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Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

I'ma buck you up.

Cool NIN Shirt posted:

One other thing that you will most likely want to do once you get your MPC, is to open the case and squirt some Deoxit D5 into every switch/fader. I just did this the other day and it fixed a non-working fader and made every other button work like new.

yeah it showed up today, oooof.

quite a few non working switches right now, i took it apart and will have to fix the stupid plastic parts of the buttons, but yeah a 3-4 of the tactile switches are straight unresponsive, and the data wheel is all crazy outta whack. gonna go pick up some d5 tomorrow, most of what i've read people sound like they've had success with it. hoping I don't have to buy a bunch of new switches and do some soldering.......

e: anyway, thanks for the advice i'll stop shittin up the thread here

Tetramin fucked around with this message at 13:57 on Jan 31, 2015

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Cool NIN Shirt
Nov 26, 2007

by vyelkin

Ricky Bad Posts posted:

yeah it showed up today, oooof.

quite a few non working switches right now, i took it apart and will have to fix the stupid plastic parts of the buttons, but yeah a 3-4 of the tactile switches are straight unresponsive, and the data wheel is all crazy outta whack. gonna go pick up some d5 tomorrow, most of what i've read people sound like they've had success with it. hoping I don't have to buy a bunch of new switches and do some soldering.......

e: anyway, thanks for the advice i'll stop shittin up the thread here

That really sucks, and is pretty much a flat-out scam in my opinion. Unless you got it for like $100 and the issues were mentioned in the listing, I'd report an issue with PayPal and return the item. gently caress having to replace the tact switches from the get-go.

Honestly, ebay isn't the best place to buy MPCs, as you can't test them out beforehand and the prices are high. Check your local craigslists, and you should be able to find something decent. Just in my area:

http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/eld/4858633315.html That's $175 for a used condition MPC
http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/msg/4868587188.html $400 for an excellent condition, with original box
http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/msg/4857654078.html Hell, here's one for $400 with JJOS installed

Sorry about your issues, I hope that gets straightened out quickly.

Cool NIN Shirt fucked around with this message at 15:09 on Jan 31, 2015

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

I'ma buck you up.

Cool NIN Shirt posted:

That really sucks, and is pretty much a flat-out scam in my opinion. Unless you got it for like $100 and the issues were mentioned in the listing, I'd report an issue with PayPal and return the item. gently caress having to replace the tact switches from the get-go.

Honestly, ebay isn't the best place to buy MPCs, as you can't test them out beforehand and the prices are high. Check your local craigslists, and you should be able to find something decent. Just in my area:

http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/eld/4858633315.html That's $175 for a used condition MPC
http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/msg/4868587188.html $400 for an excellent condition, with original box
http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/msg/4857654078.html Hell, here's one for $400 with JJOS installed

Sorry about your issues, I hope that gets straightened out quickly.

Yeah i'm definitely gonna report it and get my money back. luckily the seller is local to me in minneapolis(a pawnshops ebay account) so i can drive down there and deflate the employees tires if I need to.

gonna meet up with a dude selling a 2500 over CL later

Tetramin fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Feb 1, 2015

DJcyclopz
Feb 16, 2012
I put up a few tracks of all different genres; tracks 2, 3, and 5 have more of a hip-hop feel than the others. Feedback would be greatly appreciated.

https://soundcloud.com/jryan0858

Cock Soup
Oct 15, 2006

jryan42988 posted:

I put up a few tracks of all different genres; tracks 2, 3, and 5 have more of a hip-hop feel than the others. Feedback would be greatly appreciated.

https://soundcloud.com/jryan0858

Musically, there's some interesting stuff going on but the biggest issue is about the production quality. I don't know if you're tracking with a real guitar, but there's a weird compression effect going on all throughout your songs that makes it disapear everytime the kick hits, I don't know if you're side-chaining or if it's a simple mixing issue, but it's distracting to say the least.

As for the synths, once again, there are some interesting things going on in terms of melody but they all sound like your "out-of-the-package" synths. They don't really sound original or personalized. You might want to spend some time tweaking them around and making them your own. It'll make a pretty big difference.

