is Cheerwine, Pulled Pork Barbecue (Vinegar Base), and Baptist churches selling Brunswick Stew. I say this as a liberal Atheist, but dear God, Brunswick Stew almost makes the hyper-Christians worthwhile. Echophonic posted:I've never found Zee (the other guy in the top 10s) all that offensive, he's better than Vasel or Sam at explaining why he likes something. I'll agree with you here. I still don't think he is all that good at it, but he is a far sight better than Vasel and both Vasel and Zee are much easier to tolerate than the Hyper-Christian, Uber-Grognard Stereotype given flesh that is Sam. Madmarker fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Feb 2, 2015 |
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fozzy fosbourne posted:That's not very fair to Settlers I'm not saying all those games are equal, I'm just saying that people don't have to be introduced to boardgaming with a top 10 game in order to become serious boardgamers.
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Echophonic posted:I've never found Zee (the other guy in the top 10s) all that offensive, he's better than Vasel or Sam at explaining why he likes something. Zee likes the most obscure games that I have never heard of. His opinion is usually the only one worth listening to just for how odd it is.
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Rutibex posted:Zee likes the most obscure games that I have never heard of. His opinion is usually the only one worth listening to just for how odd it is. I agree that he's the most tolerable and sympathetic. Speaking about down south, I'm acutally going to the US on a few days, and since everything is much cheaper compared to home, any games that would be good to pick up? I'm thinking stuff that's small and would fit in my luggage without much trouble. I was thinking about maybe getting dominion and ditching it's box, though I guess the insert is pretty nice for the different decks.
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fozzy fosbourne posted:Is there any silver lining spin to exploding kittens? Is it possible that it brings any new people into the fold? My sunny disposition and awesome attitude makes we want to believe but I actually think "nope". Feels like the freemium of nerd games I think part of the magic of board games is that, like Quinns said in a lecture he gave at a game con a few years back, they bring you together with people you love (as a friend, lover, family member, whatever) and actually gets you to engage them instead of just doing something around them like watching movies or TV. It even does this without the wonders of booze, which I think is also pretty cool - I say that as someone who drinks more than he should. Exploding Kittens, Munchkin, Fluxx, and all those other games have this just as much as Galaxy Trucker, Caylus, Imperial Assault, Resistance, and Tragedy Looper. In the (distant) past I've invited friends over just to play Munchkin for HOURS, and it was a nice social time where no one felt pressured to drink and everyone talked about their lives while playing a game. I wouldn't trade those memories for anything, especially since most of them involved a friend who had a falling out with the rest of us and I'll probably never see him again. I'm sure plenty of people will have similar experiences with the gross cat thing, and I think that's wonderful. But do I think Exploding Kittens will mean anything for us, the people in this thread? Will it do anything for game design, or bring new minds into the scene with new ideas? Do I expect it to excite otherwise bashful designers or people who couldn't afford to put life on hold to put up kickstarters or indiegogos, seeing the board game industry as a viable financial decision and not something they had to exclusively do as a hobby that might make them a few bucks? Almost certainly not, not in any meaningful sense or quantity at least. I've said it before but there's a ton of people at my weekly and monthly gatherings who are content to just play Betrayal at the whatever and Munchkin and in over a year haven't expressed any interest in playing anything else except MAYBE another similar game like Fluxx or this game I can't remember where you're trying to get party guests for a monster party or something. Cool, that's fine, they're getting that same wonderful experience I outlined in the first paragraph, but I don't for a second believe that there's going to be more than a handful of groups who backed the KS and, after playing Kitten's Game for a month, decide to hit up BGG and scope out the top 10 games or visit a hobby shop (and if they do the latter, they'll probably tell the person they liked EK and they'll instantly be pointed at the Munchkin isle because most board game shops I've been in are run by and for Magic players and the employees only have a cursory knowledge of board games). e: I do want to add though that I think The Oatmeal guy getting money is absolutely the worst part of the whole thing. That dude is scummy as gently caress and has gone out of his way to milk a couple demographics for cash strictly using Marketing 101 tricks and has no element of love in his work whatsoever. It's the same poo poo as companies that produce F2P phone games. And gently caress anyone who shrugs their shoulders and says "lol well that's business!" or "I'm glad those nerds are losing their money anyway." Countblanc fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Feb 2, 2015 |
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admanb posted:I'm not saying all those games are equal, I'm just saying that people don't have to be introduced to boardgaming with a top 10 game in order to become serious boardgamers. Okay, to give the Dice Tower a tiny bit of credit, I think the Viewer's Top 100 (or at least the top 20) is an interesting place for someone to start if they have no other idea of what games are good or popular. It's built on it's an aggregate of votes where each person get 20 points and you can vote a game from 1 to 20, but cannot give a game negative votes. Maybe that methodology is flawed, but it's better than just the opinion of an individual. Of course, anyone posting here already has a better resource at their disposal. If you're curious about the top 20 but don't want to subject yourself to the video, they are from 20 to 1: Caverna Descent 2 Race For The Galaxy Robinson Crusoe The Resistance Android: Netrunner The Castles of Burgundy Love Letter Power Grid Cosmic Encounter Carcassonne Small World Eldritch Horror Agricola 7 Wonders Lords of Waterdeep Dominion Ticket To Ride King of Tokyo Pandemic Sure, there are games on here the thread hivemind hates, but many people like them, so if you had absolutely nothing else to go on, that's a reasonable place to start.
