McSpanky posted:Superman could solve all of Batman's problems the same way the US Army could solve all of New York's problems. The first year of Injustice is pretty much about this, Peace on Earth is another one, so's Kingdom Come, Red Son, etc. All I'm saying is this:  Plus X-ray vision plus super hearing plus a super-IQ kind of makes Batman's detective work and rogues meaningless. Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlcXA_iokPc
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What Lurdiak said, and also on the flip side, people writing Batman as some ungodly intelligent super-badass who has a contingency for everything so that he can stand toe-to-toe with threats that would challenge any other member of the Justice League also tends to make the other members of the Justice League look like chumps and idiots. Just overall, Batman (and other street level heroes) and Superman (and others close to his level like Martian Manhunter, Wonder Woman, etc.) don't mix well, and cheapen each others' stories when they're forced into them.
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Feb 4, 2015 21:46
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I'm glad Lurdiak posted that particular sequence because he uncovered the true endgame of DC's power creep: the Flash and flashalikes aren't as fast as Superman, they're orders of magnitude faster and can brute The real question you should be asking is "why doesn't the Flash solve all of Superman's problems ten attoseconds ago?"
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Feb 4, 2015 21:47
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Well that was sort of the endgame for Flash in Kingdom Come (although not on a global scale): 
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Feb 4, 2015 22:07
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Lurdiak posted:All I'm saying is this: why doesn't batman just kill the joker
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Feb 4, 2015 22:16
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Ashcans posted:a guardian angel who rights even the most harmless of wrongs with lightning speed I like to imagine that if you lived in Keystone City at the time you'd be reaching for your remote control because you're too lazy to get up off the couch and bam it's in your hand, you're trying to get the jam jar open but it's stuck and suddenly bam it's open, etc.
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Feb 4, 2015 22:19
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AnonSpore posted:I like to imagine that if you lived in Keystone City at the time you'd be reaching for your remote control because you're too lazy to get up off the couch and bam it's in your hand, you're trying to get the jam jar open but it's stuck and suddenly bam it's open, etc. I'd hate to imagine what would happen to any teenagers who decide to have unprotected sex.
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Feb 4, 2015 22:22
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dordreff posted:why doesn't batman just kill the joker Because you see... oh wait I see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KsfiqAdSW0&t=24s
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Feb 4, 2015 22:23
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Phylodox posted:I'd hate to imagine what would happen to any teenagers who decide to have unprotected sex. Bam condom on
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Feb 4, 2015 22:23
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Superman can't solve all of Batman's problems because he's busy dealing with things that actually require a Superman to solve. He can't actually be everywhere at once, and street crime is not something he's going to be dealing with often.
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Feb 4, 2015 22:28
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AnonSpore posted:Bam condom on Keystone City must do a brisk trade in extremely lubricated condoms.
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Feb 4, 2015 22:30
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Endless Mike posted:Superman can't solve all of Batman's problems because he's busy dealing with things that actually require a Superman to solve. He can't actually be everywhere at once, and street crime is not something he's going to be dealing with often. I seem to remember that being used as an excuse to why Superman didn't do poo poo during No Man's Land. He said something like while Batman was helping Gotham survive/rebuild he was protecting Gotham from outside forces that wanted to destroy it. In a way it goes back to his philosophy about not being there to save mankind, but being there to help mankind when it needs help.
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Feb 4, 2015 23:08
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Madkal posted:I seem to remember that being used as an excuse to why Superman didn't do poo poo during No Man's Land. He said something like while Batman was helping Gotham survive/rebuild he was protecting Gotham from outside forces that wanted to destroy it. In a way it goes back to his philosophy about not being there to save mankind, but being there to help mankind when it needs help. In my mind Alan Scott was quietly but diligently fulfilling this role whenever some horrible world-threatening event was mysteriously not targeting Gotham, by gentleman's agreement with Bruce.
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Feb 5, 2015 00:01
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Madkal posted:I seem to remember that being used as an excuse to why Superman didn't do poo poo during No Man's Land. He said something like while Batman was helping Gotham survive/rebuild he was protecting Gotham from outside forces that wanted to destroy it. In a way it goes back to his philosophy about not being there to save mankind, but being there to help mankind when it needs help. He turned up in one issue and tried to help by rebuilding a generator but just created an extra gang leader and made everything worse. so Batman told him to get out. Now if he had instead just punched everyone really hard, that would have fixed everything.
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Feb 5, 2015 00:05
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In Kevin Smith's Green Arrow there is one point where Ollie is in huge trouble and Connor (I think?) is dying. He just started screaming that he knows Superman can hear him somewhere and needs to come help, and he does. I thought the scene rocked when I first read it cause poo poo, it makes sense in a universe with a Superman. But then it also cheapens any other dramatic moments in Ollie's life cause cause why didn't he just yell for help if he's really screwed? And what about everyone else in the world screaming for help all the time? Kinda highlights the whole problem with trying to tell dramatic stories when there's an arrow man who is buddies with gods.
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Feb 5, 2015 00:54
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Chinaman7000 posted:In Kevin Smith's Green Arrow there is one point where Ollie is in huge trouble and Connor (I think?) is dying. He just started screaming that he knows Superman can hear him somewhere and needs to come help, and he does. I still like the scene:   
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Feb 5, 2015 01:51
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Oops, ok not Kevin Smith. Still think it's a very cool scene but by that logic Clark should be more like the Samaritan from Astro City, which was probably the most believable and sad version of a benevolent Superman I've read.
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Feb 5, 2015 03:39
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bobkatt013 posted:Hawkeye 21 Immediately after goddamn destroying me, of course. Fraction, you magnificent bastard.