As for the mix as a whole, it just seems like everything is too loud. You might want to bring most of your levels down and play around with compression instead. It'll help make your tracks bouncier and will make it a lot easier to mix your kick and snare so they don't cut every single frequencies. You can have your drums a lot less loud, but a lot snappier that way, and they'll shine through the mix anyway.

Keep at it, the potential's there.

DJcyclopz
Feb 16, 2012

quote:

Musically, there's some interesting stuff going on but the biggest issue is about the production quality. I don't know if you're tracking with a real guitar, but there's a weird compression effect going on all throughout your songs that makes it disapear everytime the kick hits, I don't know if you're side-chaining or if it's a simple mixing issue, but it's distracting to say the least.
I sidechain everything to the kick, except for the melody. I dunno, it always sounds better to me that way. I also always sidechain the rhythm instruments (usually guitar and piano panned hard right/left) to the snare or clap. Is none of that a common practice? The guitar is real, and typically I'll record 3 or 4 different guitars strumming the same thing with 2 mics. Then I send those to a short reverb/delay and sidechain that to the kick.

quote:

As for the synths, once again, there are some interesting things going on in terms of melody but they all sound like your "out-of-the-package" synths. They don't really sound original or personalized. You might want to spend some time tweaking them around and making them your own. It'll make a pretty big difference.
I designed all the synth sounds, but I like to keep them simple, so I could see that.

quote:

As for the mix as a whole, it just seems like everything is too loud.
What are you, MY DAD?!

quote:

You might want to bring most of your levels down and play around with compression instead. It'll help make your tracks bouncier and will make it a lot easier to mix your kick and snare so they don't cut every single frequencies. You can have your drums a lot less loud, but a lot snappier that way, and they'll shine through the mix anyway.
I have at least an eq and a compressor on each instrument; by play around with compression do you mean automate it throughout the track or just have the effect be not as intense, like i should turn down the ratio or threshold or something? how does lowering the instruments' level affect compression?

quote:

Keep at it, the potential's there.
Thanks dude, I will.

Cock Soup
Oct 15, 2006

jryan42988 posted:

I sidechain everything to the kick, except for the melody. I dunno, it always sounds better to me that way. I also always sidechain the rhythm instruments (usually guitar and piano panned hard right/left) to the snare or clap. Is none of that a common practice? The guitar is real, and typically I'll record 3 or 4 different guitars strumming the same thing with 2 mics. Then I send those to a short reverb/delay and sidechain that to the kick.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd8YojAaICU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ymI54DuMj8

It's pretty common to sidechain some kind of pad/airy sample but your guitars are all over the frequencies, and it sounds a bit too squished? I don't know if you understand what I mean.

jryan42988 posted:

I designed all the synth sounds, but I like to keep them simple, so I could see that.

Oh, sorry. But yeah don't hesitate to add some reverb, some fuzz, some delay, whatever. A lot of VSTs will sound a bit dry by themselves no matter how much you tweak them.

jryan42988 posted:

What are you, MY DAD?!

I have at least an eq and a compressor on each instrument; by play around with compression do you mean automate it throughout the track or just have the effect be not as intense, like i should turn down the ratio or threshold or something? how does lowering the instruments' level affect compression?

Well basically with compression there's two things you can do to make your drums snappier. The first one is to put a relatively high compression like thres between -15 and -20 and a 4.5 ratio. The most crucial part is the attack tho, you'll want to fiddle with it for a while until you keep only the initial *snap* of either your snare or your kick. Have a slow release so the focus is really on the snap.

You can also go for chain compression which essentially means having a return track with a very heavy compression, something like thres -inf and a 6-7 ratio. Simply having that track exist will boost the initial attack of your drums but you have to make sure to mix it in subtly or else it'll just saturate.

My feeling, and correct me if I'm wrong, was that you were using a maximizer in your mastering suite. I'm not saying that's bad but you have to look at effects like ingredients. The maximizer would something like ketchup: a little of it can give a plate a sweet kick, too much of it and everything taste like ketchup. Use subtlety.

