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SedanChair posted:They're certainly less dangerous to random citizens. Source?
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Jarmak posted:
 "The law is the law and it must not be broken, no matter how morally unacceptable it seems to some." -Average white person circa 1955 But less about pedantic circle-jerking over nebulous arguments and more about the police being naturally poo poo.
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Feb 3, 2015 08:01
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Everyday Lurker posted:
Enforcement of laws in a society is a necessary and vital function and not inherently wrong or flawed.
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Feb 3, 2015 08:28
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Grem posted:Source? I don't think that's what saying "source?" is for. Maybe you could ask me for a more detailed explanation. Do you want a more detailed explanation, Grem?
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Feb 3, 2015 08:31
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Everyday Lurker posted:
Yeah man, thinking that anytime anyone disagrees with the law they can't just break it is totally the same as thinking there's never any time breaking the law is justified. Also civil disobedience was totally not about violating unjust laws and facing the punishment in order highlight the injustice. Here's some other guys who thought they had the moral high ground when it came to ignoring the law: 
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Feb 3, 2015 08:37
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Everyday Lurker posted:"The law is the law and it must not be broken, no matter how morally unacceptable it seems to some." -Average white person circa 1955 I don't understand what outcome you're looking for. Do you want the police to be the ones deciding what causes are worth making an exception for? I'd much rather leave that up to a jury. Legality of protests is not important compared to brutality. It's generally a win-win for both the protesters and police when protesters are peacefully arrested. The problem is when police decide they need to go further and bust heads. hepatizon fucked around with this message at 08:48 on Feb 3, 2015 |
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Feb 3, 2015 08:45
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Jarmak posted:Yeah man, thinking that anytime anyone disagrees with the law they can't just break it is totally the same as thinking there's never any time breaking the law is justified. Pictured: 40 cops in hoods Edit: Reminder that the Klan was never larger or more popular in the US than when they made stricter enforcement of prohibition part of their agenda. It's actually super adorable that you think this photo is a symbol of anarchist disregard for law to anyone but your own deranged self. Woozy fucked around with this message at 10:56 on Feb 3, 2015 |
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Feb 3, 2015 10:36
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Woozy posted:Pictured: 40 cops in hoods Yeah, in the modern era the Klan is a bunch of loser rednecks in hoods, but in their heyday they were one of the most important, most powerful political forces in the US and had hundreds of thousands of respectable members including doctors, lawyers, cops, politicians, and so on. The KKK used to be "respectable", a notion that should forever dispel in any mind the notion that respectability is inherently good.
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Feb 3, 2015 13:02
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Feb 3, 2015 14:40
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Seconded.
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Feb 3, 2015 14:47
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facist pigs firing gas into a civilian thread ftm
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Feb 3, 2015 14:51
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Yeah wow that's two votes.
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Feb 3, 2015 15:05
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In summation, gently caress tha police?
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Feb 3, 2015 15:07
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Gas for what? Debate and discussion in D&D?
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Feb 3, 2015 15:54
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ImAMinister posted:Gas for what? Debate and discussion in D&D? Daring to mention that the Klan and the police used to be one and the same, I guess. Oh and I'll go ahead and anticipate the "RATM lol" response and go on to say that just because you say something in a song does not make it incorrect or irrelevant.
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Feb 3, 2015 16:46
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Wait, is that the controversy? I mean the Southern Poverty Law Center states that the KKK was historically populated by police officers, and even today there is evidence of police collusion with the KKK. Am I crazy or is this not historical fact?
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Feb 3, 2015 16:58
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Didn't various social media sleuthing out a ton of Ferguson cops as KKK members?
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Feb 3, 2015 17:04
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SedanChair posted:Daring to mention that the Klan and the police used to be one and the same, I guess. Oh and I'll go ahead and anticipate the "RATM lol" response and go on to say that just because you say something in a song does not make it incorrect or irrelevant. Kids these days. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NctzNLw_5E While the sentiment makes sense, since there are probably few cops from the 1920s or even 30s still on the force, the signal-to-noise ratio on a kops=klan statement is too high to be useful. (If you're just venting, go nuts - then do something constructive)
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ImAMinister posted:Gas for what? Debate and discussion in D&D? That actually only happens in DND on rare occasions.
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Feb 3, 2015 17:06
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Maybe it's a good idea to close this thread until there's another noteworthy incident. You know, just for a couple of days or so.
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Feb 3, 2015 17:09
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Why?
