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Doctor Malaver posted:Thanks. Would you maybe care to suggest the itinerary (like, spend an hour here, eat there, drive past that because it's not interesting, etc)? I'll check the penis museum. What museum would you recommend for history/vikings/ships? Penis museum also is cash only, as I remember. I think the national museum located at the university is the best insofar as history goes. Goes over a little bit of everything, and has some really neat artifacts. The Vikin Maritime Museum seemed to focus mostly on fishing, and a good chunk of it was dedicated to more modern fishing (a proud little display on the net-cutter as the only weapon invented in Iceland; designed to cut the lines of those poaching Brits). The Settlement Museum was kind of narrow in focus to me, focused intensely on the Reykjavik area.
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To be honest i'm bad at recommending tourist stuff, since i basically never do any of the touristy stuff, especially museums. Reading the thread will probably give you better idea than i ever could.
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Doctor Malaver posted:BTW whoever suggested no cash apparently never rode a local bus. They don't take plastic and they don't even return money if you don't have exact change. My apologies; I'm much more accustomed to the bus card system (it's the same in my hometown re: no credit cards/no change).
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Between Vik and Hofn (sp) we encountered two vehicles, and it's 270 km. it was the loneliest ride ever. You stop the car and turn off the lights and it's impetrenable darkness in all directions. Now I have a better idea how few people there are on Iceland.
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I'm drowning in end of semester work; I guess neglecting this thread just fits.Accretionist posted:I've read that greenhousing is A Thing in Iceland, but is there any sentiment about it in public consciousness? Do people care? Does political discussion feature talk of ag production capacity and hydroponic tomatoes and aquaponic tilapia? There was, at one point, a discussion about a possible large-scale state supported co-op but it fizzled out. also i do not understand the wurds u ar using Noctis Horrendae posted:What's religion like in Iceland? The majority of the population is Christian, correct? What denomination, and how big of a role does it play? Icelanders don't seem like the kind of people that would staunchly adhere to religion, somehow. Because the church is state run, they get state funding, and the current government, which cut hospitals, schools and benefits, decided instead to raise the funding for the church. People have been resigning from the church in droves with each scandal and if folks weren't automatically assigned to it through various ways I doubt they would be that numerous. The people that take religion seriously are weird. The people that worship republican Jesus are nigh shunned outside their circle; if you talk poo poo about gay people, or against abortions, like has happened recently with some Pentacostal members, they get poo poo from everywhere about it. An old PM is still mocked for saying 'God Bless Iceland' and rightfully so. MisterOblivious posted:That's called "Minnesota Nice" here in Minnesota. Same deal: we made all of our friends and connections early on and there aren't really any slots open for new folks. I generally tell folks moving here from out of state to find other folks who moved here from out of state as that's their only real chance at more than superficial friendliness. Doctor Malaver posted:I'm staying in Iceland for a week, with friends who live in Reykjavik. On Saturday we are renting a car and doing the Golden Circle and sleeping in a cabin in Stafafel. I'm worried it will be a stretch, seeing the Geysir and the Myrdals glacier and all the interesting stuff in so little daylight, plus getting to the cabin in time to eat and rest. Doctor Malaver posted:Between Vik and Hofn (sp) we encountered two vehicles, and it's 270 km. it was the loneliest ride ever. You stop the car and turn off the lights and it's impetrenable darkness in all directions. Now I have a better idea how few people there are on Iceland.
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Deceitful Penguin posted:I'm curious about what you mean by political discussions, because aside from how they get subsidized electricity, the only real discussion about it is about the old 'Choose Icelandic!' campaign for veggies, which mostly seemed to work. I appreciate being able to have fresh veggies and strawberries, though the test run for grapes sadly never left the farm (though Kitsch! did get to try some) but hey, ya can't have it all. What can you tell me about the co-op and its fizzling? Ag was just short for 'agriculture' so 'ag production capacity' just means what Iceland's currently able to farm. And... Hydroponics (this, specifically, is "Nutrient-Film Technique"):  Aquaponics: [Raise fish in Nutrient Solution Tank, too] And now for the thing that has me all excited about this:  quote:Lettuce See the Future: Japanese Farmer Builds High-Tech Indoor Veggie Factory (July 9, 2014) This kind of fully enclosed hydroponic facility is really amazing and allows for serious crop output anywhere you've got a stable electric grid, but it's costly. Our ability to do this economically in even so expensive a market as Japan is a very recent development. I'm asking about this kind of thing here because Iceland's electric and heating is famously cheap. You also lack arable land. Something like this permits year-round production anywhere you've got cheap, stable electricity and expensive food (Japan). Or a government willing to subsidize domestic capacity (Hong Kong). Iceland seems like it might have all three. Seems like you'd be a great candidate for pioneering this kind of thing.