Here's one of my old tracks where I used the maximizer way too hard:
https://soundcloud.com/angelure/beat-qui-fait-peur-boooooohhh
Notice how everything sounds on the same level and the beat's not really bouncy at all?

Here's a more recent one without a maximizer but where I spent a lot more time fidling around with EQs and compressors:
https://soundcloud.com/angelure/nouvel-essai
Hear how it sounds more natural?

whoknew
Sep 18, 2004


oh shit
im lit



jryan42988 posted:

I sidechain everything to the kick, except for the melody. I dunno, it always sounds better to me that way. I also always sidechain the rhythm instruments (usually guitar and piano panned hard right/left) to the snare or clap. Is none of that a common practice? The guitar is real, and typically I'll record 3 or 4 different guitars strumming the same thing with 2 mics. Then I send those to a short reverb/delay and sidechain that to the kick.

That's dumb, only sidechain stuff that's in the same sonic space as the kick drum. Only chain things that are in the same frequency range as your kick drum (bass, pads, etc.).

http://www.independentrecording.net/irn/resources/freqchart/main_display.htm

KaosPV
Sep 25, 2007
Mediterranean schizo
Yeah, sidechaining helps you avoid instruments clashing in the same frequency. Only sidechain something that's not in the same frequency if out of, I dunno, "artistic" motives or something, cos you want that particular sound.

AloneNVegas
Feb 6, 2015

by Cowcaster
http://www.amazon.com/Avid-Firewire...ywords=protools

Is this a good starting kit for a complete begginer who wants to produce rap music. I want to make beats like Harry Fraud, and he said he uses ProTools, And Micro Korg. If not what do I need to make beats like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e34m5cnqsZ0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxXDDjfFEBM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaVvWJqGKg8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIJ7JmzHFu8

Cock Soup
Oct 15, 2006

AloneNVegas posted:

Is this a good starting kit for a complete begginer who wants to produce rap music. I want to make beats like Harry Fraud, and he said he uses ProTools, And Micro Korg. If not what do I need to make beats like this

Way too big an investment for what you want to do, and Pro Tool will leave you discouraged pretty quickly, its learning curve is pretty steep. If you're a complete beginner, just get a demo copy of Reason, Fruity Loops or Ableton Live. The two main elements in the beats you posted are essentially the samples and the synths. Ableton has a great built-in sampler which will allow you to do most of the things in the beats you posted very easily (re-pitching, cutting and layering delay and reverbs). For the synths, Reason has buttload of built-in VSTs that sound pretty decent (most of OFWGKTA's early releases were made using only that) or you should check out the synth thread and find a couple of cheap or free VSTs that have the particular sound you're looking for.

AloneNVegas
Feb 6, 2015

by Cowcaster

Cock Soup posted:

Way too big an investment for what you want to do, and Pro Tool will leave you discouraged pretty quickly, its learning curve is pretty steep. If you're a complete beginner, just get a demo copy of Reason, Fruity Loops or Ableton Live. The two main elements in the beats you posted are essentially the samples and the synths. Ableton has a great built-in sampler which will allow you to do most of the things in the beats you posted very easily (re-pitching, cutting and layering delay and reverbs). For the synths, Reason has buttload of built-in VSTs that sound pretty decent (most of OFWGKTA's early releases were made using only that) or you should check out the synth thread and find a couple of cheap or free VSTs that have the particular sound you're looking for.

Thanks. What about vocals? Can ableton live do that as well.

Cock Soup
Oct 15, 2006

AloneNVegas posted:

Thanks. What about vocals? Can ableton live do that as well.

Any DAW will be able to handle that given the right VSTs. Basically your main concern with vocal should be to get a decent microphone and a booth. No matter how good of a DAW you use or how much time you spend mixing your vocals, there's just no fixing noisy/low quality recording.

