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The Question IRL posted:Namor's actions (blowing up the Society's World, unleashing the Cabal) in particular are unpardonable. He is responsible for the death of Trillions. At least Namor killed to save others. T'Challa tried to straight up murder him out of revenge. So T'Challa is an attempted murderer without any sort of morality issues to save face.
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Codependent Poster posted:At least Namor killed to save others. T'Challa tried to straight up murder him out of revenge. So T'Challa is an attempted murderer without any sort of morality issues to save face. The revenge of him almost destroying his country. Namor was also fully aware that T'Challa was going to try to kill him.
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Feb 5, 2015 19:31
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hope and vaseline posted:It's one of the victims of the 8 month jump. Sure, it let Hickman do some really interesting things with the status quo, adding more urgency to the incursions, and putting us in media res with the pesudo Civil War situation, but it ended up with a lot of really interesting stuff that is just alluded to instead of expanded on. And yeah you could definitely make a point that restructuring the previous 2 acts to allow for a more natural thematic progression would have worked better so I'm wondering just how much of the jump was planned in the first place. Yeah, agreed. Of course you will always have issues with Hindsight as a storyteller where you look back and see things you could have done differently. By and large Hickman always nails it out of the park, and is such a talented long term story teller (how his previous works all seem to interconnect and tell an overarching story) that this is more a minor missed opportunity than a major flaw with the Incursion story. jsoh posted:i thought that dozen or whatever universes left were just the ones with an earth, and that the ones where the earths were destroyed were severed permanently but still extant? namor saved zillions! I thought that too, but now I'm not sure. At the start of the Story Arc we all seemed to think that blowing up the Earth spared the universe, but that was before we learned at how the 616 is undergoing an early death. (What with all the stars blowing up prematurely.) It's possibly/ likely that all other universes are experiencing the same fate, which would tally with the overall theme/message of the book "EVERYTHING DIES!" This combined with the fact that there seems to be more blank/dead spaces between universes indicates that they are gone. Also in the last issue, when Reed and T'Challa were talking about their "Use the Cosmic Cube to Evacuate the Earth" plan, it seemed to be with a view that even after they blew up their Earth, they would still be able to interact with the Multiverse and stop the overall cause of this. (Just without the ticking clock.) So maybe blowing up the Earth just means there is no second Earth for a Universe to smack into when an Incursion does occurs and makes it all okay? I'm not sure. Plus they seem to be playing up that there is a bigger gap of no Universes that Thor, Hyperion and Co. were jumping across to find the Black Priests.
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Feb 5, 2015 20:52
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jsoh posted:i thought that dozen or whatever universes left were just the ones with an earth, and that the ones where the earths were destroyed were severed permanently but still extant? namor saved zillions! Yeah. It's a lovely thing to get technical about but Namor isn't responsible for the death of trillions. He killed billions to save trillions, that was the point.
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Feb 5, 2015 20:54
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PelvicNerve posted:Yeah. It's a lovely thing to get technical about but Namor isn't responsible for the death of trillions. He killed billions to save trillions, that was the point. I think all those earths he helped The Cabal take out are some additions to the equation.
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Feb 5, 2015 21:22
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jsoh posted:i thought that dozen or whatever universes left were just the ones with an earth, and that the ones where the earths were destroyed were severed permanently but still extant? namor saved zillions! Not exactly. Reed's diagram from NA#2 explains it but it goes like: destroying Earth "saves" the universe right there and then but it brings the end-death of ALL the universes closer. It's why stars are randomly collapsing and poo poo is going bad everywhere (celestials vanishing). All the universes are dying as the number of Earths is reduced. Blowing up and earth just delays things bit. Everyone dies.
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Feb 5, 2015 22:06
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bobkatt013 posted:The revenge of him almost destroying his country. Namor was also fully aware that T'Challa was going to try to kill him. This was after Wakanda had completely destroyed Atlantis. Namor didn't attempt to murder someone out of cold blood, and T'Challa did.
