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Pinwiz11 posted:I fully expect that Wizards already has a counter for Siege Rhino prepared and ready to drop in Dragons/Origins. It'll be like 3 sets later, just like how Skylasher showed up to the Delver party after it was already over.
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mcmagic posted:Yeah I did see it. Looks interesting but I don't have the Higharcs and I don't feel like buying them right before they are reprinted in MM 2015. Well, your lack of desire for a card you don't have doesn't make the deck or archetype bad, it just means you play something else for now. I'm waiting on mm2 for hierarchs as well.
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Feb 9, 2015 18:47
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Molybdenum posted:Well, your lack of desire for a card you don't have doesn't make the deck or archetype bad, it just means you play something else for now. I'm waiting on mm2 for hierarchs as well. I didn't say it's bad, it's not... It's just not a T1 deck.
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Feb 9, 2015 18:51
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mcmagic posted:Yeah I did see it. Looks interesting but I don't have the Higharcs and I don't feel like buying them right before they are reprinted in MM 2015. mcmagic posted:Modern feels like the worst constructed format right now... So is modern bad because of the format, or is it bad because you don't have the cards you want to play a certain deck?
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Feb 9, 2015 18:51
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jassi007 posted:So is modern bad because of the format, or is it bad because you don't have the cards you want to play a certain deck? Why can't it be both?  gently caress 200 dollar Tarmogoyfs, and I don't like either it or Siege Rhino as cards.
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jassi007 posted:So is modern bad because of the format, or is it bad because you don't have the cards you want to play a certain deck? It's bad because it's mcmagic who has horrible opinions and rarely posts anything that isn't bait. And I'm talking "humans have never observed this type of behavior UNTIL NOW" documentary levels of rare. TheKingofSprings posted:Why can't it be both? Agreed with this though. gently caress Goyf, gently caress Rhino.
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Feb 9, 2015 18:54
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Entropic posted:Sphinx's Revelation, Thragtusk, Delver of Secrets, Jace the Mind Sculpter / Stoneforge Mystic,... since I came back to the game there's always been something. Jace and Stonefroge were banned from Standard, so I think complaining about them was pretty legit, but I can agree about the others.
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I'm playing all creatures dredge tonight at Modern. The sideboard needs some serious work but its gonna be fun. Ancient Ziggurat baby!
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Feb 9, 2015 18:56
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jassi007 posted:So is modern bad because of the format, or is it bad because you don't have the cards you want to play a certain deck? You realize that those two statements aren't contradictory at all right? What the hell is your problem anyway? Give it a rest.
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Feb 9, 2015 18:56
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End of Life Guy posted:As a U/B control player, are my only options for dealing with Rakshasa Deathdealer and Fleecemane Lion Perilous Vault and an early Bile Blight ? I feel dead against them in the late game, and 1 for 1ing myself with 9 mana worth of Perilous Vault seems like something I should try not to do. Merciless Executioner.
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Feb 9, 2015 18:58
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Snacksmaniac posted:I'm playing all creatures dredge tonight at Modern. The sideboard needs some serious work but its gonna be fun. Ancient Ziggurat baby! This sounds hilarious and I'm going to find the decklist.
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Feb 9, 2015 18:58
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Pinwiz11 posted:I fully expect that Wizards already has a counter for Siege Rhino prepared and ready to drop in Dragons/Origins. Isn't that partially Valorous Stance's job?
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End of Life Guy posted:As a U/B control player, are my only options for dealing with Rakshasa Deathdealer and Fleecemane Lion Perilous Vault and an early Bile Blight ? I feel dead against them in the late game, and 1 for 1ing myself with 9 mana worth of Perilous Vault seems like something I should try not to do. Got one or two Ugins in your 75? E: Rinkles posted:Isn't that partially Valorous Stance's job? In the same way Doom Blade was a Baneslayer Angel counter, yes.
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Feb 9, 2015 19:00
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Pinwiz11 posted:I fully expect that Wizards already has a counter for Siege Rhino prepared and ready to drop in Dragons/Origins. Khan's Hunt (alternatively 'Ugin's Disgust') 1BB - Sorcery Target player reveals his or her hand and discards all multicolored spells. But for the more universal: Ugin's Decree 2 - Legendary Enchantment (colorless) When ~ enters the battlefield name a multicolored spell. The named spell can't be played as long as ~ remains in play. Basically I want a colorless Meddling Mage or a New Persecute. gently caress Rhino (and Anafenza).