AloneNVegas
Feb 6, 2015

by Cowcaster

Cock Soup posted:

Any DAW will be able to handle that given the right VSTs. Basically your main concern with vocal should be to get a decent microphone and a booth. No matter how good of a DAW you use or how much time you spend mixing your vocals, there's just no fixing noisy/low quality recording.

What exactly are VST's.

Mr. Sophistication
May 16, 2014

I know this wasn't your original avatar but I just love this game. Cheers, rediscover.
whats good dead rear end hip hop thread, i make beats sometimes, here's one.

https://soundcloud.com/azathoth/throwaway_001

i'm a bitch

KaosPV
Sep 25, 2007
Mediterranean schizo
woah like it (except for the split second where the sample kind of goes offbeat and you can hear a girl singing or something).

Mr. Sophistication
May 16, 2014

I know this wasn't your original avatar but I just love this game. Cheers, rediscover.

KaosPV posted:

woah like it (except for the split second where the sample kind of goes offbeat and you can hear a girl singing or something).

yeah i'm a dipshit and forgot to warp that out or w/e so it's going to bother me forever

CerealKilla420
Jan 3, 2014

"I need a handle man..."

Cool NIN Shirt posted:

Oops lol I was wondering why I got so few plays.

Definitely get the free JJOS right away, and if you want to start making beats as quickly as possible, get this: http://www.mpc-samples.com/product.php/84/beat-making-on-the-mpc1000/
It covers every aspect of the MPC--both OEM OS and free JJOS--with sample sound files so you learn to sample, chop, sequence, apply filters/effects right off the bat. I was sampling and making beats that I thought were halfway decent within a week.

Learn the basics on the free JJOS, and then you can download and install the JJOSXL and try it out to see if it's worth the money to you....the trial is fully functional, you just wont be able to save. But its a very well-designed OS, created with lots of user feedback, and I've never heard anyone say that they ended up switching back.

One other thing that you will most likely want to do once you get your MPC, is to open the case and squirt some Deoxit D5 into every switch/fader. I just did this the other day and it fixed a non-working fader and made every other button work like new.

Feel free to email me at boyofvirtue@gmail.com if you have any other questions or just wanna talk shop...I love talking about this stuff

I almost pulled the trigger on a 1000 for 300$ on Atlanta's craiglist about a month ago. I wound up buying an mpk61 for the same price instead and this post is kind of making me regret it. Don't get me wrong I love the mpk it just isn't as interesting or soulful as the mpk and I kind of get tired doing everything in DAWs every now and then.

That said I've only been making beats for about 6 months and I am still very much a scrub. Here's a beat I made a few weeks ago.
How can I make this sort of beat better?

https://soundcloud.com/dolphinblunts/2-u

Mr. Sophistication
May 16, 2014

I know this wasn't your original avatar but I just love this game. Cheers, rediscover.
here's another joint

https://soundcloud.com/azathoth/throwaway_002

THNDRTHF
Apr 14, 2004

so much for
bein' optimistic

Chwoka posted:



i made an ep of slow beats slathered in delay for my birthday. download it. cherish it. reformat your hard drive so that the only thing on it is this.

shared on my FB good show

Cool NIN Shirt
Nov 26, 2007

by vyelkin

rediscover posted:

whats good dead rear end hip hop thread, i make beats sometimes, here's one.

https://soundcloud.com/azathoth/throwaway_001

i'm a bitch

Good poo poo


64bit_Dophins posted:

I almost pulled the trigger on a 1000 for 300$ on Atlanta's craiglist about a month ago. I wound up buying an mpk61 for the same price instead and this post is kind of making me regret it. Don't get me wrong I love the mpk it just isn't as interesting or soulful as the mpk and I kind of get tired doing everything in DAWs every now and then.

That said I've only been making beats for about 6 months and I am still very much a scrub. Here's a beat I made a few weeks ago.
How can I make this sort of beat better?

https://soundcloud.com/dolphinblunts/2-u

Yeah a 1000 with JJOS is pretty much as powerful as any MPC, portable, and you can find some real good deals on them. If you're thinking about buying one, let me know and I can tell you what to look for.