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Maybe an odd question here, but when I was a kid I devoured Frans Bengtsson's The Long Ships (called Röde Orm or something in the original Swedish, I think.) Still one of my favorite books. It's a fantastically entertaining novel based on the style of Icelandic sagas, and one of the best books I've read in translation. I get the impression it is much more widely read in Scandinavia; I'm just wondering, are there any absolutely classic or quintessentially Icelandic novels that you would recommend? Nordic crime is getting(or is already?) popular in other countries, but I'm guessing there are a few greats that every Icelander would have enjoyed that might be floating around in translation somewhere. I also want a taste of that half sheep's head thing but it looks so peaceful sitting there.
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Accretionist posted:fascinating stuff Considering Iceland's substantial, if stagnating, Atlantic fish resources, and abundant fjords suitable for aquaculture, I doubt there is much need for aquaponics. Now, I might be talking out of my rear end here, but aquaponics also look like very high maintenance facilities compared to the relatively simple aquaculture facilities, which are usually just nets attached flotation devices. This kind of stuff is fascinating though, and makes me kinda regret going into humanities/teaching instead of engineering for fish-related purposes.
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inscrutable horse posted:Considering Iceland's substantial, if stagnating, Atlantic fish resources, and abundant fjords suitable for aquaculture, I doubt there is much need for aquaponics. Now, I might be talking out of my rear end here, but aquaponics also look like very high maintenance facilities compared to the relatively simple aquaculture facilities, which are usually just nets attached flotation devices. This kind of stuff is fascinating though, and makes me kinda regret going into humanities/teaching instead of engineering for fish-related purposes. I like to think of aquaponics as a fun way to turn some of the energy costs of generating nitrates into delicious fish dinners!
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Thanks to everyone for suggestions. I'm back from Iceland so here are some ramblings. + The best experience was random - we went to check the geyser-shaped church and happened upon a free concert of quire music, I think it was Friday 11/14. The music was a set of short and delicate pieces, very tender, sometimes accompanied by organ. It was made by a young Icelandic composer and performed by students from the music academy. The sun was coming through into the white interior and it was beautiful. If you know the guy please persuade him to put stuff online! + Despite the country's focus on tourism, we ran into problems with machines speaking only Icelandic language. Once I called a tourist agency and once a car rental, on numbers that were specifically given to us to call in case of any problems, only to be confronted with voice mail/answering machine in Icelandic. Also, gas stations don't have attendants, they are automatic - and the language on display is Icelandic. I don't know how similar they are to US gas pumps, but I come from a country where you pay at the register to a living person. Good luck filling that tank, me! + Rent a car and just... drive. It will look like car commercials. The scenery is beautiful and the main ring road is just the right kind - not boring like a highway but of good enough quality to be safe. + Check out Dead. It's a gallery (cash only) just off the main shopping street in Reykjavik. It's strange and morbid, but original. The guy who runs it and makes the art is the singer of Dead Skeletons. Neither his art or his music is for everyone but give it a try. It's psychedelic rock, not some run of the mill Scandinavian metal. + Icelanders seem to be cheap about giving complimentary food. Icelandair didn't give us a meal or even some crackers, which I don't remember ever happening on an international flight and this one was over two hours long. Also almost no tourist tours available at the Tourist Information Center offered complimentary snacks or drinks, despite being very expensive and lasting entire afternoons or longer. + If you want to go out drinking, plan it. Ask about happy hours to avoid paying €6.5 for the cheapest draft beer. + I really liked the selection of shops in Reykjavik's center. They are fun and original. I guess the city reserves these spots for local and inventive shops instead of giving it to the highest bidder which would probably be a corporation like KFC or Nike. + You probably won't want to miss the Blue Lagoon. It's close to the airport so it's best to go there directly from the flight, and then proceed to Reykjavik without returning to the airport. They have storage for large suitcases. It will save you time and money compared to going from Reykjavik. + We went hiking on the Esja mountain which was great and also free. I don't think you can reach the top unless you are an experienced climber with professional equipment, but even coming close to the mountaintop, shrouded in mist, with streams trickling down vertical slopes... was like approaching the mines of Moria. Deceitful Penguin posted:I actually wrote a short story about that. It is very Icelandic, when you feel the suffocating dark surrounding you, realizing that in the vast world mankind is small and the night endless outside our ball of light and life. When you're surrounded by forces so inimical to mankind, you learn to appreciate how important but fragile civilization is. I'd like to read that if it's in English. Doctor Malaver fucked around with this message at 12:48 on Nov 20, 2014 |
