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Its hard to look at Hai because C9 won so much just on smart pick/ban and teamplay. I think Hai, as a player, is probably at his best when he can jump onto the enemy carry and kill them while absorbing cooldowns using zhonyas/deathmark/invis/whatver. C9 probably wins when he isn't feeding 9 kills to the enemy team and so they may do well with him on utility choices, but his champ pool is really bad sooo they sometimes don't have a choice.
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victorious posted:What makes you say he did well on assassins at worlds? C9 played 11 games at worlds; they lost 4 of the 6 games Hai played assassins, and won 3 of the 5 games he played anything else. And yeah he was 0 for 3 with Talon which is what people especially remember. I remember his Zed being quite good. Obviously not the last 2 weeks though. I guess I'm beating around the bush a bit but it really seems to me that the thread calling for Hai and Ball's head is unfair. Only Sneaky played well these last 2 weeks and it really seems like the team is failing rather than it being purely a case of Hai and Balls not showing up. I don't think the problem is Balls having a small champ pool or Hai being bad at assassins.
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Remember Hai's Yasuo? He was absurd on that champ. I remember in the first C9 vs XDG match of S4 Spring, he was CONSTANTLY blocking Gragas Ults with Wind Wall like a half-second before they would detonate, and you could see Mancloud getting furious everytime he showed up on player cam, it was amazing.
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Feb 2, 2015 22:16
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Everyone on c9 looks worse than they used to because they aren't miles ahead in pick ban and teamfighting anymore so they actually get punished for their always not that great early game, meteos can't get away with taking lane farm and as a result mysteriously looks worse than he used to, and so on. I really don't think anyone on the team is objectively worse than they were a year or two ago and sneaky is probably better. Also everyone looked great on yasuo, because yasuo was a game breaking piece of poo poo.
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AdjectiveNoun posted:Remember Hai's Yasuo? He was absurd on that champ. I remember in the first C9 vs XDG match of S4 Spring, he was CONSTANTLY blocking Gragas Ults with Wind Wall like a half-second before they would detonate, and you could see Mancloud getting furious everytime he showed up on player cam, it was amazing.
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Feb 2, 2015 22:51
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Flipswitch posted:There are many, many better Yasuo's than Hai's though. As my boy Keven said too, when the champ is busted as gently caress anyone looks good on them. Let us take a moment to remember XiaoWeiXiao scoring a penta against TSM in a game they lost, for instance.
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That's probably not the best example because I struggle to remember last week and it's only monday.
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MrTheDevious posted:The even worse part is that they could've kept qtpie and scarra, done just as well as they're doing now, and I'd still be cheering for them instead of giving no fucks what happens to the team Both those guys retired. How are you supposed to keep a player who's decided to voluntarily stop playing? quote:You know who I think leveled up the most at Worlds this year? Ugh.  He still won't just shut up sometimes. Not every second has to be filled with words! And goddammit, you can't just make words mean what you think they do because they sound "smart", or similar to the actual correct word. I guess sometimes he's not the literal worst. That's an improvement.
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Feb 2, 2015 22:59
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Actually every second does need words because awkward silence is worse.
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Invalid Validation posted:Actually every second does need words because awkward silence is worse. Not when the alternative is filling it with garbage tautologies and cliches. "Doing whatever they can/need to do/doing what needs to be done" and all the assorted plays on that useless phrase needs to be added to Riot's Dead to Language board. If that doesn't exist they need to make one. Those things stick in my ears. It's really poor broadcasting. The NA LCS's weakest link is its play by play casters. Like, worse than Crumbzz. Yes, I realize I'm a horrible rear end in a top hat about this. No, I won't stop beating this drum. It's extremely high up on my list of things that make a competitive event worth tuning in to watch. As actual thread input, I was much less impressed with Cop's Kalista than Sneaky/Doublelift/Wildturtle with the requisite easy to look good against a dude with no masteries caveat. I didn't think he will necessarily hamstring the team with that pick just because of how hugely useful that ult can be even if you just stand in place and auto attack, but it didn't feel nearly as fluid. Badfinger fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Feb 2, 2015 |
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Badfinger posted:Not when the alternative is filling it with garbage tautologies and cliches. "Doing whatever they can/need to do/doing what needs to be done" and all the assorted plays on that useless phrase needs to be added to Riot's Dead to Language board. If that doesn't exist they need to make one. Those things stick in my ears. It's really poor broadcasting. The NA LCS's weakest link is its play by play casters. Like, worse than Crumbzz. Yes, I realize I'm a horrible rear end in a top hat about this. No, I won't stop beating this drum. It's extremely high up on my list of things that make a competitive event worth tuning in to watch. Cop heavily carried that game when his team didn't have an easy in to stomp on people like those three did. All the Kalistas were facing a new player, mercilessly abused them and won off that. Cop had to face a coherent team and still was responsible for his team winning the game. He was every bit as good as the others.