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Feb 3, 2015 17:13
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I think that was a joke. ImAMinister posted:Wait, is that the controversy? I mean the Southern Poverty Law Center states that the KKK was historically populated by police officers, and even today there is evidence of police collusion with the KKK. Am I crazy or is this not historical fact? #NotAllKlansmen
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Feb 3, 2015 17:13
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Did the story about the cop pulling a gun on a couple kids having a snowball fight get posted? That was like two days ago, I'm sure someone has gotten beaten for no reason since then though.
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Feb 3, 2015 17:14
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Comment was unrelated to KKK assertions. This is just a bad thread that should be gassed. 
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Feb 3, 2015 17:17
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Move along folks, nothing to see here. Policing is fine.
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Feb 3, 2015 17:19
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SedanChair posted:I think that was a joke. Sorry, this thread has a tendency of getting locked at the first hint of contention, hence the reaction. It was a good joke.
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Feb 3, 2015 17:19
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Demon Of The Fall posted:Did the story about the cop pulling a gun on a couple kids having a snowball fight get posted? That was like two days ago, I'm sure someone has gotten beaten for no reason since then though. Well the cops released a statement that the video is totally out of context and there was a totally justifiable reason for pulling out the gun oh and those kids weren't really have a snowball fight.
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Feb 3, 2015 17:23
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SedanChair posted:I don't think that's what saying "source?" is for. Maybe you could ask me for a more detailed explanation. Do you want a more detailed explanation, Grem? What data do you have to support your certainty that gangs are less dangerous to innocent people.
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Feb 3, 2015 17:52
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Grem posted:What data do you have to support your certainty that gangs are less dangerous to innocent people. Number of people arrested by police for a marijuana law violation in 2013: 693,482 Number of those charged with marijuana law violations who were arrested for possession only: 609,423 (88 percent) Number of people arrested by gang members for a marijuana law violation in 2013: 0
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Feb 3, 2015 18:05
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SedanChair posted:Number of people arrested by police for a marijuana law violation in 2013: 693,482 You're a loving idiot.
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Feb 3, 2015 18:09
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SedanChair posted:Number of people arrested by police for a marijuana law violation in 2013: 693,482 What's your favorite Phish album?
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:You're a loving idiot. This isn't a productive post; care to elaborate?
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Feb 3, 2015 18:16
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Number of people arrested by gang members for anything ever: 0 Makes you think.
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Feb 3, 2015 18:17
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Personally, I think that was a weird equivalence. How about the fact that a gang member can steal your property, harm, or kill you. A police officer can do all those things as well and will rarely ever face consequences. EDIT: A police officer can also arrest you, falsify evidence or testimony and get you locked up Eugene V. Deadlift fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Feb 3, 2015 |
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Feb 3, 2015 18:21
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NoEyedSquareGuy posted:Number of people arrested by gang members for anything ever: 0 The obviousness of that fact might have clued you in that it wasn't the point. The point is that police and gangs both perpetrate a massive amount of harm against people. Gang violence kills about 2000 people a year, police shootings kill about 1100. However, once you include other forms of harm -- e.g. the 0.7 million drug arrests per year -- the scale tips a lot further toward police. hepatizon fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Feb 3, 2015 |
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Feb 3, 2015 18:24
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Generally gangs are the result of low income, scant opportunities, and bad education. They might shoot more people, but they're the symptom of a problem, and police are part of the system that keeps people poor and hosed over that creates the gangs in the first place.
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Lemming posted:Generally gangs are the result of low income, scant opportunities, and bad education. They might shoot more people, but they're the symptom of a problem, and police are part of the system that keeps people poor and hosed over that creates the gangs in the first place. Well said
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hepatizon posted:The obviousness of that fact might have clued you in that it wasn't the point. The point is that police and gangs both perpetrate a massive amount of harm against people. Gang violence kills about 2000 people a year, police shootings kill about 1100. Add arrests for victimless crimes, and the total harm done by police, if such a thing can be quantified, could plausibly surpass that done by gangs. If they wanted to argue the sum total of systemic harm by either then fine, there is an argument that can be made. But instead they cited one useless comparative statistic on the "certainty that gangs are less dangerous to innocent people" and then called it a day. That said who would want to move to a gang controlled neighborhood? Haven't you seen Death Wish 3?
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Grem posted:What data do you have to support your certainty that gangs are less dangerous to innocent people. I wouldn't say "less dangerous" but for the vast majority of people the chances of getting hassled by a cop over stupid bullshit is much higher than ever having any negative encounters with gangs.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Comment was unrelated to KKK assertions. This is just a bad thread that should be gassed. You're a bad moderator
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