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dissss posted:
Oh hell no, there is little to no real difference in niceness but otherwise the crew cabs loving suck. The rear seats are nasty to sit in. Less load capacity than a dual cab Hilux, nasty suspension options, less load carrying capacity too. The length is the least of their problems, good idea hobbled by lousy execution.
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captainOrbital posted:Didn't Dodge make a hideous purple truck with a drop-top? The Dakota convertible. 
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Feb 6, 2015 01:15
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Don't forget the Chevy SSR too. You can even get it with an LS2 and 6 speed manual for like one model year (2005 I think). Folding retractable hard top too:
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Feb 6, 2015 01:16
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I'm pretty much convinced I'm one of the only people alive who genuinely likes the Chevy SSR. And I can never explain why I like it, just that I do.
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Feb 6, 2015 01:26
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KakerMix posted:
Buddy had a G8 GT. It was a savage.
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Cat Terrist posted:Oh hell no, there is little to no real difference in niceness but otherwise the crew cabs loving suck. The rear seats are nasty to sit in. Less load capacity than a dual cab Hilux, nasty suspension options, less load carrying capacity too. The length is the least of their problems, good idea hobbled by lousy execution. Well I've never actually been in the back on one, but the front is certainly a lot more spacious than the single cab models
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T1g4h posted:I'm pretty much convinced I'm one of the only people alive who genuinely likes the Chevy SSR. And I can never explain why I like it, just that I do. I worked at an auto auction a decade ago that had a few of the first ones and they went for a ridiculous amount of money. I thought that bode well for them but then they went the way of the Prowler.
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captainOrbital posted:Didn't Dodge make a hideous purple truck with a drop-top? Nope it was Chevy, I give you the SSR;  And here it is in purple with the top down;  Edit: Dodge (Plymouth) produced the Prowler;  And of course the Chrysler gave us the PT Cruiser, but I will not willing subject humans to its hideousness. Outside Dawg fucked around with this message at 02:40 on Feb 6, 2015 |
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Feb 6, 2015 02:27
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Wasn't the SSR used as a point to explain how pre-bankruptcy GM lost its way?
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KakerMix posted:Wasn't the SSR used as a point to explain how pre-bankruptcy GM lost its way? I don't think the SSR was hated that much, but Bob Lutz makes a big point in his book about how the Envoy XUV (stupid GM SUV that has a retractable roof in the back so it can carry tall stuff) and how it was designed to be a 'grandfather clock mover' and passed all the focus tests and market research with flying colors, yet was a terrible car that no one wanted:  See also Pontiac Aztek. Lutz mentions how the managers of that car came to him in tears because they were so proud of that car and that it passed every checkpoint on time. Doesn't matter if you ship a piece of poo poo on time, it's still a piece of poo poo.
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Feb 6, 2015 02:34
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What kind of focus tests were they doing that said those cars were good ideas?
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keevo posted:What kind of focus tests were they doing that said those cars were good ideas? pulling random shoppers out of a mall. seriously, if somebody made me go to a mall, and then someone came up and started asking me poo poo, i would gently caress with them and we'd get a new PT cruiser. Powershift fucked around with this message at 03:05 on Feb 6, 2015 |
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Feb 6, 2015 03:02
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Well, the SSR is a good idea. I like the body and concept. But since development from prototype awesomeness to production vehicle takes a few years; in that time large SUV's went from a small hype to what the mainstream audience were buying. The Aztek, also, is a really good family car (if you don't care about exterior appearances) it has nooks and crannies and the space to carry a family and their luggage on a road trip. However, it was not enough for the crowd that traded in their minivans for SUV's.
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Feb 6, 2015 03:08
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Exactly, i'd say dumb stuff like that so they would build a terrible car.
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Feb 6, 2015 03:11
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JazzmasterCurious posted:Well, the SSR is a good idea. I like the body and concept. I can't imagine how a pickup, that has a hard tonneau cover that does not permit you to carry anything of substance, and loses half of its cargo capacity when you put the folding metal roof down, could remotely be called a good idea.
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Feb 6, 2015 03:23
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Outside Dawg posted:I can't imagine how a pickup, that has a hard tonneau cover that does not permit you to carry anything of substance, and loses half of its cargo capacity when you put the folding metal roof down, could remotely be called a good idea.
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Feb 6, 2015 03:28
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Outside Dawg posted:Nope it was Chevy, I give you the SSR; drat, I used to like the Prowler until I saw this picture and the words "PT Cruiser" in the same frame...
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Feb 6, 2015 04:01
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The prowler looked really cool to preteen boys, which I was at the time.
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Feb 6, 2015 04:03
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Cojawfee posted:The prowler looked really cool to preteen boys, which I was at the time. Even as a preteen boy I remember being very unhappy when I found out that you couldn't get it with a stick.
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Terrible Robot posted:Even as a preteen boy I remember being very unhappy when I found out that you couldn't get it with a stick. I that a car like that needs the tallest stick shift that can possibly fit under the headliner. And it needs to be capped with a skull or a pair of dice or something. Basically the shifter from Holdbrooks' Bosu truck. Except not ironic.
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I think the SSR was targeted at 50+ boomers who remembered cruising around in hotrod 40's and 50's pickup trucks and wanted something similar. I seriously doubt they ever expected any owner to use the bed for anything beyond hauling golf clubs.
