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McSpanky posted:In Ruins everything sucks because Warren Ellis is an immature shithead wherever capes are concerned. Oh come on, it's not like he's Garth Ennis. Ellis is a snide shithead wherever capes are concerned. But sometimes that works! Like Thunderbolts, and other stuff I can't remember but probably exists.
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Feb 2, 2015 07:28
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The existance of Garth Ennis makes Ellis' cape work a lot better comparitively. At least Black Summer is really, really great even if Supergods and No Hero weren't.
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Feb 2, 2015 07:31
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Those had some great ideas and are worth reading though.
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Feb 2, 2015 07:35
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Cabbit posted:Oh come on, it's not like he's Garth Ennis. Ellis is a snide shithead wherever capes are concerned. But sometimes that works! Like Thunderbolts, and other stuff I can't remember but probably exists. Ultimate Fantastic Four was great. N.E.X.T.Wave is top tier Ellis.
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Feb 2, 2015 07:45
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Cabbit posted:Oh come on, it's not like he's Garth Ennis. Ellis is a snide shithead wherever capes are concerned. But sometimes that works! Like Thunderbolts, and other stuff I can't remember but probably exists. He can do capes at face value, too. Planetary is loving amazing, for instance. Ellis' best work definitely isn't cape stuff, though.
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Feb 2, 2015 07:49
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Bohemian Nights posted:He can do capes at face value, too. Planetary is loving amazing, for instance. Planetary had evil Fantastic Four though. That doesn't seem much like 'capes at face value' to me.
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Feb 2, 2015 09:30
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It inspired the Hickman fantastic 4 run so it's amazing 8mho
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Feb 2, 2015 09:35
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Daktar posted:Planetary had evil Fantastic Four though. That doesn't seem much like 'capes at face value' to me. Evil Fantastic Four who killed not-Superman when he was a baby, wiped out not-Wonder Woman and her civilisation and ripped out the ring from not-Green Lantern's chest. oh and they blackmailed not-Nick Fury into working for them. Planetary was pulps and pulp-sci-fi with just a soupçon of capes rather than a cape comic. As for Ruins I kind of like it now, but I read it as taking the piss out of nitpicking comic nerds by pointing out how horrifically wrong their favourite comic origins could have gone. First time I read it though I was pretty annoyed with the attempt to create a cynical nihilistic counterpoint to the hopeful tone of Marvels.
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Feb 2, 2015 09:46
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Evil Fantastic Four apparently killed some Marvel heroes as well. Captain America's shield was among their weapons, also possibly the infinity gauntlet and maybe Thor's hammer?
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Feb 2, 2015 10:37
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Wildstorm did have its own Captain America, the constantly reincarnating soul of George Washington. There he is killing Hitler.
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Feb 2, 2015 12:11
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Vengeance of Pandas posted:Wildstorm did have its own Captain America, the constantly reincarnating soul of George Washington. I don't know if this is a fair comparison, but nothing says "patriotic hero" to me like a flag tattooed on your face. 
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Feb 2, 2015 12:44
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Cabbit posted:Oh come on, it's not like he's Garth Ennis. WickedHate posted:The existance of Garth Ennis makes Ellis' cape work a lot better comparitively. 
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Feb 2, 2015 13:14
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Ellis's recent run on moon knight was pretty good.
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Feb 2, 2015 13:48
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I enjoyed it, but there was nothing about it that was specifically Moon Knight. It just felt like Ellis was given the assignment and then just took some stories out of his files and stuck Moon Knight in them.
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Feb 2, 2015 14:30
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Endless Mike posted:I enjoyed it, but there was nothing about it that was specifically Moon Knight. It just felt like Ellis was given the assignment and then just took some stories out of his files and stuck Moon Knight in them. Maybe that's not a bad thing. His six issue run was one of the best comics I've ever read and everything after he left has sucked.
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Feb 2, 2015 16:34
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prefect posted:I don't know if this is a fair comparison, but nothing says "patriotic hero" to me like a flag tattooed on your face. Well he was patriotic to the idea of America rather than the country. So he attacked Wall Street, destroyed the records of various major banks, shot a senator in the head and killed the Supreme Court Justices before they were able to stop him.
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Feb 2, 2015 21:32
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Endless Mike posted:I enjoyed it, but there was nothing about it that was specifically Moon Knight. It just felt like Ellis was given the assignment and then just took some stories out of his files and stuck Moon Knight in them. I don't know, the fact that Khonshu is the god of - among other things - nighttime travelers seemed to really inform several of those issues. He had Moon Knight kicking rear end for particular reasons, not just for the hell of it. The only issue that felt really forced, to me, was the "let's do The Raid as a comic book" issue but that issue was loving awesome so who cares.
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Feb 2, 2015 22:18
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McSpanky posted:In Ruins everything sucks because Warren Ellis is an immature shithead wherever capes are concerned. You are so dumb it's almost endearing. Almost.
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Feb 2, 2015 22:56
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Vengeance of Pandas posted:Well he was patriotic to the idea of America rather than the country. So he attacked Wall Street, destroyed the records of various major banks, shot a senator in the head and killed the Supreme Court Justices before they were able to stop him. Also, he was the reincarnating soul of George Washington. Edit: misread the part where that was already said 
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Feb 2, 2015 23:09
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Ruins is really the epitome of childish faux-maturity. It's like a greasy little trenchcoated manchild having a huff about how everything sincere and optimistic's for babies, man. Without Marvels, it wouldn't exist, and it didn't really need to. I'm also going to voice the unpopular opinion that Planetary is really self-indulgent. It's one of those comics-about-comics metawanks that has difficulty reaching any reader not already drenched in comic trivia. Because it's so meta, and so reactionary, it ends up with no coherent universe or stakes. It's cool moments are overshadowed by the fact that they happen in a complete vacuum. But this is the Badass thread, not the comic putdown thread, so let's post some panels!       Ragnarok #3
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Feb 2, 2015 23:27
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Squidster posted:Ruins is really the epitome of childish faux-maturity. It's like a greasy little trenchcoated manchild having a huff about how everything sincere and optimistic's for babies, man. Without Marvels, it wouldn't exist, and it didn't really need to. Is that Simonson writing Undead Thor? 
