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I mean, to be fair to Rand Paul (though I don't want to), the core ideal of libertarianism is that nobody should force anyone else to do something, even if something is obviously the right thing to do and a danger to others if not done. Since the issue is prominent, it's probably going to be part of the national conversation for a while and all of the obvious solutions to a public health problem would involve what libertarian folks would construe as the government using force. In order to appear consistent with his principles, he has to comment and by the standards of where a libertarian could go with the issue, it was a pretty mild one. in summary, kill you're children rand paul 2016
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If you campaign against vaccination I think you should be shot without trial. And this isn't hyperbole.
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Feb 5, 2015 04:27
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euphronius posted:If you campaign against vaccination I think you should be shot without trial. And this isn't hyperbole. I disagree, you should merely be sent to old-fashioned leper asylum towns.
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Feb 5, 2015 04:28
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Am I correct in thinking that the Republican candidates from states with high immigration will have difficulty in the primaries when competing with candidates from states with few immigrants? While getting elected in states like Florida and Texas requires having an immigration policy that isn't completely insane, I get the feeling that generally the people who vote in Republican primaries will be strongly against these policies that were necessary at the state level.
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Feb 5, 2015 04:34
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euphronius posted:If you campaign against vaccination I think you should be shot without trial. And this isn't hyperbole. You know I'm as anti-death penalty as they come but... I find I find it hard to disagree with this statement.
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Feb 5, 2015 04:43
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Even if vaccines did have the 1 in 66 chance of causing autism or whatever, is that worse than exposing your kid to a slew of life threatening diseases, especially in a world where a bunch of other people aren't getting vaccinated?
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Feb 5, 2015 04:45
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If a parent objects to a vaccine, doctors should be required to show them an array of pictures of children with smallpox. If they still object, then maybe child services should get involved.
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Feb 5, 2015 04:52
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Enigma89 posted:Also noticed the person giving him the shot was black and I remember that Paul has been trying to capture a bigger part of the black vote. What aspect of libertarian philosophy would lead a medically educated man to think it's okay to go on national television and perpetuate the myth that vaccines cause mental disorders?
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Feb 5, 2015 04:54
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Tao Jones posted:If a parent objects to a vaccine, doctors should be required to show them an array of pictures of children with smallpox. If they still object, then maybe child services should get involved. consents abortion fetuses see what i did here
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Feb 5, 2015 04:55
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like i get where you're going but you're driving the small bus here
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Feb 5, 2015 04:56
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DynamicSloth posted:What aspect of libertarian philosophy would lead a medically educated man to think it's okay to go on national television and perpetuate the myth that vaccines cause mental disorders? FYGM? Maybe these people will vote for me/send me money? Seems like an internally consistent action for a Paulite libertarian to take.
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Feb 5, 2015 04:58
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mooyashi posted:see what i did here Conflated a fetus and a human being?
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sullat posted:FYGM? Maybe these people will vote for me/send me money? Seems like an internally consistent action for a Paulite libertarian to take. But all he has to do for that is go to where Christie went on the issue and say "vaccines should be voluntary, but they sure are swell  ", that's monstrous enough for a doctor who should understand how herd immunity works. But when your line is "vaccines should be voluntary but they sure are swell (also they give you autism)" it suggests not so much cynical politicking as genuine crackpottery of the guzzling colloidal silver variety.
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Feb 5, 2015 05:12
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Nintendo Kid posted:I disagree, you should merely be sent to old-fashioned leper asylum towns. What method of transport is best for shipping the untouchables to their new ghettos?
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Feb 5, 2015 05:17
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Chantilly Say posted:What method of transport is best for shipping the untouchables to their new ghettos? The Andy Dufrense pipe method. Or, they can get the immunization. Might get a few last second converts.
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Feb 5, 2015 05:21
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Chantilly Say posted:What method of transport is best for shipping the untouchables to their new ghettos? Those vans they used in ET.
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Feb 5, 2015 05:23
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Tao Jones posted:Conflated a fetus and a human being? *whoosh*
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Chantilly Say posted:What method of transport is best for shipping the untouchables to their new ghettos?
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Feb 5, 2015 05:25
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Chantilly Say posted:What method of transport is best for shipping the untouchables to their new ghettos? The thing is that they aren't metaphysically or ideologically untouchable. They're literally "contact with these people may kill you" untouchable because they haven't loving been vaccinated. Do you think the US State Department requires specific immunizations for state travel to certain regions for shits and giggles?