As for the beat, it sounds pretty good as is...are you going for something that you would want to be rapped over, or more of a standalone music kinda thing?

CerealKilla420
Jan 3, 2014

"I need a handle man..."

Cool NIN Shirt posted:

Good poo poo


Yeah a 1000 with JJOS is pretty much as powerful as any MPC, portable, and you can find some real good deals on them. If you're thinking about buying one, let me know and I can tell you what to look for.

As for the beat, it sounds pretty good as is...are you going for something that you would want to be rapped over, or more of a standalone music kinda thing?

Ok word, I'll let you know if I'm in the market for one.

I would like for someone to rap over my beats. I know a few people who are interested but I only like one them. The dude is also a producer so I imagine that the style will change quite a bit as a result of his input. But yeah I was just looking for general suggestions because I know nothing about mastering. If you or anyone knows of a place to start learning that stuff I would be very thankful :)

ashgromnies
Jun 19, 2004

64bit_Dophins posted:

I almost pulled the trigger on a 1000 for 300$ on Atlanta's craiglist about a month ago. I wound up buying an mpk61 for the same price instead and this post is kind of making me regret it. Don't get me wrong I love the mpk it just isn't as interesting or soulful as the mpk and I kind of get tired doing everything in DAWs every now and then.

That said I've only been making beats for about 6 months and I am still very much a scrub. Here's a beat I made a few weeks ago.
How can I make this sort of beat better?

https://soundcloud.com/dolphinblunts/2-u

I really like this. You might make the drums hit harder and do more editing, maybe drop the beat for emphasis somewhere, add transition effects, that kind of thing?

Dive Kick
Sep 29, 2011
Anyone here ever work with the Akai MPD32? I'm looking for a pad controller to use with Ableton.

Pannus
Mar 14, 2004

I've been trying to make some trap music lately. I'm pretty new to making music on a computer, and also to music production/mixing in general. If someone would care to listen to my latest track and give me some honest feedback I'd really appreciate it, since I think it's difficult to assess the quality of my own work. Most of the people I know irl don't care for this kind of music, so they're no help.

https://soundcloud.com/mordern-1/score

Mr. Sophistication
May 16, 2014

I know this wasn't your original avatar but I just love this game. Cheers, rediscover.

Panniculus Rift posted:

I've been trying to make some trap music lately. I'm pretty new to making music on a computer, and also to music production/mixing in general. If someone would care to listen to my latest track and give me some honest feedback I'd really appreciate it, since I think it's difficult to assess the quality of my own work. Most of the people I know irl don't care for this kind of music, so they're no help.

https://soundcloud.com/mordern-1/score

this is very abrasive to my ears and is not really trap music at all.

i made this today, it is trap music

https://soundcloud.com/azathoth/casket-call

zeldadude
Nov 24, 2004

OH SNAP!
hey dudes might be the wrong place to ask but can anyone suggest some poo poo that sounds like this? I loving love it. Already getting some Freddie Joachim but I need more!

Ayatollah "People Get Ready"
http://youtu.be/fGR1-XhSpJ0

Cock Soup
Oct 15, 2006

zeldadude posted:

hey dudes might be the wrong place to ask but can anyone suggest some poo poo that sounds like this? I loving love it. Already getting some Freddie Joachim but I need more!

Ayatollah "People Get Ready"
http://youtu.be/fGR1-XhSpJ0

Madlibs, J-Dilla, Nujabes to some extent.

Pannus
Mar 14, 2004

rediscover posted:

this is very abrasive to my ears and is not really trap music at all.

i made this today, it is trap music

https://soundcloud.com/azathoth/casket-call

alright, thanks for the feedback. :)

tradjik
Mar 2, 2007

i'm still (c)rapping over lucifear's beats

https://soundcloud.com/clixkonnekt/fallen-dreams

what can i do to improve my vocal mixing?