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Feb 2, 2015 23:49
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Welp guess I'm buying that.
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Feb 2, 2015 23:50
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Squidster posted:It's one of those comics-about-comics metawanks that has difficulty reaching any reader not already drenched in comic trivia. I don't really agree with that. Planetary is one of the comics I've sold the most, and I've gotten plenty of positive response from non-cape readers who read Planetary and loved it- often people who generally steer clear of superhero comics and don't give a poo poo about "metawanking", whatever the that is supposed to be.
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Feb 3, 2015 00:36
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I'm not going to lie to you - Ragnarok is incredibly loving metal on every page. Every splash panel could be an album cover.Bohemian Nights posted:I don't really agree with that. Planetary is one of the comics I've sold the most, and I've gotten plenty of positive response from non-cape readers who read Planetary and loved it- often people who generally steer clear of superhero comics and don't give a poo poo about "metawanking", whatever the that is supposed to be. Some of the more widespread stuff - Lovecraft, Batman, Holmes, still sort of hit, but if you aren't familiar with the Fantastic Four, the villains simply don't have any characterization in the books. Like fanfic, the author assumes we don't need it. The art's gorgeous, though.
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Feb 3, 2015 00:53
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Sentinel Red posted:You are so dumb it's almost endearing. Almost. I realized it was a gross generalization as soon as I typed it, but I don't care because really, gently caress Ruins.
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Feb 3, 2015 00:57
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Squidster posted:I feel like every issue was just references to cooler stories, with an often unnecessary dark twist. It's like an Epic/Scary Movie parody - "remember this cool thing? Haha, what if like, he got cancer and died? Haha he's a pervert" level stuff. It didn't add anything new, and it heavily relies on the readers having identical cultural experiences to the author. Drums was a pretty good take on 'connected' culture, though.
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Feb 3, 2015 04:56
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Squidster posted:I'm not going to lie to you - Ragnarok is incredibly loving metal on every page. Every splash panel could be an album cover. There was also the pages in issue 2 where Thor is calling to Mjolnir while kicking the poo poo out of a bunch of assassins which is probably just as badass as the pages you posted above. Ragnarok is really loving good.
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BlackCircle posted:There was also the pages in issue 2 where Thor is calling to Mjolnir while kicking the poo poo out of a bunch of assassins which is probably just as badass as the pages you posted above. Where can I buy it in dead tree format online?
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Say Nothing posted:Evil Fantastic Four apparently killed some Marvel heroes as well. Captain America's shield was among their weapons, also possibly the infinity gauntlet and maybe Thor's hammer? It also inspired this great edit: 
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Feb 5, 2015 11:02
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Honestly, that would be better with the original text.
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Feb 5, 2015 14:47
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Endless Mike posted:Honestly, that would be better with the original text. How dare you boil the Hostess Fruit Pie down to being a mere weapon?
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Feb 5, 2015 17:42
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Well they're sure as hell nothing I would want to eat.
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Endless Mike posted:Well they're sure as hell nothing I would want to eat. I once tried Hostess Fruit Pie as a child simply because of the ads. They were nasty.
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Feb 5, 2015 19:55
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SirDan3k posted:I once tried Hostess Fruit Pie as a child simply because of the ads. And they're like 500 calories a pop too. That's a small meal, and it's all sugar.
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CzarChasm posted:And they're like 500 calories a pop too. That's a small meal, and it's all sugar. Quick, convenient ENERGY!
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Sigma-X posted:Everything else seems comical, the "embarass the gently caress out of him" part is the only part that seems reasonable. "Give him a bat to even the odds" and "injure him exactly enough to subdue him without causing any serious injuries" are the bullshit manuevers there. To be fair here Gordon did, earlier, make special mention of watching how Flass fought and, you'll note, that the first punch we see Gordon throw is after Flass has swung the bat (and both miss) if Flass primarily threw jabs in fights, and if Gordon knew that Flass would swing away, and if Gordon was supremely confident that he could duck every swing of the bat, than throwing him a bat would not be a terrible idea: he negates Flass's quickness and throws him off balance for extra openings he wouldn't normally have. In superhero terms it'd be like Lex Luthor tricking some big eyed orphans into giving Superman a prop plane he'd be obligated to use so Luthor could escape easier.
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Duke Igthorn posted:In superhero terms it'd be like Lex Luthor tricking some big eyed orphans into giving Superman a prop plane he'd be obligated to use so Luthor could escape easier. I am visualizing this as a cover to a Silver Age story and love it.
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It'd be another Superdickery cover, with wailing orphans yelling WHY ARE YOU BURNING DOWN OUR ORPHANAGE? and Superman going "I MUST DESTROY THESE CHILDREN'S DREAMS! OR ELSE!!!!!"
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You know what is bad rear end, it's a super cyborg fighting a super ninja onepunch man 43
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Flesh Forge posted:You know what is bad rear end, it's a super cyborg fighting a super ninja Oh hey a OPM post to remind me it's been like a year since I checked for updates. There goes my afternoon.
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