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Feb 5, 2015 22:29
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First Bass posted:I just noticed how sort of... boring Earth's getting. Atlantis flattened, Wakanda razed, Attilan in ruins (and worse yet, Jersey!), Asgardia back amongst the stars... it sort of feels like a huge push back against Avengers World's attempts to flesh out the uniqueness of 616. Makes one wonder what it's all going to look like after Secret Wars. All titles canceled except Daredevil and Spider-man, and all they ever do is fight Stilt-man and the Enforcers.
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Feb 5, 2015 22:32
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Codependent Poster posted:This was after Wakanda had completely destroyed Atlantis. Namor didn't attempt to murder someone out of cold blood, and T'Challa did. When was this? I am pretty sure Namor decided to destroy Wakanda since they were hiding the Avengers.
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Feb 5, 2015 22:34
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bobkatt013 posted:When was this? I am pretty sure Namor decided to destroy Wakanda since they were hiding the Avengers. A Phoenix-possessed Namor attacked Wakanda after the Avengers invaded the X-Men's home, and attacked and kidnapped some of their kids. Then Wakanda went and destroyed Atlantis.
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Feb 5, 2015 22:39
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Codependent Poster posted:A Phoenix-possessed Namor attacked Wakanda after the Avengers invaded the X-Men's home, and attacked and kidnapped some of their kids. Then Wakanda went and destroyed Atlantis. Then Namor sent Thanos's army to destroy Wakanda
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Feb 5, 2015 22:43
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Really it comes down to Wakanda and Atlantis kicking those 2 the gently caress out.
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Feb 5, 2015 23:51
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bobkatt013 posted:Then Namor sent Thanos's army to destroy Wakanda Yeah, it's turtles all the way down at this point.
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Feb 6, 2015 06:57
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First Bass posted:Makes one wonder what it's all going to look like after Secret Wars. Not to be a negative Nancy but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say "pretty much status quo" I mean, just based on future things coming out, we all know there's an Inhumans book coming out, so I'd say Attilan won't be smouldering ash, Black Panther's due for a movie, so Wakanda will rise again (if it doesn't just pop back immediately post-SW), Ms. Marvel's too popular to let Jersey die... well okay, I guess there's no reason Atlantis can't stay hosed. Sorry Namor.
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Feb 6, 2015 08:29
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Really it comes down to Wakanda and Atlantis kicking those 2 the gently caress out. I'm parsing this all as "AvX was poo poo". TwoPair posted:Not to be a negative Nancy but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say "pretty much status quo" I mean, in all likelihood it will resemble some status quo from the recent past, but when exactly? The past decade or so has been so chock-full of event comics, the new normal has been no normal. At the very least, we can guess what pieces of it will look like based on what the movies/TV properties are shaping up to be, but how willing are they to throw out, say, Death of Wolverine and Original Sin before the bodies are even cold?
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Feb 6, 2015 09:14
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All female Avengers team is coming out of Secret Wars. Written by Wilson w/Molina on art. Being fully announced later today on the View. http://mashable.com/2015/02/06/marvel-female-avengers-a-force/
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Feb 6, 2015 17:31
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That looks awesome. EDIT: 
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Feb 6, 2015 17:34
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The Ultimate universe seems especially unlucky when it comes to incursions. Reed says he's killed 67 worlds while by my count the 616 universe has faced only 21 incursions. I guess the Ultimate universe is lucky to have the Reed Richards it does. Also that new Avengers book looks cool.
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Feb 6, 2015 17:35
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Deadpool posted:That looks awesome.
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Feb 6, 2015 17:39
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Also it looks like Monica Rambeau is getting put back in her old Captain Marvel costume
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Feb 6, 2015 17:43
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redbackground posted:Dazzler, awwyiss. Non Goth/punk Dazzler that Bendis tried. Neat.
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Feb 6, 2015 17:44
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Phoenix Jean, Universe, and Wanda alone would wreck the hell out of anything. I love everything about it. Jubilee, Spider-Gwen, RESCUE, old-school Gamora, Dazzler! Only one I don't recognize is the goth at the bottom right but I know I've seen her somewhere (runaways?)