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Not his mechanics though.
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Disinterested posted:Not his mechanics though. Did he have any mechanical gaffes that game, actually? Maybe one where he jumped against a wall but I think that was it. Or was that double?
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Transient People posted:Did he have any mechanical gaffes that game, actually? Maybe one where he jumped against a wall but I think that was it. Or was that double? That was cop, but not gaffeing is not the same as having top notch mechanics.
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Doublelift and Wildturtle are hyper aggressive at almost all stages of the game, and Sneaky is able to adapt to either safe or super aggressive whenever he needs to. I've never seen Cop make an aggressive play until after his whole team has initiated before, he sits around the back and then cleans up almost every single game. Being a Kalista god is such a waste on Cop because he'll never do much sub 30 minutes with the mechanics he's got other than maybe dodging a gank.
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aphromoo/doublelift when they landed the sick blitz/kalista double pull:
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Naw, I'm pretty sure this is the one you're looking for.
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If one wanted to catch up on EU games, it sounds like the ones to go for are UOL and SforgivenK?
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Fnatic and SK are the teams who are precise and very very good. Unicorns are ballsy and brawlsy and great fun. You can watch Elements vs Roccat if you are in need of a sleep aid.
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Well, gently caress. First major roster change way earlier than expected, and it's more or less one that the thread had called out. http://team-dignitas.net/articles/news/League-of-Legends/6587/Crumbz-steps-down-from-Team-Dignitas It makes sense given his performance, but drat, did not expect it week 2. There's 13 minutes of it, but it sounds like communication and coaching issues and the fact that people weren't listening to him were prominent in making the decision. Edit: "I was uncomfortable with the ability of my solo lanes. Even if I got them perfect ward coverage and it was a bully lane" wodin fucked around with this message at 03:05 on Feb 3, 2015 |
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"I did everything possible to help my solo lanes, I warded, I farmed bird bitches, I sat in a brush for minutes at a time while spamming recall, and baited the enemy team perfectly into fights deep in their jungle, but they did nothing with it."
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lol if only he had quit last year maybe they would still have a good core
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If he quit last year its possible he would have been TSM Crumbz. Would TSM Crumbz be the worst player in LCS? Santorin is doing really good support jungle BS, but I wonder if Crumbz warding would have meshed well with the current TSM squad. What strengths would he bring to the table? I bring this up because if he is actually off DIG then theres a huge chance he could end up actually on TSM if Santorin bombs somehow going forward.
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Dignitas is easily the worst team of all the NA and EU LCS right now. I'd say they need more than one roster change, but Crumbz out is probably a good start. Also, there's almost always roster drama by Week 2/3 of every single LCS split. MYM has some as well right now, yeah? It's like clockwork every season.
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It's kind of nuts because Crumbzz was probably the #2 jungler in NA for the first half of last split and now he's quitting and possibly was the worst jungler in all of LCS.
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Who would have thought that Kiwikid would be the lone survivor of the season 3 Dig team.
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Two players out of Dig because of team synergy issues. I think it's pretty clear Dig has been mismanaged for quite a while now, and that probably goes back to not getting the gently caress rid of Kiwi ASAP. It's not really surprising, Dig as an organization is kinda allergic to good management, happy go lucky is not a way to be consistently good at anything.
