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ImpAtom posted:The Dragonball rules don't make a lot of sense anyway. Didn't Kami lets Goku use it without the time limit once in Dragonball? You'd figure he could have done that poo poo again when Saiyan problems were going down. I only saw good evidence for this after Freeza, but the dragonballs don't allow you to make a wish that causes something to happen to someone against their will. Goku refused to be wished back to Earth, presumably villains can refuse to be killed or teleported.
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Kenshiro would gently caress all your Gokus right up
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Feb 6, 2015 04:57
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TriffTshngo posted:You're really underestimating how stupid broken Superman is. I can think of several characters off hand who could chump Superman, even excluding nearly the entire fighting cast of Dragon Ball from Radditz on. He's not that strong.
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Feb 6, 2015 05:00
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Pre-Crisis Supes is legit completely broken. Post-Crisis he is more manageable. Dunno about Nu52 Supes though.
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Feb 6, 2015 05:02
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Pureauthor posted:Pre-Crisis Supes is legit completely broken. Pre-Crisis he is more manageable. A nuke nearly kills him in a comic from last year or the year before, so Nu52 is as weak as he's ever been. Even Pre-Crisis there was about a billion people who could put him in headlocks in his own comics, though.
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Feb 6, 2015 05:03
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WickedHate posted:A nuke nearly kills him in a comic from last year or the year before, so Nu52 is as weak as he's ever been. Even Pre-Crisis there was about a billion people who could put him in headlocks in his own comics, though. I don't really read comics - has DC ever been as batshit as Marvel can get with literal gods and the embodiments of time and death itself running around?
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Feb 6, 2015 05:07
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Spiritus Nox posted:I don't really read comics - has DC ever been as batshit as Marvel can get with literal gods and the embodiments of time and death itself running around? Superman could always power up by flying into the sun. He did it in OWAW or whatever the gently caress crossover. Went SSJ, punched out some gods, destroyed space time, the usual.
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Feb 6, 2015 05:09
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Spiritus Nox posted:I don't really read comics - has DC ever been as batshit as Marvel can get with literal gods and the embodiments of time and death itself running around? Well, there's the Endless, but they don't show up very often.
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Feb 6, 2015 05:09
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Spiritus Nox posted:I don't really read comics - has DC ever been as batshit as Marvel can get with literal gods and the embodiments of time and death itself running around? Way more batshit. DC defaults a couple notches closer to cosmic wackiness.
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Feb 6, 2015 05:16
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Goku pretty much dominated the fight technically and Superman had to keep up with him by getting closer to the sun. The idea that Superman under an ordinary midday sun could keep up with SSJ3/4 is insane though. It ends with Superman meditating on the surface of the sun for fifteen minutes while Goku charges a spirit bomb. That's a believable scenario for Superman victory. With the inclusion of god mode Goku could have won if we're working on the idea that a god is beyond mere physical damage. Especially with the established rule that Superman is as vulnerable to magic as an ordinary person. And they worked off of each character at their prime. Sure Superman got put in a headlock, but if we want to work off of each character's worst moment let's not forget that Yamcha smashed Goku so hard it broke the fourth wall.
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Feb 6, 2015 05:16
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dogs named Charlie posted:. It ends with Superman meditating on the surface of the sun for fifteen minutes while Goku charges a spirit bomb. That's a believable scenario for Superman victory. It's really not, when Goku at base could destroy the sun effortlessly.
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Feb 6, 2015 05:19
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I think in a sheer physical fight, Goku might be able to take Supes, but the problem is that Goku can't breathe in a vacuum and Supes can.Spiritus Nox posted:I don't really read comics - has DC ever been as batshit as Marvel can get with literal gods and the embodiments of time and death itself running around? The Greek pantheon are actual characters in DC.
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Feb 6, 2015 05:19
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They're better characters in Marvel, though.
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Feb 6, 2015 05:21
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Man I love DBZ but Goku has no chance against Superman  Also anywhere to go watch some Xenoverse vids from Japan? Specifically I would like to watch some versus play with people who know what they are doing.