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Feb 6, 2015 17:45
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Dacap posted:Also it looks like Monica Rambeau is getting put back in her old Captain Marvel costume That has a bunch of alternate universe characters in it, like powered Jubilee, Spider-Gwen, and Phoenix. I wouldn't read that much into it.
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Feb 6, 2015 17:45
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i think its nico but she looks pretty white
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Feb 6, 2015 17:49
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So Spider-Woman is back in her old costume? That was fast.
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Feb 6, 2015 18:10
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Who's the one who looks like Eternity's sister? Abyss?
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Feb 6, 2015 18:10
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Majuju posted:Who's the one who looks like Eternity's sister? Abyss? It's either a newly designed Captain Universe from Hickman's run or the new character they mention in the article named Singularity. My guess is the latter.
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Feb 6, 2015 18:12
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Deadpool posted:It's either a newly designed Captain Universe from Hickman's run or the new character they mention in the article named Singularity. My guess is the latter. My guess is that they are one in the same and she gets some new version of the powers due to multiversal collapse.
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Feb 6, 2015 18:13
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SirDan3k posted:My guess is that they are one in the same and she gets some new version of the powers due to multiversal collapse. quote:They also had a mandate to create a new character, and Wilson came up with Singularity. Instead of being a flesh-and-blood human, she's actually a cosmological event — according to Wilson, she is a pocket universe that gained self-consciousness during the radical upheaval of Secret Wars. So it's definitely Singularity.
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Feb 6, 2015 18:23
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Starsnostars posted:The Ultimate universe seems especially unlucky when it comes to incursions. Reed says he's killed 67 worlds while by my count the 616 universe has faced only 21 incursions. I guess the Ultimate universe is lucky to have the Reed Richards it does. Ultimate Reed's computer said that the number of alternate universe's went from hundred of thousands to a handful...have we seen or has it been alluded to as to what specific event caused a drastic reduction?
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Feb 6, 2015 18:30
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Ultimate Reed's computer said that the number of alternate universe's went from hundred of thousands to a handful...have we seen or has it been alluded to as to what specific event caused a drastic reduction? No, that's part of what they're trying to find out. And Reed's machine tells us it happened basically overnight.
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Feb 6, 2015 18:32
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:Ultimate Reed's computer said that the number of alternate universe's went from hundred of thousands to a handful...have we seen or has it been alluded to as to what specific event caused a drastic reduction? redbackground fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Feb 6, 2015 |
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Feb 6, 2015 18:41
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All the universes made it through group stages, but there wasn't enough time to keep doing single elimination so they just kept the 2^x with the highest matchmaking ratings.
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Feb 6, 2015 18:43
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it was probably hank pyms fault. that guy fucks up everything
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Feb 6, 2015 18:49
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I do like the idea of Hyperion and Thor punching someone so hard they collpased the majority of the multi-verse.
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Feb 6, 2015 18:50
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Deadpool posted:That has a bunch of alternate universe characters in it, like powered Jubilee, Spider-Gwen, and Phoenix. I wouldn't read that much into it. Rogue's also in her 90's Jim Lee outfit. (AKA the best one.)
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Feb 6, 2015 18:54
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:I do like the idea of Hyperion and Thor punching someone so hard they collpased the majority of the multi-verse. Jesus. Maybe fallout from the Rabum Alal battle. Would be cool.
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Feb 6, 2015 19:04
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I'm liking that A-Force cover. I wouldn't read too much into its roster as the whole point of SW is to have all these unlikely teamups.Happy Noodle Boy posted:I do like the idea of Hyperion and Thor punching someone so hard they collpased the majority of the multi-verse. By that logic, Ultimate Reed should be next in line.
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Feb 6, 2015 19:47
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Then everyone can turn on Sunspot as he caused it to happen.
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I also suspect that we'll find out what caused the collapse acceleration when we get back to Suicide Squad: Cosmic. A confrontation between Thor's crew and the big bad could have resulted in escalation from the villain (or Valeria, or Reed with a goatee, whatever).
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