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Boiled Water posted:It is at least partly their fault since they sold off their fabs following a long line of terrible business decisions. That chestnut is so goddamn old as to be completely irrelevant to the current discussion, and even then, it does nothing to explain TSMC's woes at 20nm. AMD selling off spinning off their foundries into GloFo is not the goddamn problem here, why the gently caress would you even bring that up for any reason other than grasping at straws because you don't understand a single goddamn thing about what I just said? That's like jumping in on a very intricate discussion about the subtleties Greek philosophy and the underpinnings laying the foundation for thought going forward and loudly yelling, "GREEKS WERE BRAIN DAMAGED BY THE LEAD IN THEIR PIPES". A fact, to be certain, but *nothing to do with the goddamn topic*, and you just draw dirty looks from the adults talking. And the worst part is that you're just standing there with your chest puffed out and your fists on your hips, looking proud of yourself, completely oblivious! You've got loving Google at your fingertips. If you're going to try to participate in a discussion about something you don't know, at LEAST put some freaking effort into it. SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Feb 5, 2015 |
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Kazinsal posted:AMD has the consoles, Nvidia has the Tegra (ARM Cortex SoC with a handful of GeForce cores). Both aren't going anywhere, and there will always be PC gamers and there will always be brand fanboys. Brand loyalty is straight up bad for the consumer. I never get how/why people identify as being Team Green or Team Red. Just buy what is the best available for your money and needs at the given time.
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betterinsodapop posted:I was thinking this as well. For me personally, I've just never had issues with AMD GPUs, and every time I'm in the market for an upgrade, they're the best performance/price available at that point in time. I would have bought a 970 had its marketing issues not driven the 290 to have some awesome price cuts.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:That chestnut is so goddamn old as to be completely irrelevant to the current discussion, and even then, it does nothing to explain TSMC's woes at 20nm. Having directly control and oversight over your production would certainly help mitigate or resolve problems before it becomes a problem. See also: Why Intel don't have this problem.
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Boiled Water posted:Having directly control and oversight over your production would certainly help mitigate or resolve problems before it becomes a problem. See also: Why Intel don't have this problem. Intel touts tardy Broadwell Core CPUs for laptops, PCs: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/05/intel_broadwell_u_launch/ Intel’s 14nm 'Tock' Dilemma: http://www.eejournal.com/archives/articles/20141204-intel14nm/ London Calling: Intel's 14-nm process delay: http://www.eetimes.com/author.asp?doc_id=1266255 Is the sky falling for Intel’s 14nm Broadwell?: http://semiaccurate.com/2014/02/19/sky-falling-intels-14nm-broadwell/ I'm sorry, what? Even taking into account that Intel delayed Broadwell's release to allow their customers to clear out Haswell silicon, it doesn't change the fact that Intel's own 14nm process was delayed by two quarters, and that they canned their plans for a 14nm Arizona facility. Again. Your statement (I hesitate to even consider calling it an argument or even discussion point) is irrelevant to the current situation, because AMD doesn't have their own fabs, and process delays can happen to ANYONE, not just people who don't own their own fabs. And lest you forget, it is not just AMD here. Nvidia has never had fabs. They would still be in the same situation regardless of if AMD still owned GloFo. SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Feb 5, 2015 |
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Intel's problem is that a delay means that their current market-leading part stays in the market longer, and that the new part will be the market leader for less time before they overtake it themselves with another winner. They are tripping over their own best-in-class products. This is not the situation AMD is in.
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AMD's not in that situation because they don't *have* any best-in-class products in the CPU market.
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Kazinsal posted:AMD's not in that situation because they don't *have* any best-in-class products in the CPU market. Yes, that is precisely my point.
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Misread, sorry. Today's been a terrible loving day for my reading comprehension skills 
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HERAK posted:I'd love to see what Intel would do if Nvidia started to produce a x86 processor. That reads like something out of the Nvidia CEO's dream journal. He has a massive hateboner for Intel. And AMD exiting the GPU market does not necessarily mean $500 minimum video cards from Nvidia. Dedicated GPUs would look like a huge money pinata for the rest of the industry (new entries) and you have the increasingly tantalizing substitute (on-die graphics).