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Feb 6, 2015 05:23
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Why would Goku and Superman fight each other though?
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Feb 6, 2015 05:28
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Well Manicured Man posted:Why would Goku and Superman fight each other though? To take dibs on who fights Green Arrow
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Feb 6, 2015 05:29
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Goku may have been dropped on his head as a baby, but he's still Saiyan.
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Feb 6, 2015 05:30
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Silver Age Superman would win through the power of Super Cooking.
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Feb 6, 2015 05:34
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Doesn't matter Kirby could beat Superman and Goku.
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Feb 6, 2015 05:55
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Everyone loses to Squirrel Girl.
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Feb 6, 2015 06:08
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Pureauthor posted:Everyone loses to Fixed that for you. Even Squirrel Girl got eaten by Luke Cage once.
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Feb 6, 2015 06:18
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MH Knights posted:Even Squirrel Girl got eaten by Luke Cage once. 
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dogs named Charlie posted:With the inclusion of god mode Goku could have won if we're working on the idea that a god is beyond mere physical damage. Nah, gods are perfectly vulnerable to physical damage. Two of Vegeta's strikes actually end up drawing blood when he fights Beerus, one of them being this kick: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdEbG49_Zkc It's mortal ki that doesn't do poo poo to them. Having said that, God Goku could probably gently caress Supes right up due to the form's magical nature. Magic fucks him right up. e: why are all these youtube rips so zoomed in and lovely i know why shut up
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Feb 6, 2015 06:27
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MH Knights posted:Fixed that for you. Even Squirrel Girl got eaten by Luke Cage once. Do you think that you'd be able to withstand the funk?  Although this gives me an idea for a Xenoverse character. Does anyone know if there are blouses with plunging necklines for men? Or if I can wear a tiara while having an afro? Testekill fucked around with this message at 06:33 on Feb 6, 2015 |
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Feb 6, 2015 06:28
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Oh god how I miss Faulconer's music. I don't even care if it's because of nostalgia, that scene was just better with his music.
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Going back to how many arcs there are, here's how I've always seen it: Dragon Ball: Pilaf Arc, 21st Tenkaichi Budokai Arc, Red Ribbon Army Arc, Uranai Baba Arc, 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai Arc, King Piccolo Arc, and 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai Arc. DBZ: Vegeta Arc, Freeza Arc, Cell Arc, Buu Arc That's it. Maybe the Freeza Arc is split up into the Namek Arc, Ginyu Force Arc, and then Freeza Arc. And the Cell Arc may be split into the Android Arc, Cell Arc, and Cell Games Arc. But there's no drat Raditz Arc or Trunks Arc.
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Feb 6, 2015 10:42
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Blue Star posted:Going back to how many arcs there are, here's how I've always seen it: I've always folded Baba with the RRA but they're technically separate.
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Feb 6, 2015 10:50
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They aren't really, because it is technically Goku's hunt for his grandpa that is the overarching plot and he does that at the end of Uranai Baba arc. From collecting his momento of his grandfather, he realizes that life is more precious than any trinket by saving Upa's father. I see him having met his grandfather and said proper goodbyes to be the real conclusion to the arc, where the main antagonist was the Red Ribbon army.
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Feb 6, 2015 11:30
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Some Numbers posted:I think in a sheer physical fight, Goku might be able to take Supes, but the problem is that Goku can't breathe in a vacuum and Supes can. Saiyans have been shown in Vacuums no problem. Even in Battle of Gods.
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Kild posted:Saiyans have been shown in Vacuums no problem. Even in Battle of Gods. Near-Earth Orbit and vacuum aren't... quite the same. Also Goku had become an actual god.
