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Tias posted:Since I'm really stoked about the upcoming premiere for 9th of April, let's talk about the Operation Weserübung, the invasion of Denmark! They're not releasing 9th of April on the 9th of April? Looks interesting, too bad I don't speak Dannish. I hope it gets subtitled soon. Also, seeing that Pz.II pretty much sold me on it.
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:There's nothing implausile about his story since the Navy rotated major warships through both theaters throughout the war. Texas shelled Normandy and Iwo Jima, and North Carolina and Wasp did duty in the Atlantic and Mediterranean alongside the Royal Navy before going to the South Pacific. It seems like the need for things like battleships dried up pretty quick in the European theater. I mean I'm just spitballing because I'm at work but it seems like Q-ships, destroyers and victory ships covered most of what was needed (Plus whatever the RN had laying around) and just about everything else could be shifted to the Pacific. I mean what good is a battleship when you are fighting in the middle of France?
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Feb 9, 2015 16:40
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Arquinsiel posted:Dear god... 16th century Cybergoths Knowing the German music scene this is probably a thing.
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Feb 9, 2015 17:00
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Tias posted:Since I'm really stoked about the upcoming premiere for 9th of April, let's talk about the Operation Weserübung, the invasion of Denmark! Apparently more then 22% of the entire Danish police force ended up in German concentration camps. Now that's some concentrated resistance right there. 
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Feb 9, 2015 17:06
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xthetenth posted:Knowing the German music scene this is probably a thing.
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Feb 9, 2015 17:16
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Arquinsiel posted:I have had... conversations. The German music scene kind of redefines things to fit it's unique take on things and acts confused when the rest of the world doesn't agree. That and there's a chunk that feels that medieval folk is musical chocolate and goes well with everything. I'm pretty sure that I remember there being at least one electro of some sort and medieval mix band to go with all the rock and metal.
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Feb 9, 2015 17:18
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Rhymenoserous posted:It seems like the need for things like battleships dried up pretty quick in the European theater. I mean I'm just spitballing because I'm at work but it seems like Q-ships, destroyers and victory ships covered most of what was needed (Plus whatever the RN had laying around) and just about everything else could be shifted to the Pacific. I mean what good is a battleship when you are fighting in the middle of France? By the time we were in the middle of France (say, Sept-Oct '44) it was already pretty late in the war. At that point we've already done the really crazy fighting all through the South Pacific and the Marianas were mostly in hand. The groundwork for the Philippines was pretty well laid. Really the bulk of what was left was Luzon, Iwo, and Okinawa. Furthermore, just due to 3 years of wartime production rates we were well past the point that capital ship shortages were a major problem. Dial things back a few years (say '42-43 when things were pretty crazy in the Solomons and we were scraping the sides of the proverbial barrels to try and keep a USN surface presence in the area) and you had a ton of demand for off-shore bombardment in the Mediterranean. The Naval Battle of Guadalcanal (12 - 15 November, 1942) and Operation Torch (8 - 16 November, 1942) took place at essentially the same exact moment. The first represented the high point of the surface-on-surface activity in that part of the Pacific while the latter was just the initial stage of a larger Mediterranean campaign that lasted for essentially the entire war. Off shore bombardment support was a huge Allied advantage in the mediterranean and a lot of US battleships in particular spent a lot of time steaming around there while cruisers in the Pacific were facing down Japanese battleships and praying to god that we hurried the gently caress up and got more carrier hulls in the water. Cyrano4747 fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Feb 9, 2015 |
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One huge advantage the US had were modern battleships that could be taken out of port on something other than the big battle. For example, Kirishima got murdered because she ran up against two modern battleships. South Dakota was also on hand for Santa Cruz and contributed a bunch of AA. Meanwhile the Yamato and Musashi rarely leave Truk partly because they can't be risked for anything that isn't decisive, and also because they just can't spare the fuel.