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Impermanent posted:The best thing about the south is the stories you have to tell people about it after you've escaped. The slaves were freed 150 years ago, bro.
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Magnetic North posted:Okay, to give the Dice Tower a tiny bit of credit, I think the Viewer's Top 100 (or at least the top 20) is an interesting place for someone to start if they have no other idea of what games are good or popular. It's built on it's an aggregate of votes where each person get 20 points and you can vote a game from 1 to 20, but cannot give a game negative votes. Maybe that methodology is flawed, but it's better than just the opinion of an individual. Of course, anyone posting here already has a better resource at their disposal. I think that's a perfectly fine, diverse list.
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Magnetic North posted:It's built on it's an aggregate of votes where each person get 20 points and you can vote a game from 1 to 20, but cannot give a game negative votes. Maybe that methodology is flawed, but it's better than just the opinion of an individual. Of course, anyone posting here already has a better resource at their disposal. The only issue I have with this poll is I have to wonder how many people voting in it even have more than 20 games to give a score to. I suspect it's a bit self-reinforcing. Other than that it's really not a bad list for newcomers to go by.
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FISHMANPET posted:I watched one of the Dice Tower "Top 10" videos where it's the 3 neckbeards who each made their own top 10 list and they couldn't even really agree on what the topic meant (Top 10 games for 7 players, does that mean games where 7 can play even if other numbers are more ideal? Games where 7 is best? Something else? I actually like that aspect of it, the three of them will sometimes have interesting different approaches. A hilarious example of this was from their wargamer lists (the Top 5 lists / HAMTAG), when Greg interpreted "Top games of 2013" as "Top games you played in 2013" leading to the number one choice - Advanced Squad Leader (1985). It is also for this reason that their lists are not that useful as lists, they are only useful when you know how they approached the list and their individual comments on each. The Top 10 lists also avoid the problem of shilling, since they have no need to talk about the new hot thing in their mailbox. Sam, Tom, and Zee have an annoying tendency to hint at their games to each other and talk about games that almost made each slot, which wastes everybody's time. Judd Vance does a lot of talking about what his current choice is not, too, but will sometimes be prodded by the others to get back on track ("What about _THIS_ game?"). I did find a negative review from Vasel: Lagoon! He explicitly said he hated the game. Like Countblanc said, I was just wanting to hear a person talking about something I liked, but he didn't really say much anyway. I've not seen that many of his reviews, but they haven't seemed in-depth enough to meet that need.
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Lorini posted:We broke Lagoon so I have to agree with Vasel there. How? I was thinking of getting it.
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Countblanc posted:I think part of the magic of board games is that, like Quinns said in a lecture he gave at a game con a few years back, they bring you together with people you love (as a friend, lover, family member, whatever) and actually gets you to engage them instead of just doing something around them like watching movies or TV. It even does this without the wonders of booze, which I think is also pretty cool - I say that as someone who drinks more than he should. Exploding Kittens, Munchkin, Fluxx, and all those other games have this just as much as Galaxy Trucker, Caylus, Imperial Assault, Resistance, and Tragedy Looper. In the (distant) past I've invited friends over just to play Munchkin for HOURS, and it was a nice social time where no one felt pressured to drink and everyone talked about their lives while playing a game. I wouldn't trade those memories for anything, especially since most of them involved a friend who had a falling out with the rest of us and I'll probably never see him again. I'm sure plenty of people will have similar experiences with the gross cat thing, and I think that's wonderful. Yeah, makes sense. I was thinking about this recently, sometimes we are down on games that might as well be the equivalent of 3-4 people just getting together in person and playing the equivalent of a rogue-like*. Sure, there's random chance and bullshit, but occasionally something emerges from it that's interesting and it's something to do while hanging out and socializing. So in the same spirit as saying that reading ANY novel is better than nothing, the idea of young geek padawans playing this card game as opposed to playing Puzzles and Dragons or something is probably a good optimistic spin on this. But since you brought up Quinn, this reminded me of one of the early podcasts where he explained his distaste for Munchkin having to do with the fact that it's not inclusive because it identifies so strongly with (dated) geek culture. To be able to appreciate Munchkin at all, you have to get these 80's and 90's D&D tropes. If you don't, then you might get the impression that board games are unapproachable insular geek feedback loops or something. I wonder if some of that can be said with regards to Exploding Kittens, since it's so god drat internet meme 2000s. Munchkin and Exploding Kittens might go a bit further beyond something to simply play together because they are so .. cultural? Does that make sense? The other part that's probably me being paranoid is a fear that the kickstarter/zombies/monkeycheese/miniatures code gets cracked in the same way that mobile gaming did and it turns into some gold rush. *King of Dragon Pass, the board game, would probably be p sweet
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I think the difference between Exploding Kittens and Munchkin in terms of cultural relevancy is that "imgur and reddit poo poo" is basically loving synonymous with youth right now. Like, you could walk up to a wide variety of teens or college students and just say "SCIENCE For the win!" and expect them to laugh. That sounded a bit more derogatory than I meant it to, lord knows I loved plenty of dumb stuff (and continue to love dumb stuff), but my point was that Munchkin's D&D tropes and in-jokes are a lot more esoteric than EK's stuff. I mean, The Oatmeal was literally designed to be as meme-able as possible, it absolutely would not work as a product if it didn't have incredibly broad appeal (or a wealthy enough demographic, which young white people can definitely be but in EK's "defense," it's like $20 for the game so it's definitely quantity over quality here). EK isn't aiming at the Munchkin crowd and it was honestly my bad for insinuating it was. Munchkin lifers are probably going to love it, but it's definitely trying to cash in on people who play Cards Against Humanity more than anything else, and that's a huge demographic.