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Doctor Malaver posted:+ Despite the country's focus on tourism, we ran into problems with machines speaking only Icelandic language. Once I called a tourist agency and once a car rental, on numbers that were specifically given to us to call in case of any problems, only to be confronted with voice mail/answering machine in Icelandic. Also, gas stations don't have attendants, they are automatic - and the language on display is Icelandic. I don't know how similar they are to US gas pumps, but I come from a country where you pay at the register to a living person. Good luck filling that tank, me! 1. Some, but not all automatic gas stations have a language selection, and i think it's strange that tourist agencies/car rentals wouldn't think of having their phone system in english, or at least an option for english. I'm guessing no one working there thought of it. v0v 2. Esja is a very easy mountain to climb, and you really don't need any experience or professional equipment, just some nice shoes and warm clothing. I can walk up there and i'm in terrible shape. But generally i agree with most of your post, don't plan too much, just go out there is do whatever you feel like, it's what i generally do when i travel abroad.
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Yeah, icelandic gas pumps were an issue. Also, they wouldn't take my chip and pin credit card, but would take my dumb mag stripe only debit card.
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nm posted:Yeah, icelandic gas pumps were an issue. Also, they wouldn't take my chip and pin credit card, but would take my dumb mag stripe only debit card. If it only had chip and pin i get that it wouldn't read it, but they should all take mag stripe cards. It was only recently that we started doing the chip and pin thing and automated gas station already had mag stipe readers and needed pin so i guess they just figured "we don't need to do poo poo".
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Accretionist posted:What can you tell me about the co-op and its fizzling? Accretionist posted:Ag was just short for 'agriculture' so 'ag production capacity' just means what Iceland's currently able to farm. Aquaponics,like inscrutable notes (btw what up fellow humanities bro) seem like a lot of effort for something we already had going on with salmon and some other types, but I think only the salmon proved profitable enough. And now for the thing that has me all excited about this: Source This kind of fully enclosed hydroponic facility is really amazing and allows for serious crop output anywhere you've got a stable electric grid, but it's costly. Our ability to do this economically in even so expensive a market as Japan is a very recent development. I'm asking about this kind of thing here because Iceland's electric and heating is famously cheap. You also lack arable land. Something like this permits year-round production anywhere you've got cheap, stable electricity and expensive food (Japan). Or a government willing to subsidize domestic capacity (Hong Kong). Iceland seems like it might have all three. Seems like you'd be a great candidate for pioneering this kind of thing. [/quote]Yea, I remember reading this a way back and wondering about the same thing, but I haven't had a chance to talk to my farmer buddies since I did. The one I know best is a potato farmer anyhow, so it's not like this would help him a lot and the second best is mainly in strawberries, but yea, this is tailormade for Icelandic situations. I'll chat around about it, see if anything comes up when I meet some of my physical science friends. BUTT PIPE posted:Maybe an odd question here, but when I was a kid I devoured Frans Bengtsson's The Long Ships (called Röde Orm or something in the original Swedish, I think.) Still one of my favorite books. It's a fantastically entertaining novel based on the style of Icelandic sagas, and one of the best books I've read in translation. Aside from that, the only things likely to be translated to non-Nordic languages is crime fiction, which I don't really care for and therefore don't read. Hope this helped. The sheep head is fine, if you like meat I suppose. The thing to do if you don't like the look of it is to turn the other cheek and see if that looks better. Accretionist posted:I like to think of aquaponics as a fun way to turn some of the energy costs of generating nitrates into delicious fish dinners! Doctor Malaver posted:I'd like to read that if it's in English. Also credit cards are a dark sorcery that you can never trust, as I learned in Japan.