Tetramin
Apr 1, 2006

I'ma buck you up.
https://soundcloud.com/ddraeh/you

First joint I have wanted to post here, starting to get a good workflow in my sampler.. I am posting this a little prematurely as I still have to finish filling this out and some more sequencing, maybe even some vocals.

This is just a quick bounce but quite a few elements of the mix are a little out of control, went pretty hard with parameter experimentation so I've got some cleaning up to do as a result.

Would compression be the right tool to kinda clean up some of the drum hits that seem to push through the "boundaries" of the haas'd phasing sounds? Is it generally better to put this type of compression on the sample alone or the entire bus?

E: basically, I like the kind of lovely muddy sound going on here, but I still should get it a bit more under control before getting vocals and poo poo on it right

Tetramin fucked around with this message at 01:35 on Feb 28, 2015

JCW
Oct 22, 2008
oooooOOOOOOOOoooooooo https://soundcloud.com/thejcw/ks-live

CerealKilla420
Jan 3, 2014

"I need a handle man..."

Dive Kick posted:

Anyone here ever work with the Akai MPD32? I'm looking for a pad controller to use with Ableton.

Yes, I had my buddy's for a few months earlier this year. I like the MPDs but IMO if you're not going to be using the midi in/out you should just get an APC40. That said I personally prefer using the MPD over the APC40 because for some reason the simplicity of it is easier to work with. I thought having backlit pads would be helpful but it kind of isn't. Also I greatly prefer the endless knobs. Anyways, I haven't used any other pad controller but I have an MPK61 and imo Akai makes some of the highest quality controllers on the market.
Bottom line - would recommend.

Dive Kick
Sep 29, 2011

64bit_Dophins posted:

Yes, I had my buddy's for a few months earlier this year. I like the MPDs but IMO if you're not going to be using the midi in/out you should just get an APC40. That said I personally prefer using the MPD over the APC40 because for some reason the simplicity of it is easier to work with. I thought having backlit pads would be helpful but it kind of isn't. Also I greatly prefer the endless knobs. Anyways, I haven't used any other pad controller but I have an MPK61 and imo Akai makes some of the highest quality controllers on the market.
Bottom line - would recommend.

In the end I'm leaning towards an mpc studio - apparently the mpd pads are still as hell and the upgrade costs the difference between the two. Thanks though!

tradjik
Mar 2, 2007

Is there any reason to get an MPC over an MPK? Thinking about getting an MPK25 because it has both pads and keys.

I'm doing an electronic music production course, specifically trying to get into trap production.

Blimpkin
Dec 28, 2003
For some reason, I'm a bit self conscious about this, maybe because I think I could do more to it, or maybe because it's not quite where I want to be musically, but I'm still very pleased with stuff I've been making lately.

https://soundcloud.com/no-bad-karma/staug

tradjik
Mar 2, 2007

I'm working on a track for my EMP class. Any constructive crit?

https://soundcloud.com/clixkonnekt/productiondemo5

THNDRTHF
Apr 14, 2004

so much for
bein' optimistic

CerealKilla420
Jan 3, 2014

"I need a handle man..."

tradjik posted:

Is there any reason to get an MPC over an MPK? Thinking about getting an MPK25 because it has both pads and keys.

I'm doing an electronic music production course, specifically trying to get into trap production.

I have an mpk61 and the pads are unusable imo unless you keep it on 'full-level' all the time. I love everything else about the controller though. I heard that the mpk 2 is supposed to have much nicer pads though so I would wait to try that out.

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Perpetual Hiatus
Oct 29, 2011

tradjik posted:

I'm working on a track for my EMP class. Any constructive crit?

https://soundcloud.com/clixkonnekt/productiondemo5

If you add some velocity modulation and envelopes to the sounds it will sound a lot less static and flat, play with the drums velocities too. Everything is the same volume forever, a good trick is to drop the faders of the hats to absolutely nothing and bring them in - you will be surprised how low the can be to sit right. Personally I would layer in another sound with whatever note you want to be dominant in that real dissonant chord dealey to help define it.

Perpetual Hiatus fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Apr 3, 2015

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