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Yeah, good point. Although, one could argue that EK is still going to exclude more people who don't "get it" than something like say Catan. EK has made me appreciate Catan more than ever, in a roundabout way. I guess you either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain. *me, quoting a god drat batman movie and talking about nerd culture* *nervous Vasel-like giggles* Related to playing cards with your best friends and becoming drunk on board games/high on life, One Night Ultimate Werewolf and the Daybreak expansion are shipping direct from Bezier games right now. edit: BGG has a survey regarding their proposed site redesign: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/boardgamegeek fozzy fosbourne fucked around with this message at 03:53 on Feb 3, 2015 |
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Lorini posted:We broke Lagoon so I have to agree with Vasel there. Did he actually have any actual criticisms of the broken bits? Out of the videos of his I've seen, the odd time when he doesn't gush about a game being fun because reasons and has something negative to say, the criticisms have been some of the weirdest poo poo I've heard from a reviewer. Like "Tash-Kalar has monsters being summoned by mages on the box but is actually an abstract so it's bad" or "dungeon lords is bad because its not a dungeon game, if its not a dungeon crawler dont put dungeon in the title". Like the way he critiques things makes me feel like he knows literally nothing about the games he reviews before upending the cardboard on the table and his weird expectations are conflicting with the reality of a given game. I've been kinda interested in lagoon from the random discussion in the thread (admittedly not interested enough to go and search it out on my own) but if it's actually mechanically breakable in a few acres of snow way that probably kills it for me
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Crackbone posted:So what happened to Paul on SU&SD? Did he quit/get booted/etc? He's currently lost in Vancouver, though he did say he'll appear in an upcoming video.
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Ayn Randi posted:Did he actually have any actual criticisms of the broken bits? Out of the videos of his I've seen, the odd time when he doesn't gush about a game being fun because reasons and has something negative to say, the criticisms have been some of the weirdest poo poo I've heard from a reviewer. Like "Tash-Kalar has monsters being summoned by mages on the box but is actually an abstract so it's bad" or "dungeon lords is bad because its not a dungeon game, if its not a dungeon crawler dont put dungeon in the title". Like the way he critiques things makes me feel like he knows literally nothing about the games he reviews before upending the cardboard on the table and his weird expectations are conflicting with the reality of a given game. I've been kinda interested in lagoon from the random discussion in the thread (admittedly not interested enough to go and search it out on my own) but if it's actually mechanically breakable in a few acres of snow way that probably kills it for me He did not. My problem isn't that he disliked it, just pointing out that he does have negative reviews. I think he didn't like the number of options you have each turn? I'm hoping it's not fundamentally broken too but I could definitely see there being tile combinations that determine the winning energy if they show up early or something, especially in a 2-player game.
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LuiCypher posted:And somehow Cosmic Encounter will end up at #1, every time, despite having little to do with dogs. Ah, what do I know, there's probably a dog race in there somewhere. While what you've written may in fact be true for the most part, and while Vasal is not a very indepth reviewer or strong reviewer, I simply cannot agree with your comment that he's "irrelevant" even though you so want him to be. For example: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/tomvasel/the-dice-tower-2015-season-11 His recent Kickstarter which just ended. This funded for almost $180k, which is up from $135k last year and almost $70k the year before. Whether or not you or I or anybody here likes him is not the point, the point is that he has a huge fan base, and it is growing more and more as the years pass. Also to say that he's doing it just for the "free games" is really a stupid argument anyway. Maybe he did start off like that, but at this point companies seek him out to do reviews, he's not "begging" for games anymore. Most people who are professional reviewers (which Vasal is, like it or not) don't pay for the product they review, board games or anything else.
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That reminds me that one of my friends backed that Dice Tower Kickstarter. Said friend actually has pretty good taste in games and is always trying to get people to play Terra Mystica. So it's not like his fanbase is limited to the chronically tasteless.
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