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Retinue is completely worthless now. I owned enough of England to form Brittania and my retinue never got bigger than 700 troops. Barely enough to fend off vikings.
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Knuc U Kinte posted:Retinue is completely worthless now. I owned enough of England to form Brittania and my retinue never got bigger than 700 troops. Barely enough to fend off vikings. Is this new-new? Cause somewhere in there they made it almost entirely based on tech+buildings but I haven't played much since Charlemagne
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Feb 7, 2015 23:26
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Effectronica posted:Is this new-new? Cause somewhere in there they made it almost entirely based on tech+buildings but I haven't played much since Charlemagne I dunno. I haven't really played much since charlemagne came out.
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Feb 7, 2015 23:29
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i usually get a bunch of archer retinues with a few light infantry ones then make one of my flanks entirely made up of archers with just enough infantry that it doesn't have the penalty it melts everything on taht side and then the center pretty quickly.
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Feb 7, 2015 23:33
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I have played ck2 almost 800 hours and I never bothered learning all the esoteric poo poo about the combat. It's not like eu4 where army composition is literally the difference between victory and death.
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Feb 7, 2015 23:36
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Knuc U Kinte posted:I have played ck2 almost 800 hours and I never bothered learning all the esoteric poo poo about the combat. It's not like eu4 where army composition is literally the difference between victory and death. I dunno i dont really like wars in CK2 so i try to win them as quickly as possible so i can go back to managing vassals and watching them murder each other in my empire.
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Feb 7, 2015 23:39
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Effectronica posted:Is this new-new? Cause somewhere in there they made it almost entirely based on tech+buildings but I haven't played much since Charlemagne Charlemagne had a massive nerf to retinues. They cost more, you get fewer of them, they take up more points, and they reinforce slower. It was the right thing to do, because they were broken as poo poo. Longbows are still OP though, so Welsh culture is still the way to go. Longbows + Tanistry + Massive Volley makes the game easy as hell.
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Feb 8, 2015 00:13
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Knuc U Kinte posted:I have played ck2 almost 800 hours and I never bothered learning all the esoteric poo poo about the combat. It's not like eu4 where army composition is literally the difference between victory and death. I tried doing insane mass infantry armies and it works fine. That's what the AI usually does anyway. I guess if you use too much cavalry for your tech group or only cannon or something you can gently caress yourself over. Other than that you can just 50% infantry 50% cannon and win battles just fine. Not as well as if you had some cavalry to flank with though.
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Feb 8, 2015 00:58
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Honestly the CK2 combat system is fucktarded and they really need to simplify it down. It might as well just roll a d20 based on general vs general's stats or something because it's totally crazy and all the info flashes by so fast even on 1x that it might as well be loving dummy text.
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Feb 8, 2015 00:58
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Larry Parrish posted:Honestly the [pre-EU4 Paradox] combat system is fucktarded and they really need to simplify it down. It might as well just roll a d20 based on general vs general's stats or something because it's totally crazy and all the info flashes by so fast even on 1x that it might as well be loving dummy text. It's too bad the old wiki is down so I can't quote the passage about how they had no clue how naval combat worked in HOI2.
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Feb 8, 2015 01:10
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I remembr when I found out about the ultimate army composition in EU4. I was playing as the pope and had gold coming out my ears and was leading crazy assaults against the ottomans where we were outnumbered, but still won because I just cannonaded the filthy turk dogs into dust.
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Feb 8, 2015 02:30
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Larry Parrish posted:Honestly the CK2 combat system is fucktarded and they really need to simplify it down. It might as well just roll a d20 based on general vs general's stats or something because it's totally crazy and all the info flashes by so fast even on 1x that it might as well be loving dummy text. it's got some interestign ideas but outside of retinues there is pretty much no way to actually influence your army compositon and it's all stupidly hard to find out
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Feb 8, 2015 07:01
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You can click on any page of the Games CK2 thread and there is at least one post bragging about consoling their way to victory with a perfect ruler designed character or someone aggressively extolling the necessity of save scumming.
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Feb 8, 2015 11:52
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Uhh, no, paradox, I don't want a history sim. I want a narrative about the Celtic Empire rising in 1200 to poo poo on the filthy franks and anglos. Seriously they only ever play Ireland. I can't even count the number of times I've read 'It only took me till 1400 to form Britannia after I fabricated claims on everything!'
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Feb 8, 2015 14:29
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I get embarrassed when this is what my byz games look like by 1600Bishop Rodan posted:I did it! I got Definitely the Sultan of Rum! :turkey:
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Feb 8, 2015 18:06
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only 1800 years of slowly digging through directly to moscow. lol. did he never think to like, i dunno, cripple lithuania's economy instead of just taking one province at a time. like long truce timers dont even matter if they wont be able to put up a fight during the next war.