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Oh hey, the Dead gallery. I remember that place. That was where my now-wife started talking to the dude running it (presumably this Dead Skeletons guy) and asked when he opened the gallery, and he was like "very recently" and she asked what led him to do it and he said "well it beats having a job." Good times. I wanted to buy a skull shirt but we forgot about it on our second shopping pass through the area 
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My friend moved to Iceland because of the Dead Skeletons guy! He already liked Iceland and visited it a few times and came to the gallery a few days in a row because he likes that music so he discussed it at length with the DS guy. At one point he learned that the DS guy had five children. Since the gallery doesn't have many customers and the band is not very popular either, he asked him about the wife's job and turned out she was a housewife. Apologizing for the indiscretion, my friend asked the DS guy if he ever had problems providing for such a big family. "No.  "That was the final straw for my friend, he told his wife - that's it, we are moving to Iceland.
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dor1 posted:2. Esja is a very easy mountain to climb, and you really don't need any experience or professional equipment, just some nice shoes and warm clothing. I can walk up there and i'm in terrible shape. Are we talking about the same mountain? We got to X and that really wasn't a problem, but after that the terrain becomes much steeper. No way you could get to where the arrow is pointing in nice shoes. 
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Doctor Malaver posted:My friend moved to Iceland because of the Dead Skeletons guy! He already liked Iceland and visited it a few times and came to the gallery a few days in a row because he likes that music so he discussed it at length with the DS guy. At one point he learned that the DS guy had five children. Since the gallery doesn't have many customers and the band is not very popular either, he asked him about the wife's job and turned out she was a housewife. Apologizing for the indiscretion, my friend asked the DS guy if he ever had problems providing for such a big family. "No. Doctor Malaver posted:Are we talking about the same mountain? We got to X and that really wasn't a problem, but after that the terrain becomes much steeper. No way you could get to where the arrow is pointing in nice shoes.
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I was hoping to ask what traveling in Iceland would be like this time of year. Particularly in the next couple of weeks. I was recently laid off from my long-time job and was planning on taking the opportunity to travel for a bit before getting serious about the job hunt. Iceland has always been high on my list but I'm not sure if December is the right time to visit. I would love to catch the Aurora if possible as I'm a bit of a photo buff but other than that I would have no feelings of obligation to see everything on a tourist map, I'm much more about finding experiences that are authentic to the place I'm in rather than checking off a list of museums and landmarks so I'm sure if I go I'll be leaning heavily on you guys to help me find good things to do. I also love hiking so weather permitting it'd be great to get some good hikes in. I realize you only are getting like 7 hours of light a day right now which is why I'm questioning the timing, if I can fill the other hours with checking out the aurora and getting some cultural time indoors in then I'm sure I'd be fine. I'm coming from a place (Oregon) where the weather is probably just as cold if not colder right now and almost certainly rainier so I'm alright with that. Thanks in advance for any advice. If I don't come this season I'll definitely come visit soon.