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Feb 9, 2015 17:45
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Tias posted:6 hours stands as the record for shortest military operation during the war Jesus, they could make an extended cut that was literally real-time the entirety of the formal military resistance
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Feb 9, 2015 17:51
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Our leadership was really loving cowardly. I mean, what would be the point of sending our officers on leave, if there was no country to defend when they got back anyway? As I've mentioned before, there was actually a law passed that made it legal for officers in the RDA to serve in the SS on the eastern front 
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Feb 9, 2015 18:01
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Tias posted:Our leadership was really loving cowardly. I mean, what would be the point of sending our officers on leave, if there was no country to defend when they got back anyway? In all fairness, Denmark was utterly hosed from whatever angle you choose to look at the problem and managed to get out of the war fairly unscathed. Would you rather that Copenhagen got the same treatment as Rotterdam received? In the meantime the Danes managed to do some pretty neat stuff on the DL during the war, successfully resisted deporting their Jews until relatively late, and even then managed to get the majority of them over into Sweden. Not only that they managed to maintain ties to the Danish jews who did get arrested and keep a diplomatic eye on them, up to and including sending them direct shipments of food. Out of a pre-war population of ~8k only 50 actually died in the camps, which is a loving phenomenal survival rate. Against that passing a law allowing the handful of dickhead true believers in glorious pan-Aryanism to go sign on with the SS and get themselves offed on the Eastern Front isn't that big of a deal. poo poo, it probably did you guys a favor in the long run, clearing them out of the way for the post-war era.
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Heavens, no. To clarify, I (like most people here) am angry that we threw a handful of platoons of frightened conscripts at Germanys vastly superiour force, instead of surrendering right away. Our resistance movement did indeed own, and I think the Danish people comported themselves really well considering the lovely situation they were in. I don't know, man. I mean, I'm all for fascists killing themselves, but it just seems dishonest to pass the law, seeing them get fragged to hell and back, and then putting the survivors in camps because hey, we were liberated in the meantime.
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Feb 9, 2015 18:22
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Tias posted:As I've mentioned before, there was actually a law passed that made it legal for officers in the RDA to serve in the SS on the eastern front What about killing commie bastards do you not understand, comrade? 
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Feb 9, 2015 18:29
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xthetenth posted:That and there's a chunk that feels that medieval folk is musical chocolate and goes well with everything. I'm pretty sure that I remember there being at least one electro of some sort and medieval mix band to go with all the rock and metal.
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Feb 9, 2015 18:58
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The things I have seen at WGT... :thousandyardstare:
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Feb 9, 2015 19:52
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LimburgLimbo posted:Jesus, they could make an extended cut that was literally real-time the entirety of the formal military resistance I am giggling like an idiot at this
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Feb 9, 2015 20:16
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Those guys show up at every reenactment, and my best reenactment friend has completely poo poo taste in music so we go listen, every time.
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LimburgLimbo posted:Jesus, they could make an extended cut that was literally real-time the entirety of the formal military resistance If you watched every movie and TV show about World War II, it would take about 1/7th the length of the actual war. The 1971 Indo-Pakistani War (13 days) may have an even higher film:war ratio, but it's not clear. HEY GAL posted:A false-braid maker with some of his wares, from the Hausbuch der Landauerschen Zwölfbrüderstiftung. You can see purple, sea green, and red! Are there any paintings of women wearing these styles? A quick google of 16th century hair only turns up noblewomen. Libluini posted:I know I'm a bit late to the party here, but I couldn't leave that spoiler uncommented. We also brought some nasty diseases back to Europe, like Syphilis. Syphilis struck first, even: The first known cases of Syphilis were among Columbus' crew and the new disease spread like wildfire through Europe. So in a way, the real world mirrors the War of the Worlds. The invaders just died too fast to bring our diseases back home to Mars. Syphillis killed about 5 million Europeans in the first generation after its introduction, while smallpox and other European diseases killed about 20 million in the Aztec empire alone. There are bad epidemics, and then there are apocalyptic epidemics like smallpox. Of course, the disease and depopulation made it easier for Europeans to conquer the people in the Americas.