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The problem with Dignitas is ODEE and I sincerely hope they get relegated. I wasn't confident in Crumbzz ability as a player or anything but between Shipthur being a horrible teammate and average player and their two awful Korean pickups, he wasn't the biggest problem on the team. They don't even have a coach, the dude they're running out there is their former life coach. With this kind of mismanagement, Dig is never going to succeed.
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I'm catching up on some OGN/LCK right now and I'm struggling to remember the last good competitive game of Lee Sin I've seen (in any region). I think he's actually been nerfed enough now that he's a liability on a lot of even world-class players still trying to play him. Compared to like a Jarvan or Rek'Sai it seems no contest. I keep expecting teams to de-prioritize him but you still see him grabbed a bunch even though the games he's been in lately he's been totally flat. It's really hard to have any kind of impact early in these professional games and Lee Sin is the most early game oriented jungler in the entire roster.
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Libertine posted:I'm catching up on some OGN/LCK right now and I'm struggling to remember the last good competitive game of Lee Sin I've seen (in any region). I think he's actually been nerfed enough now that he's a liability on a lot of even world-class players still trying to play him. Compared to like a Jarvan or Rek'Sai it seems no contest. I keep expecting teams to de-prioritize him but you still see him grabbed a bunch even though the games he's been in lately he's been totally flat. It's really hard to have any kind of impact early in these professional games and Lee Sin is the most early game oriented jungler in the entire roster. A lot of Korean and Chinese players adopted Jarvin and Rengar since they've got much stronger mid-game powerspikes.
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Libertine posted:I'm catching up on some OGN/LCK right now and I'm struggling to remember the last good competitive game of Lee Sin I've seen (in any region). I think he's actually been nerfed enough now that he's a liability on a lot of even world-class players still trying to play him. Compared to like a Jarvan or Rek'Sai it seems no contest. I keep expecting teams to de-prioritize him but you still see him grabbed a bunch even though the games he's been in lately he's been totally flat. It's really hard to have any kind of impact early in these professional games and Lee Sin is the most early game oriented jungler in the entire roster. I think lee's best use is as a duelist right now. The one game I recall Lee really rocking it was when Helios killed a bunch of people on him.
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Lee Sin has been a top tier jungle pick since forever so a lot junglers probably default to him just as a comfort pick. The same thing was the case when Elise was nerfed.
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Someone said Riv has improved this season but I'm catching some of the games I missed this weekend and he just said "these are so... fights!"
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Are you suggesting that they were not in fact fights
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Yeah Riv actually sucks dick as a caster now. Its painfully obvious he's not actually good at the game and he has nothing insightful to offer ever. Whoever he's casting with always has to be charitable to him and agree with his statements so no one looks bad. He used to be the most hype caster and had that going for him, but everyone else has stepped their hype game up so he's kinda in an awkward spot.
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I hope everyone is enjoying this: Which is now deleted. Rekkles an immature and arrogant crybaby? Who'd a thunk it? Alternative (or simultaneously true) interpretation: maybe elements is a lovely team environment and that's why 2 AD's in a row have had an issue with it.
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i can't believe rekkles' tactic of "do nothing for 40 minutes then show up for one teamfight" isn't working.. it's probably everyone else's fault
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He probably shouldn't have done that as its not going to help the situation. But at the same time I think most people expected things to be better so its a frustration I can sympathize with. I mean in retrospect we can better see that adding Rekkles might not fix anything but don't think many people predicted this kind of listless play out of Elements (aside from Wickd's play, but that's business as usual) PlaceholderPigeon fucked around with this message at 12:37 on Feb 3, 2015 |
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Rekkles: I've made a huge mistake
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PlaceholderPigeon posted:. I mean in retrospect we can better see that adding Rekkles might not fix anything but don't think many people predicted this kind of listless play out of Elements (aside from Wickd's play, but that's business as usual) They're still 3-1 and in third place, and everyone knew coming into the season that they were a team with a one champ top laner and a reputation for dragging out games way longer then needed, so I'm not exactly sure how anyone can be surprised by their play.
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