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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:The last time Standard was good was when there was a deck named Spread 'Em. Playing Caw-Go was the only way I could feel alive.
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Angry Grimace posted:Can we stick to talking about Wizard Poker and not piling on mcmagic? Trust me, I can settle this entire thing by saying everyone in this thread is a huge nerd who spends way too much money on bits of cardboard and who has overly strong opinions about said cardboard. I just use counterfeits.
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apistat posted:I mostly just lurk so I lose track, but mcmagic changed his name from dickeye, right? Nah, dickeye quit magic for some reason and stopped posting here. Angry Grimace posted:Can we stick to talking about Wizard Poker and not piling on mcmagic? Trust me, I can settle this entire thing by saying everyone in this thread is a huge nerd who spends way too much money on bits of cardboard and who has overly strong opinions about said cardboard. This is very true.
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Feb 5, 2015 01:59
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Mister Olympus posted:I don't understand this sudden control flood. Everyone at my store is still stuck on Abzan midrange or Jeskai tokens as if absolutely nothing has changed. Wadjamaloo posted:I think the reason most people hate control is that it usually wins by turn four, but you are forced to play 20 more turns to find that out. At least aggro and combo politely let you know when its over.
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Feb 5, 2015 02:00
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If only my R/W deck will be ready by the 6th (Will be close) my local shop is giving out a foil, alternate art Ugin for their standard tourney on the 7th.
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Feb 5, 2015 02:03
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Where did they get it? There were no foil alt art ugins in the ugin packs that I know of.
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Errant Gin Monks posted:Where did they get it? There were no foil alt art ugins in the ugin packs that I know of. He misunderstood something.
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Feb 5, 2015 02:30
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mr. mephistopheles posted:He misunderstood something. Either that or his shop is legitimately trying to pass off a proxy as a legit card. My money's on misunderstanding though.
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Feb 5, 2015 02:32
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I'm one of the people playing U/B Control after FRF because I've never played control before, and I already had most of the pieces from playing mono-black that splashed blue for Psychic Strike. Polluted Deltas are an investment worth making, so I bit the bullet and bought them, and nothing else was that expensive. Dig Through Time was down to ~$4.50 on TCgPlayer, and I traded for my Perilous Vaults and Crux of Fates. Control is hard to play in that I want to get the most value out of my cards. I win through card advantage. When you have 1 card in hand, and I have 7, You can't come back from that. But, how do I obtain maximum value out of this board wipe if you refuse to play a second creature? Do I use my last counter on this Fleecemane lion that you're casting when I know damned well you've got a Seige Rhino on deck? I'm still learning, and it's super fun.
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Feb 5, 2015 02:36
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Errant Gin Monks posted:Where did they get it? There were no foil alt art ugins in the ugin packs that I know of. That was on MTGO.
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End of Life Guy posted:I'm one of the people playing U/B Control after FRF because I've never played control before, and I already had most of the pieces from playing mono-black that splashed blue for Psychic Strike. Polluted Deltas are an investment worth making, so I bit the bullet and bought them, and nothing else was that expensive. Dig Through Time was down to ~$4.50 on TCgPlayer, and I traded for my Perilous Vaults and Crux of Fates. The whole point behind playing against board wipe style control is to continually hold threats. We know you aren't doing anything so if we can stick a creature and keep swinging with it you have to use a board wipe, which will allow us to cast another creature until you run out of counterspells. It's kind of how it works. I will stick 2 satyrs before their counterspells come online and sit on a hand of hornet queens and sidisi and just swing 2 every turn.
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After that first sweeper, most savvy players aren't going to overcommit unless they have to. This is why control decks play spot removal as well.
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Feb 5, 2015 03:57
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End of Life Guy posted:I'm one of the people playing U/B Control after FRF because I've never played control before, and I already had most of the pieces from playing mono-black that splashed blue for Psychic Strike. Polluted Deltas are an investment worth making, so I bit the bullet and bought them, and nothing else was that expensive. Dig Through Time was down to ~$4.50 on TCgPlayer, and I traded for my Perilous Vaults and Crux of Fates. Can you post your list? I bought most of it pre-FRF but didnt want to buy Vaults.
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Feb 5, 2015 04:11
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Does the Pro Tour start on Friday or Saturday? Excited to see Siege Rhino stomp all over another format.