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It will be dark. Check this out: http://www.enjoyiceland.is/Iceland_Information/Practical_information/Time_and_daylight_hours/ Basically, you'd be trading short/no daylight for a fairly good discount on accommodation. The season is also not the best for hiking, thanks to short hours of light unless your phone has a really good flashlight and you want that element of "falling down and breaking your legs" added to your trip. Aurora is random, thought its much more common in winter. You'd probs manage to see it; though depending on the camera it might not come out great. Honestly, if you want an authentic Iceland trip, I'd just recommend you get a car with good GPS, pick which part you want to see (this depends on how long you gonna stay) then find accommodation in some of the smaller places. This is hindered, again by the dark but even in twilight there's some incredible sights and seeing the pale sunlight reflecting of the snow in the mountains as the world descends into vague shadows, before finally being quenched behind the mountains as the light surrenders to the gloom of winter is something some folks might find nice. Oh and I'll be gone by the 5th and 4th is final exam for this season, so uhh, not really got time to show ya around well. Could give you a short itinerary and how to figger out a route of yer own I guess? Could give you some nice places to hike in the north, including through one valley that before the tunnel was built was completely abandoned by humans.
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MMD3 posted:I was hoping to ask what traveling in Iceland would be like this time of year. Particularly in the next couple of weeks. I was recently laid off from my long-time job and was planning on taking the opportunity to travel for a bit before getting serious about the job hunt. Iceland has always been high on my list but I'm not sure if December is the right time to visit. I would love to catch the Aurora if possible as I'm a bit of a photo buff but other than that I would have no feelings of obligation to see everything on a tourist map, I'm much more about finding experiences that are authentic to the place I'm in rather than checking off a list of museums and landmarks so I'm sure if I go I'll be leaning heavily on you guys to help me find good things to do. I also love hiking so weather permitting it'd be great to get some good hikes in. Reykjavik is not a bustling European metropolis - I don't think you'll find enough cultural content to fill all those hours of darkness. Museums' opening times tend to follow daylight hours (10am-5pm) so when you get back from hiking or a day trip they will be closed and I don't know how much you can do then except going to bars and restaurants. Also the offer of tourist trips/activities is smaller than in the season. During my week in November I saw aurora twice. First time barely, second time somewhat better but it basically looked like greenish clouds. Nothing remotely close to what you see when you GIS 'aurora'. It was impossible to photograph because it's so dim that you need a long exposure time, and yet it moves. You'd probably get a blurry result even with good equipment. I understand that the colder it gets the stronger the aurora is (so December is better than November) but don't be disappointed if you don't get a spectacle.
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I'm not sure where people get this idea, but Aurora's strength comes from solar winds, which have nothing to do with seasons. What determines the best aurora viewing is basically by three things. How dark is it out, the cloud cover, and then how much light is around you. Light pollution plays a big part in how visible aurora is. It's pretty impossible to see them when the sun is out, which is all day and night during the summer. So that's why it's not recommended to hunt for aurora in the summer. Here is a website which predicts aurora activity. The primary image is of the cloud coverage (dark = clouds), while up in the right banner there is a scale on how strong the aurora activity might be. I can say that 4 on that scale is impressive for an Icelander, but you need to head out to very dark place to see it.
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Thanks, that's very useful but kinda disappointing too. We were planning on taking a golden circle tour though so maybe we'll get to see it while we're out on it.
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So, anyone know about Christmas traditions in Iceland? I seem to recall reading something on FB talking about a tradition of being eaten by a Yule cat.
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ookuwagata posted:So, anyone know about Christmas traditions in Iceland? I seem to recall reading something on FB talking about a tradition of being eaten by a Yule cat. Look up the Yule Lads.
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ookuwagata posted:So, anyone know about Christmas traditions in Iceland? I seem to recall reading something on FB talking about a tradition of being eaten by a Yule cat. The one you're talking about though is the Christmas cat, who would eat any person that did not get at least one garment as a present during Yule. It was the pet of Grýla, chief she-troll (Ogress maybe?) who is mother of the Yule Lads and was also keen on eating kids, before it was made illegal. That is a thing in Icelandic law btw. It is literally illegal to scare children with tales of the Yule lads.
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What can you tell me about Glima? I'm particularly curious as to prevalence, perceptions and how similar it really is to Viking fighting styles.
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What's the social safety net like? Is it comparable to the other nordic countries? I heard you guys have a lot of american items in your supermarkets and stores due to the import distance/price being about the same from america as from the EU, is that true?
