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Joementum posted:Jill Stein is going to run again, so that's happening. Her campaign was super bad last time, and she has the charisma of a wet sponge.
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Karnegal posted:I'll be moving out of Illinois before the election, and the likely states are PA, VA, or MD, so I'll probably have to do a lesser of 2 evils vote. your vote doesn't count you know that, right one vote is nothing, it is piss in the ballot. vote for who you want
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SirKibbles posted:Her campaign was super bad last time, and she has the charisma of a wet sponge. So she's a third-party candidate, got it. I honestly think that the Green Party would have more success getting its message out by running for local offices, like town council, and taking advantage of those pulpits when they win, which will certainly happen more often than for presidential campaigns.
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CaptainCarrot posted:So she's a third-party candidate, got it. I honestly think that the Green Party would have more success getting its message out by running for local offices, like town council, and taking advantage of those pulpits when they win, which will certainly happen more often than for presidential campaigns. Nah you do have to run a candidate if only for media buzz, in practice it's supposed to work like one big ad, in practice 3rd parties hurt for candidates hurt for good organizing because all the people who are good at that are either 1)working for one of the 2 major parties 2) have potential but no one decent to help em hone it 3) Would rather be doing something else within the party (i.e I could do it but I feel I can do this better). Other than that, same problems any small organization has the people who have no business running things will be because they think they can do it whereas the person who should be doing it won't think they're good enough Also Mitt needs to stop toying with my emotions the country needs you Mittbot.
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V. Illych L. posted:your vote doesn't count you know that, right
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V. Illych L. posted:your vote doesn't count you know that, right edit: ^ Ha! Well I live in FL so I can't afford to think that way.
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happyhippy posted:http://thehill.com/opinion/dick-morris/231663-dick-morris-scott-walker-could-win Holy gently caress Movement Conservative has rallied around a loving milk dud. Read those loving comments, 2016 is going to be a bloodbath for them.
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Joementum posted:Jill Stein is going to run again, so that's happening. There are (unfortunately) a not-insignificant number of anti-vaxxers in the green party, and the anti-vaxx thing has already gotten way too much traction as it is. Hopefully Christie and Paul trying to backtrack like hell mostly kills the anti-vaxx issue before 2016 rolls around. fade5 fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Feb 7, 2015 |
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Rand Paul is hosting an Audit the Fed 
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Christ, they're still calling them money bombs? Its about positioning, it makes Huckster the one running the Christian insurgency. And if there's one thing Iowa evangelicals are horrid at, its engaging in an insurgent political campaign. They're all about the flash for the community, with nothing to show for the pizza and beer crowd. V. Illych L. posted:your vote doesn't count you know that, right His vote does count. In Illinois, it counts for $30.* *Assuming correct choices, otherwise his vote counts for pennies.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Christ, they're still calling them money bombs? Rand's supporters are unusually susceptible to viral campaigns.
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Deteriorata posted:Rand's supporters are unusually susceptible to viral campaigns. Probably the lack of vaccinations.
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Joementum posted:Probably the lack of vaccinations. 
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Joementum posted:Probably the lack of vaccinations. 
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Deteriorata posted:Rand's supporters are unusually susceptible to viral campaigns. Herd immunity is for the sheeple. Wake up!
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http://www.northjersey.com/news/federal-subpoena-seeks-travel-records-of-former-port-authority-chairman-david-samson-1.1265692?page=all http://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/investigations-might-sink-christie-after-all The feds went beyond looking into Bridgegate and are getting further up in the shady business of Christie's port authority chairman appointee David Samson Highlights
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RedQueen posted:http://www.northjersey.com/news/federal-subpoena-seeks-travel-records-of-former-port-authority-chairman-david-samson-1.1265692?page=all I want to print these details out on tiny pieces of paper, throw them up above my head, and dance among them as the shadenfreude comes falling down.
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Christie seems like someone that could have been a perpetual strongman/kingmaker/governor/ur-bureaucrat in NJ for the rest of his life if he'd just stepped out of the national spotlight a few months ago. He's going to blow everything up in his life with this presidential campaign. How wonderful.
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shadow puppet of a posted:Christie seems like someone that could have been a perpetual strongman/kingmaker/governor/ur-bureaucrat in NJ for the rest of his life if he'd just stepped out of the national spotlight a few months ago. He's going to blow everything up in his life with this presidential campaign. How wonderful. Not really, people who were governors don't tend to get to run political machines in the state, plus he's term limited to 2. Also since he's Republican he'd have basically no sway in the supermajority democrat legislature once out of governorship.