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mcmagic posted:You realize that those two statements aren't contradictory at all right? What the hell is your problem anyway? Give it a rest. So you'd play a bad format if you had the cards for it? Would you be sure to tell everyone how bad it is and how much fun you aren't having?
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The thing keeping me out of seriously playing Modern right now is definitely "What can I play that doesn't need Goyfs, Noble Hierarchs or Scalding Tarns?"  I really hate Goyf being the most expensive card in Modern. It's not even that exciting. It's just the most efficient cheap green beater, so if you are playing a green creature deck it's almost always just the best card for the slot, nothing you run instead is ever going to be objectively better than it in most decks. I think that's the one card that, as much as they say the secondary market isn't a consideration, they're afraid to ban just because of the price. It should have been on the old banlist instead of Wild Nacatl. I really hope it's in MM2
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Entropic posted:The thing keeping me out of seriously playing Modern right now is definitely "What can I play that doesn't need Goyfs, Noble Hierarchs or Scalding Tarns?" Well you don't need Tarns for Storm, you just need to have a healthy disrespect for you opponent's patience.......
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jassi007 posted:So you'd play a bad format if you had the cards for it? I hear people play Commander all the time.
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Toshimo posted:I hear people play Commander all the time. Rack em AND bust em.  Errant Gin Monks posted:Commander is the most entertaining format in a long time. 
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Feb 9, 2015 19:08
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Toshimo posted:I hear people play Commander all the time. Commander is the most entertaining format in a long time.
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jassi007 posted:So you'd play a bad format if you had the cards for it? Would you be sure to tell everyone how bad it is and how much fun you aren't having? So if I think that Modern isn't a great format right now that means that according to you I'm not allowed to play Modern or comment about Modern. Excuse me, oh great keeper of the Magic discussion rules.
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Feb 9, 2015 19:09
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Count Bleck posted:This sounds hilarious and I'm going to find the decklist. http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=79412
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jassi007 posted:So you'd play a bad format if you had the cards for it? Would you be sure to tell everyone how bad it is and how much fun you aren't having? Did you play Standard during RTR-Theros and are you currently playing Modern now
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There are many things I would do if I could do them for free that I wouldn't pay $500 to do.
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Yawgmoth posted:Then maybe you can explain all the loving vitriol for this card because I've played it, I've played against it, and I don't see what the big deal is over it. I mean sure, it's good, being aggressively costed and having a free 3 point drain tacked on, but it doesn't have any evasion and is easily done in by all of the common white/black removal so it's not like you just drop it and win unless your opponent is in bolt range. Admittedly, how good the card is, and the frequency with which it is played exacerbate the annoyance that card causes, but those alone are not the source of ire. At least not for me. I hate the card because it is good but dumb. Siege Rhino never presents an interesting decision. On turn 4, it is coming down, it isn't unique, or cool, its just inflated stats with lava spike and healing salve stapled on. You can't chump it with another creature, and even if you have your own they don't trade in combat because of the higher toughness. It acts as a brick wall against aggresive decks, that also gains life. And the only ways to deal with it effectively are removal and blue counterspells. There are cards that require you to play well to gain advantage, hell as powerful as it is Goblin Rabblemaster is fun and interesting because it requires the opponent as well as Rabblemaster's controller to make interesting decisions: When to play it? Do I burn the blocker to save it? Do I play another Rabblemaster and force it to attack, or hold it back so both aren't forced to suicide into an opponent's creature. Against every deck (except U/B control occasionally) it is always correct to just run out your rhinos. There are no decisions on either side of the table to make with it.
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TheKingofSprings posted:In the same way Doom Blade was a Baneslayer Angel counter, yes. In your opinion, what form should the solution take? Stance is a cheap non black answer w/o Chained to the Rocks manabase requirements, that would probably even be played main board w/o the Rhino's ubiquity. I'd think that sort of thing is healthier than an explicit hoser.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Did you play Standard during RTR-Theros and are you currently playing Modern now I can honestly say no to this. after seeing monoblack devotion I said "nope, not doing this" and I never play modern, even though I do have all the cards I need to play it.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Got one or two Ugin in your 75? Ugin is a repeatable perilous vault in a sense, but drat he's pricy. Maybe I'll bite the bullet after another couple weeks of getting stomped by Abzan aggro. Maybe Merciless Executioner is a sideboard option. Or maybe he's downfalls 5 and 6?