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mooyashi posted:*whoosh* agreed
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euphronius posted:If you campaign against vaccination I think you should be shot without trial. And this isn't hyperbole. I agree that we should kill all the people who think badly about a thing
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Feb 5, 2015 05:36
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Meg From Family Guy posted:I agree that we should kill all the people who think badly about a thing People who actively mislead the public resulting in needless illnesses and deaths of children are probably not a hill worth fighting for, especially when you're talking about a hyperbolic post on an internet comedy forum.
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Feb 5, 2015 05:46
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Meg From Family Guy posted:I agree that we should kill all the people who think badly about a thing 
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Belome posted:Even if vaccines did have the 1 in 66 chance of causing autism or whatever, is that worse than exposing your kid to a slew of life threatening diseases, especially in a world where a bunch of other people aren't getting vaccinated? Anti-vaxxers are actually taking advantage of the fact that your child dying, while horrifying, is probably a preferable outcome to some people than being saddled with an autistic child who needs constant care for the rest of your mortal life.
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For this analogy to hold, we need to start firebombing Montessouri schools.
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Meg From Family Guy posted:I agree that we should kill all the people who think badly about a thing "Shut up Meg." In other news Polio is running for President.
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Feb 5, 2015 06:13
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:Also I've read about how Jeb is posturing as a moderate and getting painted as such by the media despite having enacted very conservative policies, much like his brother 15 years ago. His brother would definitely be a moderate in the 2016 race.
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Feb 5, 2015 07:06
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Chantilly Say posted:For this analogy to hold, we need to start firebombing Montessouri schools. No, the intended analogy would involve Jenny McCarthy and that Wakefield quack committing suicide in a bunker.
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Feb 5, 2015 08:07
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Meg From Family Guy posted:I agree that we should kill all the people who think badly about a thing As a political policy, this idea has had surprising success in changing the hearts and minds of others.
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Feb 5, 2015 08:32
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mooyashi posted:consents Because being vaccinated is done to a fetus, not a human. And will steal away 9 months of the parents lives and tens of thousansds of dollars. And could kill the parents. And is something that is accidental and can be unplanned. Meg From Family Guy posted:I agree that we should kill all the people who think badly about a thing See, we should TOLERATE the people who are willingly harboring deadly diseases and refuse to minimize risk in any way. Just like we need to TOLERATE it if people decide they want to start making bombs in their own homes. Its their choice, right?
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mooyashi posted:consents No, please explain what you think you did.
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What is with all this Republican anti-vax poo poo anyway? Aren't most of these anti-vax people kind of crunchy, new agey, Whole Foods shopping granola liberals? Who generally tend to vote Democrat, and probably won't switch sides? Why are they going after those votes?
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Feb 5, 2015 14:29
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blackmet posted:What is with all this Republican anti-vax poo poo anyway? Couple of factors. Being Anti-Vax is a thing in some churches, a lot of these New Age-y liberals are incredibly FYGM if you press them (they are upper class whites), and it syncs well with the GOP's mantra of "freedom to gently caress up yourself".
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Feb 5, 2015 14:33
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blackmet posted:What is with all this Republican anti-vax poo poo anyway? Obama said vaccines are good
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There's a lot of libertarian types into stuff like unpasteurized milk.
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blackmet posted:What is with all this Republican anti-vax poo poo anyway?
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blackmet posted:What is with all this Republican anti-vax poo poo anyway? Not all are, between the kooky snake-dancing bible thumpers and the agenda 21 lunatics the pro-disease idiocy is strongly represented in the GOP base as well.
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blackmet posted:What is with all this Republican anti-vax poo poo anyway? If you're Rand Paul, you're specifically counting on luring some of those people - particularly well-to-do techies with similar leanings - to your side using fake libertarianism, and will go after any kind of foothold you can get. Rand has to be counting on reflexively anti-establishment people in California and the Rockies to get anywhere, given that there's too much competition in the South and the midwest and northeast won't care for his poo poo. No idea what Christie was thinking, though. Should be trying to consolidate the moderate vote, not reaching out to fringe idiots.
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PupsOfWar posted:If you're Rand Paul, you're specifically counting on luring some of those people - particularly well-to-do techies with similar leanings - to your side using fake libertarianism, and will go after any kind of foothold you can get. I am still of the mind this would be a great bludgeon to use against the charter school movement. "They want to close your kid's regular school and give you some voucher for some charter outfit where you can't even be sure the kids there have all their shots."
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blackmet posted:What is with all this Republican anti-vax poo poo anyway? Little bit of anti-obama. Little bit of anti-Big Government (but abortion and vagina monitoring is ok) Little bit of gently caress it only the poor will die from it. Little bit of vaccines hamper the profits of our insurance/medical care campaign donors.
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