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Rygar201 posted:I'm always surprised by how spry W was there You don't make MLB Commish without knowing how to duck a few curveballs.
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My Imaginary GF posted:With baggage from the 90s? That'd get SS involved rapidly. Don't you have some dead fish to put in the mail?
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The news this morning are all saying Chris Christie is finished and needs to go home. This guy always seems to bounce back, so how true a statement is that?
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Feb 8, 2015 18:07
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:The news this morning are all saying Chris Christie is finished and needs to go home. This guy always seems to bounce back, so how true a statement is that? This has been true for the last two years and three months. He never actually bounced back, he is just campaigning as though he did and he is facing ever-spiraling federal investigations.
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Feb 8, 2015 18:09
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Rygar201 posted:I'm always surprised by how spry W was there 
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Feb 8, 2015 18:13
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Wasn't there a photoshop contest with him dodging as the starter?
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:The news this morning are all saying Chris Christie is finished and needs to go home. This guy always seems to bounce back, so how true a statement is that? After his vaccine equivocating, Christie showed his true face. He isn't a hard-headed, no-gruff moderate, he's a willow-whipped pussycat of a strategists' moderate with unhidden mob connections. He wasn't yelling in those teachers' faces out of principle, he was yelling out of anger management issues. Christie's personality has, in the course of a week, turned from a virtue to a character flaw. My Imaginary GF fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Feb 8, 2015 |
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Feb 8, 2015 18:28
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Rygar201 posted:I'm always surprised by how spry W was there Jazerus posted:He never actually bounced back, he is just campaigning as though he did and he is facing ever-spiraling federal investigations. Christie's actions over the last year or so (the bridge closure, the bridge closure denials and coverups, his big-spending personal ways, his handling of Atlantic City and other state projects, that ebola nurse quarantine, etc.) have shown him to be not at all ready for prime time, and I think the funders have come to understand that.
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Feb 8, 2015 18:42
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Yeah from what I gather, after winning re-election he squandered a ton of the goodwill he had won with moderates while his popularity increased amongst the GOP base.
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Thinking back to my work for a 3rd party candidate in 2004, when I was still an idealist of the nth degree, I can't think of a single way it even furthered a conversation on any single issue in a meaningful or effective way. Yeah, you voted your conscience. But you mostly only made yourself feel better. Of course, my state was still a red one then. I'd advise even the most well-meaning lefty to not waste their time on a 3rd party in what's now nearing swing state status.
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Feb 8, 2015 19:32
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Christie needs to stick in this so we can have him be arrested for corruption charges by the FBI in the middle of a debate.
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Ted Cruz, echoing Scott Walker earlier, stated that he would not rule out US ground troops to fight ISIS. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/This_Week/sen-ted-cruz-deploy-us-troops-isis/story?id=28812917 Are there any major political figures who go further, and urge troops be sent in now, or promise that if elected President, they will deploy troops? The closest I can find in Lindsay Graham, who argues that ISIS cannot be stopped with anything short of 10,000 US troops in the region. http://thehill.com/policy/defense/231392-graham-10k-us-boots-on-the-ground-needed-to-stop-isis William Bear fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Feb 8, 2015 |
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Feb 8, 2015 19:35
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De Nomolos posted:Thinking back to my work for a 3rd party candidate in 2004, when I was still an idealist of the nth degree, I can't think of a single way it even furthered a conversation on any single issue in a meaningful or effective way. your vote does nothing but make yourself feel better anyway i don't understand why this is so hard to understand
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Voting takes time away from useful agitation and education work, anyway (in your SOC 200 class).
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V. Illych L. posted:your vote does nothing but make yourself feel better anyway i don't understand why this is so hard to understand It doesn't matter if *i* piss in the river, that's way too tiny an act to make the water unsafe to drink.
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De Nomolos posted:Thinking back to my work for a 3rd party candidate in 2004, when I was still an idealist of the nth degree, I can't think of a single way it even furthered a conversation on any single issue in a meaningful or effective way. If it was Nader, he went on to lend his credibility to Ron Paul by endorsing his cause in 2008 and 2012, so you helped the r  ution 
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yes, you have correctly ascertained the point, the reason you don't piss in rivers willy-nilly is because it's not done as a collective kind of deal rather than any harm it will cause individually. for any given person, voting D or R or third party means exactly nothing i mean, sure, if you want to feel like you've "won" the election by voting for the winning guy, go right ahead, but don't kid yourself into thinking that your vote is somehow important
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V. Illych L. posted:your vote does nothing but make yourself feel better anyway i don't understand why this is so hard to understand This is how we get minority white governments running majority black cities, like Ferguson, MO. The people who think their vote doesn't matter don't vote, and the people that do end up running the place. There actually is a difference between 0.000001 and 0. Add enough 0.000001s together and you get a meaningful number. This is why political parties exist - collective action by large groups of people (like all voting the same way) have impact on the world where isolated individuals do not.
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Deteriorata posted:This is how we get minority white governments running majority black cities, like Ferguson, MO. The people who think their vote doesn't matter don't vote, and the people that do end up running the place. No see, any action in which more than one person reads his post and decides not to vote doesn't count.