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Feb 8, 2015 18:08
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Pretty astounding when Poland beats you to Wallachia as the friggin ottos.
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Feb 8, 2015 18:10
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every time i seen an 1800's screenshot that's even vaguely impressive, it's either a repost or friend of the family Wiz.
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Feb 8, 2015 18:12
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Larry Parrish posted:every time i seen an 1800's screenshot that's even vaguely impressive, it's either a repost or friend of the family Wiz. i see some funny ones on tumblr once in a while 
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that's the most fail prussia i've ever seen.
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Volkerball posted:I just gave Ashkenazi's horde culture, and started as the king of Africa.
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Feb 9, 2015 00:48
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Think I'm gonna use my invasion CB to crack into Nubia since the Abassid blob doesn't seem to like to go that direction.
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Feb 9, 2015 01:11
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every time a game developer goes 'this is really dumb and we should fix it but' i want to shoot them in the face. games can be frustrating to code but if it's annoying even yourself, maybe its time to fix that thing.
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Feb 9, 2015 04:07
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Larry Parrish posted:Honestly the CK2 combat system is fucktarded and they really need to simplify it down. It might as well just roll a d20 based on general vs general's stats or something because it's totally crazy and all the info flashes by so fast even on 1x that it might as well be loving dummy text. there was an old mod that basically did that. it was reduced all unit stat differences to almost nothing and let martial score and leader modifiers do the heavy lifting (and martial score factor in more so that casualty rates were normal and battles didnt take 20 years i guess)
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Feb 9, 2015 08:44
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Average Bear posted:I get embarrassed when this is what my byz games look like by 1600 How the gently caress are you gonna be that small with Ottoman ideas in 1750. christ
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Feb 9, 2015 08:46
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I play really conservative aiming at pretty borders and imposted limits on where I'll expand but other than the retarded Russian tendril that should be what you look like by the time you finish off the Mamluks in like 1510 or so
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Feb 9, 2015 08:47
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DICKHEAD posted:I play really conservative aiming at pretty borders and imposted limits on where I'll expand but other than the retarded Russian tendril that should be what you look like by the time you finish off the Mamluks in like 1510 or so Some people are pretty legit awful at the game.
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Feb 9, 2015 08:49
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I'm pretty bad about getting myself coalitioned all the time but I usually use it as a springboard to take a huge chunk out of my rival and swallow a few lovely weak neighbors that had powerful allies. Someone like that almost definitely never even had a major AE penalty all game.
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Feb 9, 2015 15:43
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I'm going to start playing the EU board game with some goons online and holy poo poo while i can see the mechanics look like the videogame's it got a shitton of rules i barely understand. loving frenchmen making big rear end historicals
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Feb 9, 2015 15:47
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i start as portugal but have to change at 1/3rd of the game to russia lol
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Feb 9, 2015 15:47
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why lol
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Feb 9, 2015 15:50
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because portugal gets irrelevant at the 1600s and the game tries its best at being historical as gently caress. the venice dude has to change to netherlands or austria as well
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its p cool to see where the videogame version takes a lot of the mechanics though. i imagine the first EU played exactly like that
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TheLovablePlutonis posted:its p cool to see where the videogame version takes a lot of the mechanics though. i imagine the first EU played exactly like that the first eu was an incredible mess and barely playable, so you let me know
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You could say that for nearly every paradox game pre EU4/CK2. I loved EU3 but god drat was it janky
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Average Bear posted:You could say that for nearly every paradox game pre EU4/CK2. I loved EU3 but god drat was it janky I lost the disc, but seriously, they had a long way to go to reach even EU3 levels from EU1 and HOI1.
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Larry Parrish posted:every time a game developer goes 'this is really dumb and we should fix it but' i want to shoot them in the face. games can be frustrating to code but if it's annoying even yourself, maybe its time to fix that thing. probably because it's a big tangled up buggy mess and there are always a million other buggy things to fix, most of which are easier than that one speaking from lovely game dev experience
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my lovely game dev experience is all from text games so maybe it's harder than i think having to deal with drawing graphics and stuff. idk.
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The Old Gods start is so frustrating. The Karlings never ever lose more than one kingdom, the Abbasids don't break up, the Norse are annoying, and the Byzantines never weaken. Its so boring to play as a small power, and starting as big powers is boring as hell. But I want to play with pagans. the games response is "el stabo!!"  but guess what, no one wants to kill each other and the assassin button is gone.
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Average Bear posted:The Old Gods start is so frustrating. The Karlings never ever lose more than one kingdom, the Abbasids don't break up, the Norse are annoying, and the Byzantines never weaken. Its so boring to play as a small power, and starting as big powers is boring as hell. But I want to play with pagans. *screeching voice from the Games thread vault* Have you tried console + ruler designer?
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