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qbert posted:Does the Pro Tour start on Friday or Saturday? Friday 6 AM Pacific. PT goes by really slowly with long rounds and LOTS of filler between rounds, which ranges from terrible to decent. Plus deckbuilding time, time for Ultrapro ads, Sheldon ramblings and so on. I wish they'd take CFB's approach and double up on recordings and play back the second immediately after the first finishes.
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End of Life Guy posted:I'm one of the people playing U/B Control after FRF because I've never played control before, and I already had most of the pieces from playing mono-black that splashed blue for Psychic Strike. Polluted Deltas are an investment worth making, so I bit the bullet and bought them, and nothing else was that expensive. Dig Through Time was down to ~$4.50 on TCgPlayer, and I traded for my Perilous Vaults and Crux of Fates. This is something that there is no hard and fast rule for, but if you aren't under any pressure (likely 4 or less damage per turn, depending on the environment) just let them hold back to play around the sweeper while you sculpt your wincon. It's really all about resource management and in this case your life total is the big resource to manage.
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qbert posted:Does the Pro Tour start on Friday or Saturday? Oh, it's a draft PT?
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Wadjamaloo posted:I think the reason most people hate control is that it usually wins by turn four, but you are forced to play 20 more turns to find that out. At least aggro and combo politely let you know when its over. A big part of it for me was the one guy who I played with a lot when I started who had a good control deck. Trying to run TribalDraftLeavings.dek into Drownyard Control was incredibly frustrating as a new player.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Oh, it's a draft PT? You really don't think it'll see play?
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Rinkles posted:You really don't think it'll see play? Is there a lot of Delver expected? E: There's probably going to be a lot of Junk decks at the PT so I should temper this a little, it will show up but I think it will be a major underperformer through the tournament. TheKingofSprings fucked around with this message at 07:24 on Feb 5, 2015 |
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TheKingofSprings posted:Is there a lot of Delver expected? It's taken the place of Skrillex in a lot of Junk decks so yeah, it'll see play.
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suicidesteve posted:6/6s and pumpable 4/4s sure do match up badly against 4/5s. Siege Rhino is just better in every conceivable way. He really is. Froghammer posted:After that first sweeper, most savvy players aren't going to overcommit unless they have to. This is why control decks play spot removal as well. It's a bit of a feel and instinct thing to determine just how much you can really commit before you're just gambling on what is in their hand. This is why Thoughtseize and its ilk are so good in my opinion against control - it's the information advantage. Even a countered Thoughtseize can usually tell you something about a control players hand.
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Angry Grimace posted:Uncharted Realms: http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/uncharted-realms/doom-golden-fang-2015-02-04 - Tasigur's story I'm really down on the flavor of the Sultai in both timelines. They're just so amazingly over the top evil that it's kind of boring. I mean jeez, I would rather live under the dragons than the Sultai if I was a poo poo peasant.
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Shaman Ooglaboogla posted:I'm really down on the flavor of the Sultai in both timelines. They're just so amazingly over the top evil that it's kind of boring. I mean jeez, I would rather live under the dragons than the Sultai if I was a poo poo peasant. Tasigur's flavor text on Silumgar's card is a lot funnier when it turns out he met one dragon his whole life (Silumgar) and it ate him immediately. I guess his stats are based on his servants because in lore he's a huge fuckin wuss.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Is there a lot of Delver expected? I think there's a good chance Junk is one of the most popular decks at this PT, and they're all playing Rhinos now.
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It wouldn't surprise me if some kind of control deck was a major player. The pros have the time and inclination to be a control deck specifically for the meta, which is likely to be junk and splinter twin heavy
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Feb 5, 2015 08:17
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Modern has been pretty hostile toward the control archetype pretty much as long as the format has been around and I don't think that's going to change anytime soon.
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Ciprian Maricon posted:Modern has been pretty hostile toward the control archetype pretty much as long as the format has been around and I don't think that's going to change anytime soon. Control isn't really fast enough for a format like Modern that doesn't let you play Force of Will.
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Splinter Twin is Modern's control deck. Just because it can occassionally vomit out a turn 4 combo win by accident doesn't make it not a control deck. Scapeshift is similar but trades speed for inexorability. Can't Combust or Mana Leak a land drop.
