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Scorps posted:What was so bad about how "the swap went down" it was bad because notail is now on a team which is about 100 levels down in skill and consistency from him
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alansmithee posted:I liked them previously but how the swap went down kinda soured me on them. Also it seems they can smash bad teams but a lot of their wins against the better teams seem like Alliance 2.0 rat tactics which are effective but not all that fun to watch imo. rat dota best dota
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Feb 7, 2015 19:43
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Taffer posted:it was bad because notail is now on a team which is about 100 levels down in skill and consistency from him Yeah on a personal level it sucks for n0tail but it was clearly a good move for Secret, they did not play anywhere near this well with their old lineup. It was good but not as well executed as their current level. From the outside teams just appear like a group of 5 friends but the actual dynamics I'm sure are much different. Teams can't get by just with friendship alone they want to win and will do anything to have the best chance to win.
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Feb 7, 2015 19:49
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Scorps posted:Yeah on a personal level it sucks for n0tail but it was clearly a good move for Secret, they did not play anywhere near this well with their old lineup. It was good but not as well executed as their current level. I think that has less to do with not having n0tail and more with trading offlaners. Zai has been a significant upgrade there and Kuroky is still offering enough as a support, especially in his rubick games.
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Feb 7, 2015 19:52
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I think most people would say RTZ is a better carry than Kuroky as well, clearly Secret think so as well
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Feb 7, 2015 19:54
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Scorps posted:Teams can't get by just with friendship alone BG says otherwise  Don't really want to go through 450 posts, did anything notable happen after the 1v1 finals? I hear Secret got hosed over in a game because they didn't carry TPs.
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Feb 7, 2015 19:54
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IncendiaC posted:BG says otherwise  This happened.
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Feb 7, 2015 19:58
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Scorps posted:Yeah on a personal level it sucks for n0tail but it was clearly a good move for Secret, they did not play anywhere near this well with their old lineup. It was good but not as well executed as their current level. I'm not saying it was bad for secret, i didn't like them kicking notail but it clearly worked out best for their performance I'm just sad notail got the bad end of the shuffle and is on a team with eternal anime now
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Feb 7, 2015 20:01
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IncendiaC posted:BG says otherwise Secret actually won the game because C9 didn't have TPs vs a Lycan.
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Feb 7, 2015 20:02
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I just watched the last c9 vs Secret game and missed the previous two. What was the EE all chat they were referencing?
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that one guy posted:I just watched the last c9 vs Secret game and missed the previous two. What was the EE all chat they were referencing? Secret were 8-0 with ench and chen before this serious and envy banned both before picks in all three games. Before creepspawn in the first game he typed "ench and chen" "8-0" in allchat, as to say he had them figured out.
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Feb 7, 2015 20:04
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Here is all you need to know about the ending of game 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMgIYgQf_GQ Special shoutout, they don't really show it but Bone7 standing in enemy fountain to die as an Axe with ~4k and an Aegis respawn, only to not have enough gold to even buyback and then just being dead. I need to watch the replay again but I'm fairly certain he could have just bought a TP in the enemy base instead of his "big play" (maybe Kuro cancelled his I don't recall)
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Feb 7, 2015 20:04
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Scorps posted:Here is all you need to know about the ending of game 2 Holy poo poo 
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Feb 7, 2015 20:17
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Scorps posted:Special shoutout, they don't really show it but Bone7 standing in enemy fountain to die as an Axe with ~4k and an Aegis respawn, only to not have enough gold to even buyback and then just being dead. I need to watch the replay again but I'm fairly certain he could have just bought a TP in the enemy base instead of his "big play" (maybe Kuro cancelled his I don't recall) He had 4 second cooldown remaining on BB as the ancient exploded.
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Feb 7, 2015 20:21
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What made it even better was that there was at least one tp scroll dropped in the rosh pit and everyone on c9 had free slots.
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Feb 7, 2015 20:25
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Scorps posted:Here is all you need to know about the ending of game 2 Winter in the background just going "oh no" over and over holy poo poo
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Feb 7, 2015 20:28
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Tinny_Tim posted:Secret actually won the game because C9 didn't have TPs vs a Lycan. Just watched the end clip. Must have gotten the teams mixed up in my head. TheRat posted:
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TheRat posted:Secret were 8-0 with ench and chen before this serious and envy banned both before picks in all three games. Before creepspawn in the first game he typed "ench and chen" "8-0" in allchat, as to say he had them figured out. Why the gently caress would you tip your hand like that for all three games? Does EE honestly think he's imposing enough to put them on tilt from series minute 0? IdEEot.
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Feb 7, 2015 20:30
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Nanomashoes posted:tell me that game 2 wasn't fun to watch, motherfucker It was fun because you got to see a an entire team make a 2k MMR pub mistake. Although most pubs would've at least tried attacking buildings rather than spin in circles for 30 seconds in the middle of the lane wondering what's happening. Scorps posted:What was so bad about how "the swap went down" I still don't know if it's making Secret any better (depending on who they would've got to replace Fly that was a "free agent" or w/e). Everyone saying they're executing so much better or w/e but we've already seen them lose a game where they had megas and look extremely fragile against all the top teams in actual B03 situations. Like are people forgetting when secret first formed they went on some giant rampage and people were calling them the best team? I agree RTZ a better carry than KKY, but secret didn't even want him originally that was just the "cost" to get zai. Also it's not like anyone's gonna be like "oh yeah it sucked, these new dudes we got are actually way worse". Like I'd think with the money flooding in some dudes would start to realize the value of actually staying together rather than throwing a hissy fit because someone didn't retweet you fast enough or w/e and running to another team. Especially in a game where coordination and making the right plays/knowing when to back teammates is such a big deal. Besides there's enough dudes sucking off secret in this thread already that having 1 or 2 not really liking them isn't gonna cause them any harm.