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And since this is from the 17th century, now I know they had lots of colors as well as the 16th.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Against that passing a law allowing the handful of dickhead true believers in glorious pan-Aryanism to go sign on with the SS and get themselves offed on the Eastern Front isn't that big of a deal. poo poo, it probably did you guys a favor in the long run, clearing them out of the way for the post-war era. I wouldn't be fussed about the true believers getting offed. I would be fussed about the Russians they managed to off first, though.
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Rhymenoserous posted:It seems like the need for things like battleships dried up pretty quick in the European theater. I mean I'm just spitballing because I'm at work but it seems like Q-ships, destroyers and victory ships covered most of what was needed (Plus whatever the RN had laying around) 'Plus whatever the RN had lying around' wasn't exactly two tugboats at this point in history. Also, destroyers and Q-ships were for convoy escorts across the Atlantic; all a battleship is good for on one of those when the opposition is expected to be entirely U-boats is being a giant floating target. 
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This may not be the precisely right thread for it, but does anyone have recommendations for good histories of colonial settlement in India? Obviously that would include stuff like the Anglo-Maratha wars and whatnot but I'd prefer something that covered more than just warfare.
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Chamale posted:Are there any paintings of women wearing these styles? A quick google of 16th century hair only turns up noblewomen. They could look more or less realistic:  Visit of Mary to Elizabeth, 1490 to 1500, detail  Cranach, Martyrdom of St. Catherine  Cranach, Judith and Holofernes--I'm not even sure if that's her real hair or not in that net. Picture included mainly for her facial expression and her outfit, which is intended to look military while still being feminine. She wears rings beneath the slashes on her gloves--you can see them peeking through, as she smugly winds her fingers through her victim's hair. Cute! They could be realistic-ish but a different hair color:  Magdalena Of Valois And Ladislaus the Posthumous--her natural hair is brown, under the golden braids. Perhaps tomorrow her hair shall be purple. Or you could include a subtle bit of unnatural color, like the red accents here:  Realistic color, volume says "gently caress you:"  Kunigonde of Austria Or they could be an entirely unnatural color, as seen here. The hagiography of St. Claire includes her getting her hair cut as she joins St. Francis on the road of poverty and renunciation. They're cutting her real hair, but you can see her headband on the altar and, beneath it, her false braids, now undone. They're blue. 
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Rhymenoserous posted:It seems like the need for things like battleships dried up pretty quick in the European theater. I mean I'm just spitballing because I'm at work but it seems like Q-ships, destroyers and victory ships covered most of what was needed (Plus whatever the RN had laying around) and just about everything else could be shifted to the Pacific. I mean what good is a battleship when you are fighting in the middle of France? Q-ships were atrocious and useless. They weren't very effective in WWI, and a WWII submarine was far more sophisticated and unlikely to ever get sighted and struck by deck guns. Destroyer escorts and Corvettes were the real workhorses of the convoys. While Destroyers themselves are quick and well-armed, ships built for convoy escort tended to be slower and unsuited for fleet action. That's fine, because submarines themselves are slow and fragile. The RN and the RCN took up most of the convoy escort duties and built most of the escorts while the convoys were most threatened. To the US' credit quite a few of them were WWI-era destroyers to the British for basing rights (Essentially for free). The Destroyers for Bases Agreement is one those things that people ignore when they try and argue that the US would never have declared war on Germany. Anyways, capital ships don't escort convoys unless you're expecting something more than submarine attack.
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HEY GAL posted:
My executioner book says that she has striped clothing and red hair because she's an dishonourable executioner.  Same subject by Cranach the Elder.