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Chinaman7000 posted:Oops, ok not Kevin Smith. Still think it's a very cool scene but by that logic Clark should be more like the Samaritan from Astro City, which was probably the most believable and sad version of a benevolent Superman I've read. Like with that scene; the reason he's helping isn't just because someone's calling for help, it's because it's Ollie, who never asks for help and is clearly desperate and panicked.
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Chinaman7000 posted:Oops, ok not Kevin Smith. Still think it's a very cool scene but by that logic Clark should be more like the Samaritan from Astro City, which was probably the most believable and sad version of a benevolent Superman I've read. Hey, you know what? I think I'll post that.  From the original Astro City #1 (available free on Comixology and probably other digital platforms). Also he is staring enviously at that pigeon, because a pigeon can just fly and it doesn't have to save anyone. Glazius fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Feb 5, 2015 |
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Feb 5, 2015 16:59
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And like Superman, he can't even go home, but instead of it being some sort of hubris-driven catastrophe, it was his own benevolence that "destroyed" his home. He came from the future, and his preventing an event in the past changed that future. Samaritan is a really good tragically heroic character despite having being a Superman archetype and having been fleshed out in only one issue, but it was a hell of a way to start a series. Gonna reread Astro City now.
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Dammerung posted:I still like the scene: Also Santa Claus isn't real, Darth Vader is Luke's father and your puppy is dead, not playing on a happy farm like your parents told you.
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Pureauthor posted:Blackwatch also said a superhero 'attacked' him and he fought back, so they were cheating a little there. And Commander Power says he was "battling the Bombadier, and he was trying to destroy the-" So, yeah: a cheat or two
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Feb 5, 2015 21:40
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Duke Igthorn posted:And Commander Power says he was "battling the Bombadier, and he was trying to destroy the-" Death ray I built. Not as bad a cheat, really.
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Feb 5, 2015 21:44
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Superheroes get into fights all the time and the Bombadier could've been a hero trying to destroy Power's lair or big weapon or something. 
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McSpanky posted:Superheroes get into fights all the time and the Bombadier could've been a hero trying to destroy Power's lair or big weapon or something. Or the newspaper could have been a tabloid style newspaper devoted to covering the Truth. Wake up Sheeple! 
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Evil Mastermind posted:I always figured that Supes didn't constantly try to help everyone because he didn't want to end up like Samaritan did with absolutely no life of his own outside the costume. Yeah, there's a great clip from Superman The Animated Series that shows that. It's from an episode when a crooked detective bombs Clark Kent's car (with Superman in it). There's a witness nearby so he can't just fly out and be fine so he has to sneak away and let everyone think he's dead. Then he goes to visit his parents for advice and Pa Kent actually does suggest he go Superman full time, but Superman says it'd drive him nuts if he tried. e: found it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnox0ejA0bo&t=38s
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Glazius posted:Hey, you know what? I think I'll post that. And that's why his chest emblem is a stylized pigeon.
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KittenofDoom posted:From that distance, though, it would've taken like 4-6 hours for the sound to travel from the Southeast Asian Sea to the east coast of the US. Even if they hadn't moved an inch from that spot in that time and Superman found them immediately, Connor still would have bled out. That's not how Superman's hearing powers work. His hearing is accelerated. Yeah, figure that out.
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Rhyno posted:That's not how Superman's hearing powers work. His hearing is accelerated. I hear at the speed of light and see at the speed of sound!
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SirDan3k posted:I hear at the speed of light and see at the speed of sound! At a convention years ago someone at a panel asked Mark Waid about the science behind Superman's hearing powers and brought up things like the above example and Waid said "he has accelerated hearing" and that was it.
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Feb 10, 2015 07:23
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Rhyno posted:Yeah, figure that out. 
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FilthyImp posted:He has X-ray ears! Nah, that can't be it. I've seen him hear through lead. ...I know what I wanted that sentence to say, and typing it out it still sounds stupid.
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CzarChasm posted:Nah, that can't be it. I've seen him hear through lead. To be fair there is no way it wouldn't have sounded stupid. You did your best with the subject material.
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Rhyno posted:That's not how Superman's hearing powers work. His hearing is accelerated. I remember seeing something in some comic about Superman actually having a telepathic sensitivity to everything going on that he perceives as "hearing" something happening. It's why he picks up on people screaming specifically for his help, places where he's needed even when nobody is screaming, etc.
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Wade Wilson posted:I remember seeing something in some comic about Superman actually having a telepathic sensitivity to everything going on that he perceives as "hearing" something happening. It's why he picks up on people screaming specifically for his help, places where he's needed even when nobody is screaming, etc. That's right up there with tactile telekinesis.
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Lurdiak posted:That's right up there with tactile telekinesis. Quiet Jimmy, my Hearikinesis is picking up something!
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Rhyno posted:At a convention years ago someone at a panel asked Mark Waid about the science behind Superman's hearing powers and brought up things like the above example and Waid said "he has accelerated hearing" and that was it. I'm reminded of the scene from Waid's Irredeemable, where young Plutonian is sitting in school, and his super-hearing picks up the sound of his foster mother about to commit suicide three miles away. And he rushes out at super-speed, faster than a speeding bullet... and discovers that even though he moves faster than a bullet does, the sound had to travel three miles before he could hear it.
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Parahexavoctal posted:I'm reminded of the scene from Waid's Irredeemable, where young Plutonian is sitting in school, and his super-hearing picks up the sound of his foster mother about to commit suicide three miles away. And he rushes out at super-speed, faster than a speeding bullet... Jeez, that's depressing.
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It ain't a feel-good comic.
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