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Feb 6, 2015 05:13
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Besides, tons of people put tonneau covers on their pickups that are too much work to take off so they can't fit anything over 18 inches tall into their huge pickup bed.
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Cat Hatter posted:Besides, tons of people put tonneau covers on their pickups that are too much work to take off so they can't fit anything over 18 inches tall into their huge pickup bed. Yeah, you can take it off in 10 minutes in your garage if you need to, and you don't need a filler panel to make it look like a truck again. the box is also rarely carpeted. You can still fit a queensize matress and box spring with the cover on. That said, the SSR is rated for 2500lbs towing and 1300lb payload. The reg cab SRT-10 ram wasn't rated for towing, and only had a 500lb payload rating because the clutch and transmission was never designed to move weight. Funnily enough, both are slower than a base model F-150, hemi ram or 6.2/8 speed silverado.
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mod sassinator posted:I think the SSR was targeted at 50+ boomers who remembered cruising around in hotrod 40's and 50's pickup trucks and wanted something similar. I seriously doubt they ever expected any owner to use the bed for anything beyond hauling golf clubs. I don't know a set of golf clubs might be pushing it a bit. Maybe with the tailgate down.  (e): Especially once it finishes swallowing that roof. Outside Dawg fucked around with this message at 08:31 on Feb 6, 2015 |
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JazzmasterCurious posted:I haven't paid that much attention to detail there's a tonneau cover that you can't just chuck away? So you can't actually load higher than the cover? Seriously? No wonder GM was (is) doomed. The GM/Holden ute high performance utes down here are the same. But the cover can be removed and stored in your garage. They still have lovely load and tow ratings compared to the ford ute. The ford ute is rear tray on a chassis, unlike the unibody GM/H, so the ford is a real workhorse available with tray/flat bed, or tonneau cover, or canopy/custom storage for lock away items like tools and gas cylinders and has greater load and tow ratings; which is the reason why my ute is a ford even if it means it doesn't have a LSx. Fo3 fucked around with this message at 12:09 on Feb 6, 2015 |
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Terrible Robot posted:Even as a preteen boy I remember being very unhappy when I found out that you couldn't get it with a stick. I felt the same way about the Volvo 850R wagon when I was young. Although I somehow found out (this was before every company in the world had a website) that the Canadian version was offered as a 5-speed.
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KakerMix posted:
Everyone said this on the internet, but when it came out, nobody bought one. Which was a big factor for why you can't buy a new Pontiac today.
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Feb 6, 2015 19:51
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They don't have a season preview/schedule for TGUK anywhere do they? Basically I am wondering if we know if and when the UK vs US competition is happening.
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Feb 6, 2015 19:55
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Mighty Horse posted:Everyone said this on the internet, but when it came out, nobody bought one. I drove one when they came to Canada. Other than the engine there was nothing for me to like. Felt cheap and they wanted too much for it.
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Xenoid posted:I drove one when they came to Canada. Other than the engine there was nothing for me to like. Felt cheap and they wanted too much for it. Cars area lot more expensive in Australia so I don't see how selling those models in North America was ever going to work.
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Outside Dawg posted:Nope it was Chevy, I give you the SSR; 
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projecthalaxy posted:The thing I thought was most interesting about this week was the braking test. I know the highway estimates are high on purpose and those were fancy performance cars but seeing them stop up at like 1/3 the distance was crazy. If the UK highway code if like the US code, the stopping distance includes a generous allowance for reaction time. So the tests were more than a little bit disingenuous. Way back in the day when I took driver's education, they showed a video with a driver going around a track at various speeds, and a marker charge would randomly go off, as a signal to panic stop, and then a second charge would go off when the brake was first pressed, and they would measure from the first charge to where the car stopped. That would have been a much fairer test. It also showed graphically how far you travel before you can react. Their discussion about being allowed to travel at 2-3 times the speed limit assumes braking distance scales 1:1 with speed. It doesn't, braking time scales 1:1, but the distance is a the second integral of the acceleration vs time function. So stopping distance increases much more than linearly with speed.
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Even allowing for that, the Highway code stopping distances are pretty much based on "myopic pensioner with the reaction times somewhat akin to Kelvin's pitch glacier experiment, driving a Ford Prefect with decidedly dicky brakes".
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Feb 8, 2015 00:43
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I remember this! Wasn't he like, born from an egg? A car egg?!?? loving Animes. 
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lt_kennedy posted:I remember this! Wasn't he like, born from an egg? A car egg?!?? loving Animes. You tryin' to tell me that's not how cars are made?
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lt_kennedy posted:I remember this! Wasn't he like, born from an egg? A car egg?!?? loving Animes. Apparently yes, he was.
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Powershift posted:Exactly, i'd say dumb stuff like that so they would build a terrible car.  Also, is there a way to get a coachbuilder to make a shooting brake version of a Dodge Challenger? I see that Pontiac G8 Wagon and I see the occasional Dodge Magnum and I see loads of Challengers and dammit I want a Challenger Wagon with the same side tail lines as the Magnum but also with the iconic tail lights. CannonFodder fucked around with this message at 06:54 on Feb 8, 2015 |
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Feb 8, 2015 06:49
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Jesus the memories flood right back - also the one where there was a baby born with a wheel for legs - google only gives me pictures of children in wheelchairs 
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CannonFodder posted:
You might be able to go back in time, buy an old challenger and make a shooting brake version of that. Nowadays, the body of the car is the frame, so you can't really do all that much to modify it.
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