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Feb 6, 2015 14:13
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Kild posted:Saiyans have been shown in Vacuums no problem. Even in Battle of Gods. It wouldn't be that difficult given the scope of Saiyan powers. An invisible ki bubble just strong enough to trap in atmosphere would be enough to sustain a person for a short jaunt out into space, and even allow a medium for sound waves to propagate for speech. I properly trained ki user should, in theory, be able to throw one up almost as a reflex when faced with a sudden vacuum. And in regards to the Goku vs. Superman debate, despite my many issues with the very questionable math Death Battle used to justify Superman's victory, they were still correct in the end and summed up the reason why perfectly. Goku is a man who, when given time to train, can surpass any limit. But Superman has no limits in the first place.
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Feb 6, 2015 14:17
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Hobo Siege posted:Nah, gods are perfectly vulnerable to physical damage. Two of Vegeta's strikes actually end up drawing blood when he fights Beerus, one of them being this kick: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdEbG49_Zkc This was a top Vegeta moment in all of DBZ 
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:Near-Earth Orbit and vacuum aren't... quite the same. Also Goku had become an actual god. Apparently, this picture was taken from within the athomsphere of Earth: 
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Esroc posted:It wouldn't be that difficult given the scope of Saiyan powers. An invisible ki bubble just strong enough to trap in atmosphere would be enough to sustain a person for a short jaunt out into space, and even allow a medium for sound waves to propagate for speech. I properly trained ki user should, in theory, be able to throw one up almost as a reflex when faced with a sudden vacuum. Heck, Jedi can do it. And they do use Ki bubbles, according to the anime anyway. For some reason, I still remember that scene from the Goku Freeza fight, where Freeza knocks Goku into the lava, and Goku emerges while clearly making a bubble around him to make sure the lava never touches him. I just thought it was a neat touch.
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Feb 6, 2015 14:26
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Zzulu posted:This was a top Vegeta moment in all of DBZ I don't think Vegeta has ever been that goddamn mad. I don't think anyone in history has ever been that goddamn mad.
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Feb 6, 2015 14:32
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My biggest problem with the Death Battle was that Superman was ready and willing to blow up the loving PLANET at the end. He presumably had to know the consequences of attacking Goku like that would be, and "Man of Steel" jokes aside (I love that loving movie and will defend it forever), he never would have taken that route. I think he would have allowed himself to die before blowing up the planet. And I know the whole point is that it is a "death" battle, but THAT is a Superman "weakness" that was not explored- putting the lives of others before his own.
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Feb 6, 2015 15:46
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:Near-Earth Orbit and vacuum aren't... quite the same. Also Goku had become an actual god. Goku went to the moon in Dragon Ball. Vegeta was willing to destroy Earth with his Garlic Gun. Bardock stuff. Vegeta going Super Saiyan. 
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Feb 6, 2015 16:04
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New Leaf posted:My biggest problem with the Death Battle was that Superman was ready and willing to blow up the loving PLANET at the end. He presumably had to know the consequences of attacking Goku like that would be, and "Man of Steel" jokes aside (I love that loving movie and will defend it forever), he never would have taken that route. I think he would have allowed himself to die before blowing up the planet. And I know the whole point is that it is a "death" battle, but THAT is a Superman "weakness" that was not explored- putting the lives of others before his own. Of course Supes was allowed to go blow up the planet but we don't let Goku blow up the solar system and then teleport somewhere else.
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New Leaf posted:My biggest problem with the Death Battle was that Superman was ready and willing to blow up the loving PLANET at the end. He presumably had to know the consequences of attacking Goku like that would be, and "Man of Steel" jokes aside (I love that loving movie and will defend it forever), he never would have taken that route. I think he would have allowed himself to die before blowing up the planet. And I know the whole point is that it is a "death" battle, but THAT is a Superman "weakness" that was not explored- putting the lives of others before his own. If I remember correctly, they do mention that in the end. Supes would win, but at the cost of the planet if he really wanted it. But it was kind of in passing.
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AlternateNu posted:If I remember correctly, they do mention that in the end. Supes would win, but at the cost of the planet if he really wanted it. But it was kind of in passing. What I'm saying is, if that was indeed the case, he wouldn't win. End of story.
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