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bobkatt013 posted:Then again he did kill his other kid. To be fair, that wasn't intentional. Tommy was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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http://comicbook.com/2015/02/06/exclusive-arrows-diggle-david-ramsey-talks-suicide-squad-and-gre/David Ramsey posted:Now, John Stewart… Is John Diggle John Stewart? I cannot say “yes,” and cannot say, “no.” 
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BrianWilly posted:http://comicbook.com/2015/02/06/exclusive-arrows-diggle-david-ramsey-talks-suicide-squad-and-gre/  Season 6 will be the road trip season.
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I think if David Ramsey leaves the show before it ends then John Stewart Diggle could be one of the avenues they take to write him out. I can't see how it would work if he stuck around, unless they want balls out and gave him his own show but that feels like going too far down the rabbit hole
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WarLocke posted:If Ollie couldn't beat Ras no way in hell could Thea, sorry. Just to play devil's advocate, though... she's been training in sword fighting under Merlyn (who learned from Ras), whereas swords are not Ollie's forte. It'd be a stretch, for sure, but it could maaaaybe happen. (it would never happen)
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JacquelineDempsey posted:Just to play devil's advocate, though... she's been training in sword fighting under Merlyn (who learned from Ras), whereas swords are not Ollie's forte. It'd be a stretch, for sure, but it could maaaaybe happen. (it would never happen) Yeah, but she has none of Ollie's other training (from Shado, Slade, Maseo?, and who knows who else) and Olliver is now/is going to be trained in sword-fighting by Merlyn, so...
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Merlyn's a better fighter than all 3 of those guys put together though. We've seen that. Ollie generally gets his rear end kicked when he goes up against real fighters.
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Aphrodite posted:Merlyn's a better fighter than all 3 of those guys put together though. Well yeah, no argument there. But even if his other training isn't up to par, it's training Thea doesn't have. So once Merlyn teaches Ollie what he taught Thea (and probably more, since Ollie already has a base to build off of) the gap will be that much wider. That's why I said that if Ollie can't beat Ras then Thea obviously can't. Although I do like the idea posted that she might turn Merlyn in to Ras for [reason], I could see that happening...
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BrianWilly posted:Didn't Oliver beat Merlyn in season 1? Only by stabbing himself through the chest with an arrow while Merlyn was pre-occupied with strangling him.
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Genetic Toaster posted:Only by stabbing himself through the chest with an arrow while Merlyn was pre-occupied with strangling him. Which one of them is legally dead?  Hell, Oliver beat the friggin' FLASH earlier this season. (Draw, my rear end. Barry wanted to kill Ollie,Ollie wanted Barry cured. Oliver got the result he wanted. He won.)
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Gaz-L posted:Which one of them is legally dead? Both of them.
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Genetic Toaster posted:Both of them. I said is. Not was.
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Gaz-L posted:Which one of them is legally dead? Diggle won.
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Genetic Toaster posted:Only by stabbing himself through the chest with an arrow while Merlyn was pre-occupied with strangling him. Oliver is a master at taking chest wounds, obviously he manipulated Ras into stabbing him in just the right non-fatal spot.
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WarLocke posted:Oliver is a master at taking chest wounds, obviously he manipulated Ras into stabbing him in just the right non-fatal spot. Judging by pictures posted earlier in this thread it's more likely he manipulated the wound itself to a less fatal spot after the stabbing occurred.
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Also why would the MASTER OF ASSASSINS not stab you in the heart? Why miss? Some other (small?) thing that's been bugging me is them really focusing on Roy as the main character of Team Arrow while Ollie was gone. Like he was the guy going "alright, team, let's move." I know he's the one with a costume, but come on, Diggle was here before any of y'all. And he has way more life experience. Even if he's a bad shot with a bow it should have been Team Diggle, not Team Unnecessary Flip, goddamn it.
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BSam posted:Judging by pictures posted earlier in this thread it's more likely he manipulated the wound itself to a less fatal spot after the stabbing occurred.
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Lord Hydronium posted:Ollie was dead, until the Flash time traveled back to have him be stabbed in a different location. Ollie didn't fall down that cliff. Barry caught him right under the ledge and ran down the side of it with him. 
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WarLocke posted:Well yeah, no argument there. But even if his other training isn't up to par, it's training Thea doesn't have. So once Merlyn teaches Ollie what he taught Thea (and probably more, since Ollie already has a base to build off of) the gap will be that much wider. The vast majority of training and experience that Ollie has gotten is with bow and arrow. Slade trained him in hand-to-hand combat for literally ten days, nothing more, and only so that he wouldn't die right away when they attack the paramilitary camp to get on the supply plane. Right after that, Shado took over and the rest of Ollie's training on the island was with bow and arrow. In contrast, Thea has been training under Merlyn for an entire year if not more. And in this episode she defeated him when they were sparring, which means that she has gotten very, very good at sword-fighting, definitely much better than Ollie. Sure, Ollie has spent more time fighting, but one can only learn so much fighting common street thugs.