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Entropic posted:The thing keeping me out of seriously playing Modern right now is definitely "What can I play that doesn't need Goyfs, Noble Hierarchs or Scalding Tarns?" Infect, Burn, Twin, Affinity, Amulet Combo. Tier 1.5 merfolk UWR midrange/control, bw tokens. You can technically play a UR deck with any combination of fetches that get blue and red, you can do it with 4 delta 4 bloodstained mire, you just end up taking a little more damage not being able to fetch out basics. You don't need scalding tarn for any deck anymore.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Did you play Standard during RTR-Theros and are you currently playing Modern now I don't play standard in any but the most casual way. I don't buy packs if I'm not drafting, and I don't buy singles that are likely to have their value tanked by 75% or more within 18 months. I follow standard, and i am aware that RTR-THS was a poo poo show of stupid mono-color decks. I have been playing modern since MM1. I just tried out a new UWR geist midrange list last friday beat Twin, lost to Burn, beat infect, lost to infect. Was a good time, the matches except burn were close (need kor firewalkers in my sideboard)
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Entropic posted:Sphinx's Revelation I never got the hate. UW Control was always viable for the life of this card, but it was never dominant. There were tons of decks throughout that could have your lunch if they had the right draw or you prepared wrong. It's a far cry from the omnipresence of Thragtusk. And once it went out they were like "yeah we didn't expect devotion to be this strong and control isn't getting cards this sweet again. Enjoy Jund, Junk or Naya: The Format forever, guys!"
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Nehru the Damaja posted:I never got the hate. UW Control was always viable for the life of this card, but it was never dominant. There were tons of decks throughout that could have your lunch if they had the right draw or you prepared wrong. It's a far cry from the omnipresence of Thragtusk. And once it went out they were like "yeah we didn't expect devotion to be this strong and control isn't getting cards this sweet again. Enjoy Jund, Junk or Naya: The Format forever, guys!" Nah UW control sucked. Supreme verdict, Snapcaster Mage, sphynx rev, Geist all bullshit cards. I hated playing against that poo poo until mazes end came out. Then it was funny as hell.
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Nehru the Damaja posted:I never got the hate. UW Control was always viable for the life of this card, but it was never dominant. There were tons of decks throughout that could have your lunch if they had the right draw or you prepared wrong. It's a far cry from the omnipresence of Thragtusk. And once it went out they were like "yeah we didn't expect devotion to be this strong and control isn't getting cards this sweet again. Enjoy Jund, Junk or Naya: The Format forever, guys!" the deck played a 1/60 win con, 5/60 if you were "winning" by using jayce to take their best thing. hard to describe as an archetype that most people want in a game that literally gets played for entire weekends at the highest levels also it turns a 3 hour 4 round fnm into a 5 hour
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I'm not saying you gotta like it. Obviously there was plenty of reason not to like it if you don't like control. But it was never putting up truly oppressive results.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Why can't it be both? I think all future sets should just blank cards ~
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Gyshall posted:I think all future sets should just blank cards ~ Sharpies are to drat expensive!
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mcmagic posted:So if I think that Modern isn't a great format right now that means that according to you I'm not allowed to play Modern or comment about Modern. Excuse me, oh great keeper of the Magic discussion rules. Woah, woah woah. If anyone is the Great Keeper of the Magic discussion rules, it's me. Let's see how many you are in violation of.... Rule 602.3a: Don't be a whiny bitch about getting priced out of a format. Nobody loving cares. Rule 412.7c: Nobody actually gives a poo poo about modern. Least of all WotC, as should be evidenced by everything they've done to it. Rule 3.1415: Your pet tier 2.5 deck sucks more dicks than a coked-out pornstar. If it was possible to give even less of a poo poo about it, I would have. Rule 1: Don't be mcmagic. Since we're at Thread REL Professional, looks like you done hosed up dawg. That's a clear Thread Violation - Major: Being a shitlord. I prescribe a strict regiment of not flinging poo poo in the Magic thread for at least 24 hours. God knows, everyone else in here could use the relief. Whatever you do, don't be the guy whose opinions were so awful they spawned a 40-man Legacy tournament and post poo poo like "give it a rest" like a giant babby. For fucks sake, just look at yourself. Toshimo fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Feb 9, 2015 |
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its not whether i enjoy the archetype, as opposed to it just makes every round go to time and someone always has the 15-20 min 5 turns in the control mirror control is fine, but having a deck that stalls to time isnt tourney friendly whatsoever
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mcmagic posted:Yeah I did see it. Looks interesting but I don't have the Higharcs and I don't feel like buying them right before they are reprinted in MM 2015. Hahah can we look at the real problem how the gently caress do you think the word is "Higharcs".
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