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Gyrotica posted:You can fold for porn? Rule 34
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Darkpriest667 posted:Rule 34 GPU assisted procedural Rule 34 porn generation would see the largest supercomputing cluster in the world built as soon as the website recovered from the sudden crippling traffic flows.
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Ragingsheep posted:People are unhappy with Nvidia's response 970's memory issue so the best thing to do would be to give them more money. Alright, so I have to ask: is it still worth upgrading to a GTX 970 from my current R9 270X? Because right about now, that's pretty much all I care about. I likely wouldn't give much of a poo poo if I'd bought a 770 instead, but that's neither here nor there. 
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Everyday Lurker posted:Alright, so I have to ask: is it still worth upgrading to a GTX 970 from my current R9 270X? Because right about now, that's pretty much all I care about. I likely wouldn't give much of a poo poo if I'd bought a 770 instead, but that's neither here nor there. A 970 should be around 70% to 80% faster than a 270x, whether that is worth it is up to you.
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Verizian posted:[list][*]Do you game at 1080p? Buy a 960. Upgrade from 270X to 960? That's not worth it; not a big enough performance increase.
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HalloKitty posted:Upgrade from 270X to 960? That's not worth it; not a big enough performance increase. Agreed. A 970 will last you longer, even with the gimpy last half-gig.
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I currently have a GeForce GTX 650 Ti Boost. It seems to get the job done for most of my games, but with my i7 4770, I feel like I could push it more. Is it even worth it to upgrade right now with about a $150-$200 budget? I'd like to think maybe I could sell my 650 Ti and get some money recouped back so it's not that financially crazy for me. But, I see some of these GTX 980 videos on youtube and I'm not really impressed. Seems they are more powerful than games can really push them right now. Is there something more sensible or should I hold on to what I have for now? I'm in no rush, I'm just curious what's out there. If I could end up spending like a net $100 and significantly end up upgrading my graphics card after selling the one I have, then that could be worth it to me. Here's my setup: System specs: Processor: Intel Core(TM) i7-4770 CPU @ 3.40GHz (Runs at 3.8GHz on Turbo Mode) Motherboard: ASRock H87M Pro4 LGA 1150 Intel H87 Graphics Card: 2GB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 650 Ti BOOST Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM (2 of them, so 16GB) Power: SILVERSTONE ST50F-ES 500W ATX12V v2.3 I don't plan on getting anything above 1080p as far as monitors go for a while. 89 fucked around with this message at 11:23 on Feb 6, 2015 |
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Methylethylaldehyde posted:GPU assisted procedural Rule 34 porn generation would see the largest supercomputing cluster in the world built as soon as the website recovered from the sudden crippling traffic flows. You made me spit my coffee. That's legitimately funny. 89 posted:I currently have a GeForce GTX 650 Ti Boost. It seems to get the job done for most of my games, but with my i7 4770, I feel like I could push it more. Is it even worth it to upgrade right now with about a $150-$200 budget? I'd like to think maybe I could sell my 650 Ti and get some money recouped back so it's not that financially crazy for me. But, I see some of these GTX 980 videos on youtube and I'm not really impressed. Seems they are more powerful than games can really push them right now. Is there something more sensible or should I hold on to what I have for now? I'm in no rush, I'm just curious what's out there. If I could end up spending like a net $100 and significantly end up upgrading my graphics card after selling the one I have, then that could be worth it to me. If you've waited this long you should wait a few more months then where people are selling off their old stuff. You might be able to pick up a used 970 for that price now if you get someone who is especially butthurt about the bandwidth issue on the 970 (which honestly isn't an issue) Or if you don't mind AMD and have the PSU to support it you could probably get a used 290 or 290x from someone upgrading to the R9 3xx series. Wait to see how much better a 960 is than a 650ti in benchmarks and then decide if you want to spend 200 bucks on it. My personal suggestion is to wait 6 to 12 more months save twice as much money and buy a premium card that will last you longer.