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enraged_camel posted:The vast majority of training and experience that Ollie has gotten is with bow and arrow. Slade trained him in hand-to-hand combat for literally ten days, nothing more, and only so that he wouldn't die right away when they attack the paramilitary camp to get on the supply plane. Right after that, Shado took over and the rest of Ollie's training on the island was with bow and arrow. They were on that island for months after the mercs left befor the Amazo showed up..
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enraged_camel posted:In contrast, Thea has been training under Merlyn for an entire year if not more. And in this episode she defeated him when they were sparring, which means that she has gotten very, very good at sword-fighting, definitely much better than Ollie. Sure, Ollie has spent more time fighting, but one can only learn so much fighting common street thugs. Remember that Arrow tries to follow real-time; Thea can't have trained with Merlyn for more than about nine months at this stage, which is about the same amount of time Roy trained with Ollie. Furthermore, we've seen about half of Ollie's time away, so it's entirely possible - indeed, likely - that there's a significant amount of time that Ollie trained that we haven't seen. That said, I do think that Ollie would have fared better against Ra's if he had a bow and arrow.
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Someone with too much time on their hands would have to make a list of how much time Ollie had certain teachers. Like I don't feel that his training from Slade could contribute a whole lot to fighting the League, and he doesn't seem to be doing any training in Hong Kong at all.
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Maybe the Bratva are renowned for their close quarters combat skills The bathhouse scene in Eastern Promises supports this claim.
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Maybe the Bratva are renowned for their close quarters combat skills https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-8hOKNbtxg
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VagueRant posted:Also why would the MASTER OF ASSASSINS not stab you in the heart? So you'd still be conscious for the fall that would turn your bones into jello on impact. And because even if you didn't die to either of those insanely fatal things, lying half naked on a peak like that with the chest wound for about an hour would be enough to kill you too. There's really no end to the amount of insanely bullshit things Ollie just happened to survive.
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You can't give someone a cool death speech when you stab them in the heart.
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Aphrodite posted:You can't give someone a cool death speech when you stab them in the heart. The speech was in Arabic. Oliver doesn't speak Arabic. (Insert "Har-har, neither does Matt Nable" joke here)
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He can get a translation in hell. ...Probably a lot of Arabic speakers down there.
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Boogaleeboo posted:So you'd still be conscious for the fall that would turn your bones into jello on impact. And because even if you didn't die to either of those insanely fatal things, lying half naked on a peak like that with the chest wound for about an hour would be enough to kill you too. There's really no end to the amount of insanely bullshit things Ollie just happened to survive. Don't forget that he had to do some really serious rock-climbing before the fight. He should have been too exhausted to have a duel immediately afterward!
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What I realized about Ollie's entire post-death arc is how basic it is. "You guys should come to Starling!" "We can't." "Yeah, but...you guys should come to Starling!"
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Aphrodite posted:He can get a translation in hell. Dude come on now, too soon and poo poo.
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Met David Ramsey today and he owns. He was talking about how he wanted Arrow to do a musical episode to call out Jesse L. Martin and Grant Gustin. I asked him if they should get NPH as Music Meister and he said "definitely."  He also said that everyone's been asking him "When are you going to get a power ring" too.
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Scyantific posted:Met David Ramsey today and he owns. He was talking about how he wanted Arrow to do a musical episode to call out Jesse L. Martin and Grant Gustin. I asked him if they should get NPH as Music Meister and he said "definitely." So how big are his arms? Huge or Mega-huge?
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John Stewart Diggle...Driver without fear and a power ring.
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PaganGoatPants posted:So how big are his arms? Huge or Mega-huge? The only one I didn't get to see today was Amell, because (naturally) his autograph line and Q&A session was PACKED to the brim, which was kind of surprising considering there were tons of Dr. Who fans there who were also wanting to see Barrowman and Alex Kingston, who combined didn't even have half the line that Amell did. Gonna head back tomorrow to see him/get autographs though. Hopefully early.
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Met Amell & Manu Bennett at last year's Vancouver Fan Expo last spring and I cannot emphasize enough about how cool these guys are in person. One of the great things about being a fan of this show regardless of how you think the story arc is going is knowing what a humble, unabashed person the leading man is behind the scenes and the respect and appreciation he has for the people who have helped make this show a success.
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