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I don't understand what Bendis has been doing and at this point I honestly just think they're very lazy, very decompressed stories with no long game or planning. There are some good moments, some good ideas and I actually like most of the mutants he came up with but they're not good comics to me. He banked a ton on nostalgia and re-using things from older stories, sometimes panel for panel. If it was just some mook writing the books you wouldn't even give them a second pass. There would be posts about how third tier comic book writer Johnny McRib was just re-using the O5 out of creative desperation and then the books would be quietly canned.
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Hakkesshu posted:At the very least it was better than his latter-day Avengers run. Well of course. You've got to be pretty godawful to be worse than latter-day Bendis Avengers.
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Feb 4, 2015 21:50
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There's some obvious signs that nothing is really planned. Like take Emma Frost losing her telepathy. The Cuckoos bring her into the Hivemind and let her use them anyway whenever she needs to, so that was obviously just done for the hell of it.
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Feb 4, 2015 22:00
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I really hope the rumors of them shelving the X-men referenced in the article are just fan panic.
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Feb 4, 2015 22:54
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Rick posted:I really hope the rumors of them shelving the X-men referenced in the article are just fan panic. It is, the main rumor is that the next run will be written by Humphries (not great but hopefully better?)
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Feb 4, 2015 23:11
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I have really tried to like All-New and Uncanny X-Men and for the most part I have. I've just felt like (especially over the last 6 months) that both books have just been spinning their wheels. I mean my gently caress only roughly 4 hours has passed in Uncanny over the last 7 months and I've totally forgotten how the All-New X-Men ended up in the Ultimates universe.
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Feb 5, 2015 01:00
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I haven't bought comics in a while but the last ones I was trying to hold on to were All New and Uncanny because I thought A). It's a good setup and looked to be a big change of pace from normal and B). I thought Bendis was a guy who could craft very good stories and characters when he is fresh and inspired. But, no. Not this time.
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Feb 5, 2015 01:09
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Yeah, I find it kind of hilarious that Bendis brought in 'no more timetravel' with Age of Ultron, then completely ignored that idea for his run on X-Men, except for the O5, because otherwise they should have sent them back once it was clear that 'poo poo, if they die here their present selves fade out BTTF-style'. Plus he stuck X-23 with them because...reasons? and then she dated Cyclops, and when he hosed off to space pretty much turned around and hopped into bed with Warren. I mean I guess i'm grateful she wasn't stuck in Avengers Undercover, but dammit, what was the point of bringing her back to the X-men? Why Cyclops' branch (other than 'that's what bendis is writing and he wants to play with her')? But credit where it's due, he put all the toys back in the box when he was finally done on Avengers like a champ. So I guess we have that to look forward to. Bye, past X-Men!
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Feb 5, 2015 01:10
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X23 was added to the team because she was the two things that could improve the dynamic of the original five: Another female, a Wolverine. There really was no better choice for a sixth member. EDIT: I also hope the original X-Men stick around. I wouldn't even mind if they became the only versions of those characters after Secret Wars. I'd love to see some stories involving them without the fish out of water aspect. Open Marriage Night fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Feb 5, 2015 |
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Feb 5, 2015 01:21
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The fish out of water is the only thing they really have going for them. They are just kind of bland without it. Not the worst sin granted.
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Feb 5, 2015 01:27
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HorseRenoir posted:It is, the main rumor is that the next run will be written by Humphries (not great but hopefully better?) Uncanny X-Force sucked, and I don't know why they'd hand their flagship X-book to someone whose book folded fairly quickly. Hopeless, on the other hand....
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Feb 5, 2015 01:46
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Weren't there also rumors Spurrier is taking the main books?
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Feb 5, 2015 01:56
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Probably Magic posted:Uncanny X-Force sucked, and I don't know why they'd hand their flagship X-book to someone whose book folded fairly quickly. NO. NOT HIM. Edit: Pretty sure Avengers Arena & Undercover folded pretty drat quick, and that's a stain that isn't easily washed away. Dunno how Spider-woman is doing, though.
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Feb 5, 2015 02:20
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Yvonmukluk posted:NO. NOT HIM.
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Feb 5, 2015 02:33
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HorseRenoir posted:It is, the main rumor is that the next run will be written by Humphries (not great but hopefully better?) Humphries is quite possibly the worst writer Marvel regularly employs so lol.
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Feb 5, 2015 02:45
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Die Laughing posted:X23 was added to the team because she was the two things that could improve the dynamic of the original five: Another female, a Wolverine. There really was no better choice for a sixth member. I have a soft spot for the original X-Men so this wouldn't be the end of the world to me. So many years of nothing for Iceman wouldn't be missed, Jean without the baggage would be nice, and Cyclops as Magneto Jr. is dumb to me. It's actually the work with Beast and Warren, who were arguably the worst O5 characters that I think it'd be a shame to wipe away.
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Feb 5, 2015 02:47
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In the end you will wish we had cancelled your precious X-Men. Muh-wah-ha-ha.
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Rick posted:I have a soft spot for the original X-Men so this wouldn't be the end of the world to me. So many years of nothing for Iceman wouldn't be missed, Jean without the baggage would be nice, and Cyclops as Magneto Jr. is dumb to me. It's actually the work with Beast and Warren, who were arguably the worst O5 characters that I think it'd be a shame to wipe away. Right, but it's not like they wouldn't be taken in similar directions eventually. Going blue was the best thing to happen to those two, and I wouldn't mind reading those stories with a modern take.