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Do Not Resuscitate posted:Barring some sort of personality transplant, I just don't see how Christie can hold it together and behave in something approaching even a nominal 'presidential fashion' for two more years. Things haven't even gotten to room temperature yet and we're already getting "What part of 'no more questions' don't you understand?!" responses while on foreign soil. It's pretty obvious that he's just going to totally flip his poo poo at some point. I just want to paraphrase EvilWeasel from last week, to a conservative: Christie firing off on teachers/limp-wristed liberals of any stripe= yeah! Tell those Christie firing off on a fellow Republican= RINO TRAITOR!!!! He will. not. survive. the. loving. primary.
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Do Not Resuscitate posted:Isn't this more the purview of Speakers or am I off about this? Typically the machine guys don't even hold any special elected office. The head guy will tend to be maybe a state senator or a state rep/assemblyman/whatever your state calls them, with a nearly bulletproof gerrymander to keep their spot, else they're entirely out of elected office. Sometimes they'll be mayors of towns that vote reliably.
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Zwabu posted:Plus, are the other GOP candidates really going to give him a pass on Bridgegate and the rest of the festering mess Christie's left in Jersey? I've said it before and I'll say it again, the hammer they use to bludgeon him will be that he worked with Obama after Sandy.
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Fulchrum posted:I've said it before and I'll say it again, the hammer they use to bludgeon him will be that he worked with Obama after Sandy. Of course, they won't need an anvil for that, since Christie serves as a decent enough one in a pinch. E: Chris Christie is what you'd get if you ordered one 'Republican Presidential' from Acme, Inc.
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Karnegal posted:I'll be moving out of Illinois before the election, and the likely states are PA, VA, or MD, so I'll probably have to do a lesser of 2 evils vote. Not if you're in MD. Hogan getting elected was the result of the worst Democratic campaign I've ever seen in my life, and the last time MD voted for a Republican was Reagan (twice), before that was Nixon in '68. The House and Senate skew 2:1 Democrat.
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V. Illych L. posted:your vote doesn't count you know that, right The odds of your vote mattering are long in any state, but they are less absurd in some. It's more an issue of how much crushing guilt would I feel if I lost the vote lottery and say Virginia went Red, the dems lost the election, and then the supreme court got poo poo all over. I mean, the country can survive a lovely regressive president, we did it for 8 years not too long ago. But, with a republican controlled congress, the implications for the supreme court really scare me. If corporations are people, how much more hosed would the country be if a liberal justice were replaced with a conservative one? As unlikely as my vote mattering is (about 1 in 10 million in VA), I don't know if the pay off of voting for a candidate I believe in more who I know will never win is worth that chance.
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SpiderHyphenMan posted:Thought a couple thousand Floridian progressives in 2000. and in any individual case, their voting tactically would have accomplished absolutely nothing Seriously, even in small countries and local elections, single votes don't matter - if the situation is such that a single vote would matter, the situation comes up for a judicial review or a re-election anyway. Voting tactically makes no sense in any world unless you're part of a collective effort to do so - if you want the Democrats to win, then campaign for them. A couple of hundred votes might conceivably help in some way. Your individual vote does not.
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V. Illych L. posted:and in any individual case, their voting tactically would have accomplished absolutely nothing Actually, the fact that that is the prevailing mood is itself a benefit. If [white, male, self identifies as progressive] person says "I better vote for the lesser of two evils" then it's quite possible that [white,male, self identifies as progressive] people in general will also feel that way.
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Well, yeah, sure, and then they as a group might influence the election. Individual votes still don't matter for poo poo, though. e. Like, can you imagine the screams of judicial murder that would ensue if some swing state was carried by one vote? It would get recounted, there would be a judicial review, some random number of votes would get lost and others that were previously lost would be found, and the individual contribution would then fall apart again. There is literally no way that one anonymous vote among thousands (or millions!) has any effect on the election, all else considered. V. Illych L. fucked around with this message at 14:27 on Feb 7, 2015 |
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V. Illych L. posted:Well, yeah, sure, and then they as a group might influence the election. Individual votes still don't matter for poo poo, though. Yeah, they do, because individuals who vote are stakeholders in American democracy and more likely to pursue actions in alignment with American cultural values.
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My Imaginary GF posted:Yeah, they do, because individuals who vote are stakeholders in American democracy and more likely to pursue actions in alignment with American cultural values. idgi
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V. Illych L. posted:and in any individual case, their voting tactically would have accomplished absolutely nothing If you tell a couple hundred people that their vote doesn't matter, does not that in itself "conceivably [help] in some way"?
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