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Deteriorata posted:This is how we get minority white governments running majority black cities, like Ferguson, MO. The people who think their vote doesn't matter don't vote, and the people that do end up running the place. yes I agree but this has nothing to do with my point, which is that voting one of the major parties rather than third party so as not to "waste" your vote is completely nonsensical at an individual basis
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Rygar201 posted:I'm always surprised by how spry W was there Hey if I was George Bush I'd be training on the reg to be able to dodge things thrown at me too. You'd expect it to happen.
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Feb 8, 2015 20:05
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George W. Bush isn't the only President who can dodge a shoe on stage.
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V. Illych L. posted:yes I agree but this has nothing to do with my point, which is that voting one of the major parties rather than third party so as not to "waste" your vote is completely nonsensical at an individual basis A vote as part of collective action to effect change matters. A vote for a party that will never have any impact on the political process is a waste. Nothing matters at an individual level in politics. That's not a particularly useful insight, in and of itself. Third parties in American politics are feel-good ideological purity zones, nothing more.
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Joementum posted:George W. Bush isn't the only President who can dodge a shoe on stage. She didn't even dodge it, dude just missed.
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I feel like it's pointless to argue the "your ONE VOTE doesn't matter" issue with V.I.L. He's gonna keep hammering that point no matter what arguments appear, and the majority of us who feel otherwise will keep beating our heads against the wall. It generates a silly volume of posts in this and other political threads. The argument goes nowhere. Yeah, we know how you feel about my ONE VOTE not mattering. And I, and many others, disagree because of the significance of our votes in the collective, which you acknowledge and then go back to beating your drum. Sheesh.
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V. Illych L. posted:yes I agree but this has nothing to do with my point, which is that voting one of the major parties rather than third party so as not to "waste" your vote is completely nonsensical at an individual basis How about you start a new thread if you want to continue to argue about this?
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forbidden lesbian posted:She didn't even dodge it, dude just missed. The Hillary shoe-thrower was a woman, you sexist.
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forbidden lesbian posted:She didn't even dodge it, dude just missed. She's using the Philly shell cordovan, her stance creates the misses, the dodge is only there to setup the counterattack. Learn your president vs. shoe battle tactics.
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Sure, she can handle girl-thrown shoes, but Presidents need to dodge the laser like accuracy of a man-throw.
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Joementum posted:The Hillary shoe-thrower was a woman, you sexist.
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De Nomolos posted:Thinking back to my work for a 3rd party candidate in 2004, when I was still an idealist of the nth degree, I can't think of a single way it even furthered a conversation on any single issue in a meaningful or effective way. If you have a conscious, you get involved in primary campaigns for a party that can win. To vote 3rd party, outside a vote against Blago, is to make yourself feel better while doing jack poo poo to advocate for improved policy positions. V. Illych L. posted:yes I agree but this has nothing to do with my point, which is that voting one of the major parties rather than third party so as not to "waste" your vote is completely nonsensical at an individual basis Sounds like a "gently caress You, Got Mine" if I ever heard one. You vote for someone viable, or you waste everyone's time and add no growth with your vote. My Imaginary GF fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Feb 8, 2015 |
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Ben Carson says he will form an exploratory committee this month and announce if he's running or not in May. http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/08/us-usa-politics-carson-idUSKBN0LC0MG20150208 I'm spoiled. "But mommy, I don't want the store-brand model! I want HERMAN CAIN!" I miss the real deal. William Bear fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Feb 8, 2015 |
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Feb 8, 2015 21:02
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God I love that gif, those are the most enthusiastic throws in history.
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William Bear posted:Ben Carson says he will form an exploratory committee this month and announce if he's running or not in May. No surprise, his odds are better than expected: 
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Zwabu posted:I feel like it's pointless to argue the "your ONE VOTE doesn't matter" issue with V.I.L. He's gonna keep hammering that point no matter what arguments appear, and the majority of us who feel otherwise will keep beating our heads against the wall. It generates a silly volume of posts in this and other political threads. The argument goes nowhere. hahaha ok mate
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Joementum posted:The Hillary shoe-thrower was a woman, you sexist. Women can be dudes joe haven't you seen 90's classic Good Burger?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjr5TR8_Zws Listen to this you fucker
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Gyges posted:Voting third party in America, outside some very specific instances, is like going all the way to the polling place and then deciding not to vote. Voting Independent Candidate James Long has exactly the effect and impact as not voting at all. Though pretending the argument is to not vote at all is pretty silly. Thats why you register for the big party and vote for the right candidate in the primary.
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SNAKES N CAKES posted:No surprise, his odds are better than expected: Good to see even Carly beating Lindsey Graham.
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Holy poo poo Ted Cruz was in Germany? I live in Hamburg (Northern Germany) and I didn't see any coverage of him! The only coverage about US participation was about Biden! Maybe I'm not as involved about politics as I thought I am? Anyway, gently caress Rafael or whatever :P
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