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89 posted:I currently have a GeForce GTX 650 Ti Boost. It seems to get the job done for most of my games, but with my i7 4770, I feel like I could push it more. Is it even worth it to upgrade right now with about a $150-$200 budget? I'd like to think maybe I could sell my 650 Ti and get some money recouped back so it's not that financially crazy for me. But, I see some of these GTX 980 videos on youtube and I'm not really impressed. Seems they are more powerful than games can really push them right now. Is there something more sensible or should I hold on to what I have for now? I'm in no rush, I'm just curious what's out there. If I could end up spending like a net $100 and significantly end up upgrading my graphics card after selling the one I have, then that could be worth it to me. A good 960 can be had for $200-210 and will do you nicely if you want to keep it Nvidia. Or possibly even a second hand 970, since the whole 4gb scandal, alot of stores that are doing goodwill returns, etc. right now are selling off the returned cards as refurbished at a nice discount. Or maybe you can pick one up on ebay from someone trying to offload one. Don't be put off by the memory thing, its an amazing card for the money 960: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487091 Edit: argh beaten Edit edit: Darkpriest, the benchmarks are already out, its about twice as good. http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/charts/2015-vga-charts/04-Metro-Last-Light-1080p,3667.html Echoing Darkpriest's comments though. You've got a highend system there in terms of CPU and RAM, but its matched to a mid-range GPU. Buy a 970 and you'll enjoy it for longer before going "ugh this is too slow again". The 970 is more matching in terms of lifespan of your computer. Ahdinko fucked around with this message at 12:16 on Feb 6, 2015 |
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Ahdinko posted:A good 960 can be had for $200-210 and will do you nicely if you want to keep it Nvidia. Or possibly even a second hand 970, since the whole 4gb scandal, alot of stores that are doing goodwill returns, etc. right now are selling off the returned cards as refurbished at a nice discount. Or maybe you can pick one up on ebay from someone trying to offload one. Don't be put off by the memory thing, its an amazing card for the money Thanks, guys! Sounds like I need to keep an eye out for a 970 then. Those benchmarks you posted make it look like the 970 kills the 960. Here's a more basic GPU question and forgive me for asking....but when I type in GeForce GTX 970 into a place like newegg, like 30 results come up of the same card with small details being different. What do I need to watch out on that?
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89 posted:Thanks, guys! Sounds like I need to keep an eye out for a 970 then. Those benchmarks you posted make it look like the 970 kills the 960. Here's a more basic GPU question and forgive me for asking....but when I type in GeForce GTX 970 into a place like newegg, like 30 results come up of the same card with small details being different. What do I need to watch out on that? Just get this one: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-gtx970gaming4g
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89 posted:Thanks, guys! Sounds like I need to keep an eye out for a 970 then. Those benchmarks you posted make it look like the 970 kills the 960. Here's a more basic GPU question and forgive me for asking....but when I type in GeForce GTX 970 into a place like newegg, like 30 results come up of the same card with small details being different. What do I need to watch out on that? There many different manufacturer brands, and alot of those manufacturers have a range of the same card. Basically the normal differences as you go up the ranges are that they strap a bigger cooler to it and maybe put some better quality parts on, then they overclock the card. For example, here is EVGA's 970 range in order from slowest to fastest card: 970 970 SuperClocked (sc) 970 SC ACX 2.0 970 SSC ACX 2.0 970 FTW ACX 2.0 970 FTW+ ACX 2.0 EVGA and MSI are solid brands known for fast, quality cards. EVGA in particular has awesome customer service. They'll give you a 5 year warranty for free and alot of stuff like that. You'll pay $10-$30 more for a good MSI/EVGA card over a poo poo brand like Palit, but as its something you're planning on owning for the next 3+ years, its probably worth it. Ahdinko fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Feb 6, 2015 |
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(Canada) I'm juggling between this and a 970... http://www.ncix.com/detail/msi-radeon-r9-290x-gaming-df-92892-1509.htm MSI 290X Twin Frozr IV on sale for 439.99, plus a $100 MIR = 339.99 How can I go wrong? DadWilly fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Feb 6, 2015 |
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Safetyland posted:I'm juggling between this and a 970... http://www.ncix.com/detail/msi-radeon-r9-290x-gaming-df-92892-1509.htm By purchasing a 290X. A 970 will outperform a 290X once you factor in overclocking, and use substantially less power, and put out substantially less heat. I wouldn't contemplate a 290 or 290X unless it was under $300.