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Feb 5, 2015 03:16
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What's up with current Angel? I liked X-Force badass Angel but the version at the Wolverine school was depressing to me. Young Warren's unhappiness with how he ended up was the most accurate thing ever, but I don't know what happened since then.
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Feb 5, 2015 03:34
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He dies at the end of that X-Force run and returns with no memories and thinking he's a real angel.
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Feb 5, 2015 03:42
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Chinaman7000 posted:What's up with current Angel? I liked X-Force badass Angel but the version at the Wolverine school was depressing to me. Young Warren's unhappiness with how he ended up was the most accurate thing ever, but I don't know what happened since then. Reborn Warren was an ongoing plot of Aaron's that kind of got swept aside when Aaron left WatXM because it just got lost in the rush to end his run, I guess.
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Feb 5, 2015 04:36
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Yvonmukluk posted:NO. NOT HIM. I mean, he won't get it either because Cable & X-Force died too, but C&XF was a drat good book. Seriously, forget what happened on the Avengers stuff and read it with an open mind.
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Die Laughing posted:X23 was added to the team because she was the two things that could improve the dynamic of the original five: Another female, a Wolverine. There really was no better choice for a sixth member. While this is true, the real problem with X-23's addition to the team is that X-23's last appearance prior to ANXM (barring Avengers Arena which I think we all want to forget) was her telling Emma Frost that she would kill her the next time she saw her during AvX. Yet now they live together and that's just peachy. But hey when's a pesky thing like continuity or prior characterization gotten in the way of a masterful story like the one we're reading no- 
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Feb 5, 2015 06:36
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I don't think you can make that argument with AvX as your source.
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Aphrodite posted:I don't think you can make that argument with AvX as your source. It was in one of the tie-ins that was actually really well written, not the awful Bendis series.
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Aphrodite posted:I don't think you can make that argument with AvX as your source. It was Avengers Academy that it happened in, it was a pretty good issue (and series overall) but I guess Marvel wants everyone to forget that series ever happened. Hell I don't even think Avengers Academy is even recognized as existing anymore as an institution.
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Yvonmukluk posted:It was in one of the tie-ins that was actually really well written, not the awful Bendis series. Yeah, that drat Bendis and his awful AvX series! It's not like it was actually written along with people like Jason Aaron, Matt Fraction, Ed Brubaker, and Johnathan Hickman!
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Some people are speculating G Willow Wilson might be getting Uncanny. There's going to be a book announcement for her this week on The View apparently. It makes sense they'd announce Bendis leaving first and she's hinted at writing an X book after her current run is over on X-Men.
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Feb 5, 2015 20:28
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I would buy that.
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Feb 5, 2015 20:31
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Is her current X-Men run any good? I dropped that book after it got super boring, but Wilson is pretty great generally and is killing it on Ms Marvel. Worth picking up again?
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There's only been one issue so far. It was an okay issue, but it's still early yet to tell if it's really gonna click.
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Feb 5, 2015 21:06
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I'm actually thinking it'll be Willow on X-Force and not Uncanny now, Marvel put out a press release titled "Marvel Makes a Forceful Announcement on The View" for tomorrow
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TwoPair posted:While this is true, the real problem with X-23's addition to the team is that X-23's last appearance prior to ANXM (barring Avengers Arena which I think we all want to forget) was her telling Emma Frost that she would kill her the next time she saw her during AvX. Yet now they live together and that's just peachy. Because never in the history of comics has Wolverine threatened to kill someone who was his ally (possibly while popping his claws to emphasis the point) and then refused to follow up on that threat. That being said, while I understand why people didn't like Avengers Arena, I think Avengers Undercover was decent. Like I don't think X-23 would have been believable as someone who would be taken in by the badguys, but it would have given her something to do, unlike in Bendis X-Men where she's just THERE.
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The Question IRL posted:Because never in the history of comics has Wolverine threatened to kill someone who was his ally (possibly while popping his claws to emphasis the point) and then refused to follow up on that threat. It doesn't really matter because a component of the discussion seems to hinge a little too heavily on writing Lara perfectly in-sync with the given audience's perceived outcomes, and any book that instantly doesn't is poo poo. I'd be the first to admit Bendis had a loose to terrible handle on some of the characters or canon but then, it is Bendis...
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Wilson's an okay writer. I don't think Ms. Marvel is particularly great (but not BAD, just middle of the road) and it just honestly reads like a somewhat dull attempt at an early 2000s style Marvel book in tone filtered through Tumblr-esque goofy poo poo but I guess "eh" is a lot better than the shitshow the X-Men books have been post-Messiah War.
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If Wilson was on Uncanny, would that make her the first female writer of the book? I can see that being a huge View worthy announcement.
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RevKrule posted:If Wilson was on Uncanny, would that make her the first female writer of the book? I can see that being a huge View worthy announcement. I was thinking that Louise Simonson must have written at least a one-off issue of Uncanny, but no, closest she came was being its editor.
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RevKrule posted:If Wilson was on Uncanny, would that make her the first female writer of the book? I can see that being a huge View worthy announcement. Majorie Liu wrote a run on X-Men run quite recently.
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The Question IRL posted:Majorie Liu wrote a run on X-Men run quite recently. She wrote Adjectiveless but never Uncanny.
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Dacap posted:I'm actually thinking it'll be Willow on X-Force and not Uncanny now, Marvel put out a press release titled "Marvel Makes a Forceful Announcement on The View" for tomorrow Well Force makes me think it's something Star Wars related. I don't think X-Force is really worthy of TV announcement but who knows.
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