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Feb 7, 2015 20:38
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Arzachel posted:What made it even better was that there was at least one tp scroll dropped in the rosh pit and everyone on c9 had free slots. Yeah that's what I didn't get. I mean there were literally tp scrolls lying all over, and everyone had an empty slot (except maybe axe since he had aegis?). Like the scoreboard pic showing C9 with all empty slots and no tp vs. Secret with everyone with a tp or boots was really telling. Also they way they just kinda hesitated in lane-they didn't even really push the rax they just kinda milled about and did fuckall while they lost both top and bottom t3 towers. Just baffling.
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Feb 7, 2015 20:40
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Is there anything more basic than "always carry a TP" in Dota (without getting into literal newbie status)? Maybe in the next big LAN, C9 are going to throw by selling their boots and realize they don't have enough gold to buy BoTs.
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Feb 7, 2015 21:09
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Reminder that Alliance won TI3 because dendi didnt have a tpscroll
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IncendiaC posted:Is there anything more basic than "always carry a TP" in Dota (without getting into literal newbie status)? Maybe in the next big LAN, C9 are going to throw by selling their boots and realize they don't have enough gold to buy BoTs. In the first game against Big God, Misery bought a refresher and sold his arcanes leaving him with too little mana to doublecast wards, does that count?
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Feb 7, 2015 21:21
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TheRat posted:Reminder that Alliance won TI3 because dendi didnt have a tpscroll Yeah but to be fair he told his team this and they still went ahead anyway. Plus other members on their team had TPs but they got cancelled whereas not a single C9 member had one. I just don't understand the end of that game, why didn't they go to the enemy fountain and buy tps instead of walking back, why not go for throne, why not do anything besides the worst option of milling around for thirty seconds and then trying to walk back to base. I mean poo poo you think a guy as tryhard as Envy would be better than 2k MMR players in decision making but no, he just fucks up over and over again in the same way players at level do.
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Asuron posted:Yeah but to be fair he told his team this and they still went ahead anyway. Plus other members on their team had TPs but they got cancelled whereas not a single C9 member had one. Is he the primary captain/shot caller? I know everyone clowns on him, but maybe they should get someone else to take the leadership stuff cause C9 does seem to have an inordinate amount of these kind of stupid mistakes. I don't think he's a bad player by any means, but maybe dude just gets too tightly wound or something?
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Asuron posted:Yeah but to be fair he told his team this and they still went ahead anyway. Plus other members on their team had TPs but they got cancelled whereas not a single C9 member had one. Because most of them are young people that knows how to play video-game really well but can't deal with pressure on a pro athlete level
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The amount of time they had to weigh "can we race them" vs "can we get back" was basically like 2 seconds while both of the T3's went down. I do think they should have ran into the base to try for TP but I think Kuroky was still there and so was Puppey
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Feb 7, 2015 21:54
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visage was alive so the chance of them buying a tp from the enemy foutain and using it was zero
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The guy who bought a deso at the enemy fountain so he could speed up his one man base race and beat a whole team's GG push probably could have thought about buying a TP at that same shop but.may have thought somebody had one? I dunno. It feels like a team wide fail than EE specifically.
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Feb 7, 2015 22:30
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Envy forgot he had MoM so that deso didnt actually apply -armor
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Feb 7, 2015 22:34
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I don't understand how that works but JFC Dota. This is why people call you the "more difficult" game. 
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Feb 7, 2015 23:08
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TheRat posted:Envy forgot he had MoM so that deso didnt actually apply -armor Latest acquired UAM takes precedence, so it does actually apply.
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Feb 7, 2015 23:12
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Ojetor posted:Latest acquired UAM takes precedence, so it does actually apply. Standard Modifiers - Modifiers granted by items (an item will take priority depending on which is the oldest in your inventory, or in the case of illusions the first slot in reading order)
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Feb 7, 2015 23:14
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Ojetor posted:Latest acquired UAM takes precedence, so it does actually apply. It didn't apply. And thats not how it works.
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Feb 7, 2015 23:35
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UAMs that are abilities always take precedence. After that it's the first item added to your inventory, and finally for illusions it's the UAM in the highest slot because the illusions technically create your items one by one in the order they are in your inventory when they spawn.
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Feb 8, 2015 00:14
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from earlier:
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Luna Was Here posted:from earlier: He was going to die twice anyways but that timing is tragic
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Feb 8, 2015 01:07
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Like someone said, the death explosion got a kill on the sniper, too.
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resistentialism posted:Like someone said, the death explosion got a kill on the sniper, too. Someone on reddit watched the replay and apparently it was autoattacks killing him, not the explosion.
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Taffer posted:it was bad because notail is now on a team which is about 100 levels down in skill and consistency from him You say this but Clown 9 is way better than Fnatic ever was and Secret is significantly better than it was with notail as well. In fact, the new C9 would most likely beat the old secret. This player swap seems to have worked out better for everyone except PLD. Gamesguy fucked around with this message at 03:17 on Feb 8, 2015 |
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