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Accretionist posted:What can you tell me about Glima? I'm particularly curious as to prevalence, perceptions and how similar it really is to Viking fighting styles. Basically it's been growing less popular through the years, though I'm not totally sure how much that popularity has declined. It's perception is, well, hard to say. It's one of those old folk traditions that they still keep doing; I guess it's a bit like playing the accordion? Not cool certainly but nothing you'd be ashamed of. And it is nothing like Viking fighting styles because it isn't meant to be a, aggression thing. As in, Viking did battle with weapons and didn't think poo poo like this was for fighting, it was more like armwrestling; a contest of skill and dexterity. I wish I could find the rear end old Olympics footage but I can't. Trier posted:What's the social safety net like? Is it comparable to the other nordic countries? And yea, there's a lot of American stuff here. Heh, GF tried Big Red for the first time in Iceland; she also told me that she recognized a bunch at the speciality "American" store as Costco stuff (Kirkland brand). In general you have a lot of American products, with Scandinavian products being prominent and the Asian markets with their own shindigs; but I think that you do see more European stuff here, just that we have way more American stuff than the rest of Europe so we seem to have more than we do. I dunno about duties on EU and US stuff and the comparison though; not in retail.
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I've never seen such a wide offer of Coca Cola as in Reykjavik. A small store with two cash registers had maybe 10 different products - plastic bottles of many sizes, glass bottles of many sizes, cans, and then also sugar free variants too. Over here a store of that size would carry 3-4 such products.
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I don't know why on earth they have that caffeine free one, that was the green one. Where you from btw?
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No, the caffeine free one is the golden one. Green is 'Life' which is 'Natural' and 'Healthy' 
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Deceitful Penguin posted:I don't know why on earth they have that caffeine free one, that was the green one. Where you from btw? Croatia, but I don't think I've seen such a huge Coca Cola choice in such a small store anywhere else, including the US.
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Jeoh posted:No, the caffeine free one is the golden one. Green is 'Life' which is 'Natural' and 'Healthy' Kinda baffling though. "From the Company that stole water from Indians: Ecological Cola!" Doctor Malaver posted:Croatia, but I don't think I've seen such a huge Coca Cola choice in such a small store anywhere else, including the US.
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Any comment? A new guard for Asgard: Iceland building first temple to Norse gods in 1,000 years quote:Icelanders will soon be able to publicly worship at a shrine to Thor, Odin and Frigg with construction starting this month on the island’s first major temple to the Norse gods since the Viking age. Personally, I think this is really cool. I'm particularly interested in the bolded section. An overtly non-literalist, self-aware approach to religion? Yes, please!
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Yeah I am kind of sad this did not exist when I got married there, as I would have been 1000% onboard with being married by a High Priest of Thor or something.
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Accretionist posted:Any comment? Hilmar is a chill dude, but I always say that given enough people and time we will have people starting to believe in the gods the old way, heh, they'll be Gods again I guess. Right now the country is both full of Christians and Atheist, with the latter growing fast thanks to better education and options as well as how utterly idiotically the church has been acting. Quarex posted:Yeah I am kind of sad this did not exist when I got married there, as I would have been 1000% onboard with being married by a High Priest of Thor or something. It would be remiss to mention that sometimes they can get a bit, ren-faire about the things they do, though' Hilmar is always classy.
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Paganchat reminded me of this: British Odinist fired for using "multicultural prayer room", gets told that his faith is "not real", but is vindicated in court. I wonder how declaring yourself a follower of the Æsir would be received in those unenlightened countries where most people assume that people have to belong to an Abrahamic faith system. I know that in Greece, pagans dedicating themselves to the Olympian gods tend to be discriminated against in a society where the Orthodox church has disproportionate influence.
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I need to convince a bunch of people that we should go to Iceland for our summer vacation. Help me out, it needs to be sort of an "active" trip, river rafting, horse riding, hiking etc. I hear iceland is good for these things but I know nothing specific. What's the weather like during summers, is it "hot"? I mean I realize it's ICEland but surely the summers have some warmth to them?
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Did you see Iceland.jpg? There's a little tourism chat here and there. Sample post: Quarex posted:Iceland Bestland
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