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ungulateman posted:Splinter Twin is Modern's control deck. Just because it can occassionally vomit out a turn 4 combo win by accident doesn't make it not a control deck. Splinter Twin is a tempo deck, it doesn't win by killing or locking down literally everything your opponent plays, it wins by tapping down stuff, and getting in for evasive or burn damage with the option to combo your opponent out if they ever make a misplay.
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I started thinking there was something perverse about the format when I first heard that modern's premiere blue combo/controlish deck often plays tarmagoyfs. I guess it makes more sense if you consider twin a tempo deck.
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IMO if Modern ever gets a full on control deck its going to look a lot more like MUD or Death and Taxes, by that I mean it will control the match in a way different than typical permission and answer package, like Blue Moon.
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I dunno, I consider any deck that is happy to sit on a pile of counterspells and trade counterspells with its opponent until it can jam its finisher to be a control deck. See: every single Twin vs Blue deck match in PT Born of the Gods. The fact that Twin is also one of the best tempo decks in the format doesn't change that.
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Feb 5, 2015 10:21
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Was Shaun McLaren's modern pt win w/ WUR control surprising?
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ungulateman posted:I dunno, I consider any deck that is happy to sit on a pile of counterspells and trade counterspells with its opponent until it can jam its finisher to be a control deck. See: every single Twin vs Blue deck match in PT Born of the Gods. The fact that Twin is also one of the best tempo decks in the format doesn't change that. I agree. Twin is very much a control deck. It's weird though because it's not the traditional form of UW based control that everyone is so used to, it's more of a "psychological" control deck in the sense that I don't even have to play any other card, but as soon I have 3-4 lands in play, my opponent now has to play around my combo for the rest of the game and I don't ever even have to assemble the combo or even draw either combo piece. Because they know that as soon as they tap out, they are probably going to lose to it. It took me a while to kinda pick up on that as I was learning the format and 0-2 dropping every week, but it's pretty crazy how terrifying passing turn into 3 untapped lands when you're playing against a twin deck cam be and how much something as simple as that controls the entire tempo of the game.
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ungulateman posted:I dunno, I consider any deck that is happy to sit on a pile of counterspells and trade counterspells with its opponent until it can jam its finisher to be a control deck. See: every single Twin vs Blue deck match in PT Born of the Gods. The fact that Twin is also one of the best tempo decks in the format doesn't change that. I think most people ascribe to a more narrow definition of "control deck" and that's understandable since the strategy for a lot of decks can be described as "control the game long enough to jam a finisher" Ultimately decks like Twin and Tron are hard to pigeonhole in a single archetype (that's part of what makes them good) but I think it's fair that people think of Twin more as a Tempo/Combo deck than a control deck. Sirius Sam posted:It took me a while to kinda pick up on that as I was learning the format and 0-2 dropping every week, but it's pretty crazy how terrifying passing turn into 3 untapped lands when you're playing against a twin deck cam be and how much something as simple as that controls the entire tempo of the game. I too think its wrong and weird that a deck which achieves victory by dictating the tempo of the match is referred to as a tempo deck, instead of a control deck. EDIT: To be less snarky, you yourself identify readily that the threat of the combo affects your opponents ability to execute their game plan long enough for your threats to get there. You're constricting their plays each turn because they must at all times at least present the answer to the combo or risk immediately losing. Other Tempo decks like RUG Delver also constrict their opponent long enough for a beater to get there, they just do it with mana denial and really efficient permission but the concept is the same. Textbook Tempo not control. Ciprian Maricon fucked around with this message at 11:26 on Feb 5, 2015 |
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Can someone post this weekend's pro tour schedule? I'd like to see when the modern parts will be airing, and don't dare use wizards site on my phone.
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always be closing posted:Can someone post this weekend's pro tour schedule? I'd like to see when the modern parts will be airing, and don't dare use wizards site on my phone. Don't expect Modern until the afternoon because each day starts with a draft, deck building, three rounds of limited, and then lunch. e: Follow @MagicProTour or rewind the daily stream on Magic's YouTube page (why would you ever use the Twitch page for these events) or use the daily playlists on the YT page. That's what I do.
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Terrible Horse posted:Can you post your list? I bought most of it pre-FRF but didnt want to buy Vaults. I haven't tweaked this for my meta yet, but I'll probably maindeck one more vault or find a place for Ugin. Its weak to lots of walkers. http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/ub-control-with-fate-reforged/
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