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100 Years Ago February 5th: With control of Lake Tanganyika critical to the war in Africa, both sides are resorting to flat-pack military solutions, and I only wish I were making it up. With this level of silliness already, it's clearly going to take an effort of surpassing ridiculosity to break the deadlock. February 6th: Speaking of ridiculous, it's back to the Western Front for the tale of the Purple Horse, and I'm running out of turns of phrase to deploy when describing extremely silly happenings. February 7th: Speaking of ridiculous, again, today the Germans on the Eastern Front are going to launch a major attack in Prussia through a massive blizzard. Speaking of even more ridiculous, it actually works. There's also a new chess problem, and a collection of heart-warming stories about BEF soldiers having close personal encounters with rats. February 8th: Striking out towards sanity, Sir John French officially proposes an offensive from Neuve Chapelle to seize the Aubers Ridge, a previously-insignificant bobble on the map that has suddenly acquired the utmost military importance. The Russians continue going backwards at a rate of knots, and the worst is yet to come. Today: The situation around Basra is not looking very promising at all. The Russian right wing dissolves in the face of a massive German kicking.
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Hogge Wild posted:My executioner book says that she has striped clothing and red hair because she's an dishonourable executioner.
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Arquinsiel posted:This sounds like you've been to WGT and seen things. I have seen things. Turns out the Irish alt traditions get on with the German alt traditions about as well as the Irish and Germans get on at anything. What is WGT?
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Frostwerks posted:What is WGT?
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Going to the Bay Area Renaissance Festival in Tampa next week. I wonder if the Landsknecht guys will be there again doing lessons.
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Arquinsiel posted:It's.... certainly a thing. A very German thing. Full of Germans. every_city_festival_between_Stralsund_and_Lake_Constance.wav
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Arquinsiel posted:It's.... certainly a thing. A very German thing. Full of Germans. Wikipedia posted:Typical attendees, 2002: No kidding
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Trin Tragula posted:100 Years Ago This is fantastic.
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Arquinsiel posted:Turns out the Irish alt traditions get on with the German alt traditions about as well as the Irish and Germans get on at anything. Some of them secretly collaborate against the British while others cooperate with the Germans via the Tories to gently caress over their fellow Irish?
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Some of them secretly collaborate against the British while others cooperate with the Germans via the Tories to gently caress over their fellow Irish?
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I petition to replace gothchat (vampires and misery) with gothchat (Roman immigrants).
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Trin Tragula posted:Tale of the Purple Horse I think it was easy to get a dark purple colour if the Khaki dye was used in the wrong concentration. Once, my dad brought home some of the stuff from his work's lab, the plan was to dye some paper to make some model army tents but they came out wrong. Potassium Permanganate rings a bell, but it was so long ago that I can't remember.
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Oh, well, poo poo happens.
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HEY GAL posted:She's a military leader who just killed her enemy counterpart, most of Cranach's female subjects have red or strawberry-blond hair, and a whole lot of 16th century German nobles in paintings wear stripes. So I'm going to take issue with that interpretation. Technically, I think she talked her way into his tent and then stabbed him? Assuming that the story is actually true and not an allegory, since it seems to be a retelling of Ja-El and Sisera from the Old Testament. I don't think Judith received any formal military commission, nor was she in uniform, which would mark her as an unlawful combatant under the Geneva Convention.
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xthetenth posted:I petition to replace gothchat (vampires and misery) with gothchat (Roman immigrants). Please explain: What if the goths were gay and black? Would the Romans still fall due to the constant pressure of warfare with new tribes, or would they have let them into their orgies and remade a new black homosexual golden age? 
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sullat posted:Technically, I think she talked her way into his tent and then stabbed him? Assuming that the story is actually true and not an allegory, since it seems to be a retelling of Ja-El and Sisera from the Old Testament. I don't think Judith received any formal military commission, nor was she in uniform, which would mark her as an unlawful combatant under the Geneva Convention.  Caravaggio's Judith and Holofernes. Her facial expression is the best.
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