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The Lord Bude posted:By purchasing a 290X. A 970 will outperform a 290X once you factor in overclocking, and use substantially less power, and put out substantially less heat. I wouldn't contemplate a 290 or 290X unless it was under $300. NCIX is Canadian. $339.99 CAD is about $260 USD.
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Ahdinko posted:For example, here is EVGA's 970 range in order from slowest to fastest card: Please tell me FTW means something other than 'for the win'?
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DarthBlingBling posted:Please tell me FTW means something other than 'for the win'? I'm sorry you had to find out this way.
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Don't worry, that's practically tasteful compared to ECS motherboards
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Hace posted:Don't worry, that's practically tasteful compared to ECS motherboards please don't GANK my DRONE, mr. L337 GAMING, it was very expensive
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Here's a question - exactly how much would say, a R9 370X have to outperform a GTX 970 for many to consider it, where the power consumption and heat are pointless factors compared to performance. IIRC, the 380X leaked benches indicate better performance than the GTX 980, so it looks like the 370X will be competing with the 970. Does it have to be equal? Or can they manage 2:3 ratio between performance/consumption and it'd still be worth it?
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FaustianQ posted:Here's a question - exactly how much would say, a R9 370X have to outperform a GTX 970 for many to consider it, where the power consumption and heat are pointless factors compared to performance. IIRC, the 380X leaked benches indicate better performance than the GTX 980, so it looks like the 370X will be competing with the 970. Since I'd highly doubt a 370x would be anywhere near as expensive as a 970, 1:1 in performance or a little less and it would be immensely popular
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Ragingsheep posted:People are unhappy with Nvidia's response 970's memory issue so the best thing to do would be to give them more money. I emailed them but I didn't get a reply. The jerks won't even let me throw money at them.
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FaustianQ posted:Here's a question - exactly how much would say, a R9 370X have to outperform a GTX 970 for many to consider it, where the power consumption and heat are pointless factors compared to performance. IIRC, the 380X leaked benches indicate better performance than the GTX 980, so it looks like the 370X will be competing with the 970. If power consumption, heat, and noise are pointless factors compared to performance, then whichever one delivers a better performance/price ratio once shipping and taxes are included is the one I'll buy.
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HERAK posted:I'd love to see what Intel would do if Nvidia started to produce a x86 processor. They would sue and win in court as cross-licensing deal between Intel and Nvidia forbids Nvidia either doing x86 processors or transmeta-style x86 emulation. (source: http://semiaccurate.com/2010/08/17/details-emerge-about-nvidias-x86-cpu/ )
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SwissArmyDruid posted:If power consumption, heat, and noise are pointless factors compared to performance, then whichever one delivers a better performance/price ratio once shipping and taxes are included is the one I'll buy. Not pointless factors, just when performance is the overriding factor for a given price/TDP. Is the heat worth it if it has .95:1 performance to the 970 and costs 250$? Maybe I am phrasing the question incorrectly - how much is a low TDP or power consumption worth? It doesn't seem entirely subjective, I remember the Fermi poo poo storm and this seems to be the same situation but reversed, yet people still bought Fermi cards even when the 5XX0 series was competitive in performance but the noise/TDP were definitely in AMDs favor.
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With decent custom coolers vendors are now installing onto cards, noise is a non-factor for both nvidia and ati unless you live on the sun I thought? Power usage might be a factor if you live in some backwater country like Germany or Netherlands, where their ~green power~ policy caused the power prices to skyrocket to really stupid levels. Or if you do something that loads your pc 24/7, because a couple hours of 200W per week for gaming isn't going to be noticeable. e: Or you're a datacenter with heat issues.
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