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So now the arguement is that parents shouldn't report when their kids commit petty crime because good parents don't snitch on their kids?
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Feb 10, 2015 20:24
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Trabisnikof posted:So now the arguement is that parents shouldn't report when their kids commit petty crime because good parents don't snitch on their kids? well in this case it is not the snitches who get the stiches
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Feb 10, 2015 20:26
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Trabisnikof posted:So now the arguement is that parents shouldn't report when their kids commit petty crime because good parents don't snitch on their kids? sorry mom and dad but i am reporting you to the police for your excessive speeding on your commute today.
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Feb 10, 2015 20:29
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Trabisnikof posted:So now the arguement is that parents shouldn't report when their kids commit petty crime because good parents don't snitch on their kids? The point is that there is no such thing as a safe interaction with the police. If you're a parent and have the best interests of your child at heart, avoid any involvement with the justice system.
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Feb 10, 2015 20:36
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Trabisnikof posted:So now the arguement is that parents shouldn't report when their kids commit petty crime because good parents don't snitch on their kids? quote:"I basically framed him with my buddies," Kenzakoski said Tuesday. he should've reported himself for purposely framing himself while he was at it
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Feb 10, 2015 20:36
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I like how the dad was scared that his high school drinking would interfere with his college wrestling scholarship, aka the professional drinking world championship.
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Feb 10, 2015 22:45
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Trabisnikof posted:So now the arguement is that parents shouldn't report when their kids commit petty crime because good parents don't snitch on their kids? Hrmm gee should I frame my child, sabotage his future, and deliver him into one the most dysfunctional and abusive justice systems in the first world so he'll keep playing that sport I like I just don't know. Being a parent is just so damned hard! OH also I'm a loving idiot and my kid shot himself but the cop buddies who put me up to it think those two things probably aren't related.
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Feb 10, 2015 23:18
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Woozy posted:Hrmm gee should I frame my child, sabotage his future, and deliver him into one the most dysfunctional and abusive justice systems in the first world so he'll keep playing that sport I like I just don't know. Being a parent is just so damned hard! OH also I'm a loving idiot and my kid shot himself but the cop buddies who put me up to it think those two things probably aren't related. if you're Not Paying Attention it's easy to believe that the police are still the friendly neighborhood barney fife types who will scare some sense into your kid. unfortunately this dumbass father learned about the prison-industrial complex the hard way
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Feb 10, 2015 23:24
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Woozy posted:Hrmm gee should I frame my child, sabotage his future, and deliver him into one the most dysfunctional and abusive justice systems in the first world so he'll keep playing that sport I like I just don't know. Being a parent is just so damned hard! OH also I'm a loving idiot and my kid shot himself but the cop buddies who put me up to it think those two things probably aren't related.
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Feb 10, 2015 23:50
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Popular Thug Drink posted:if you're Not Paying Attention it's easy to believe that the police are still the friendly neighborhood barney fife types who will scare some sense into your kid. unfortunately this dumbass father learned about the prison-industrial complex the hard way I honestly thought that you could contact the police and set something up with them beforehand so this kind of thing wouldn't happen.
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Feb 11, 2015 00:11
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RareAcumen posted:I honestly thought that you could contact the police and set something up with them beforehand so this kind of thing wouldn't happen. yeah but control of events is still up to the officer(s) on scene so if they send Ofc. Roidrage out to gently talk some sense into your bratty kid,
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Feb 11, 2015 00:15
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Last time I really had to call the cops in a non emergency I made a point to have them visit me at work and not home, pretty much because of this poo poo and the fact that I live in a shady neighborhood but work in a nice one. On the plus side their advice of "tell the person you called the cops" did get my dog back from someone trying to sell him on an Amazon.com employee black market sooooo, good on him.
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Feb 11, 2015 00:20
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Popular Thug Drink posted:yeah but control of events is still up to the officer(s) on scene so if they send Ofc. Roidrage out to gently talk some sense into your bratty kid, Okay, that's honestly the best point you could make against that. I get it now.
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Feb 11, 2015 00:21
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The cop who shot Akai Gurley in a stairwell, then along with his partner, spent 6 minutes texting his union rep instead of providing aid, will be indicted
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Feb 11, 2015 00:23
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Trabisnikof posted:So now the arguement is that parents shouldn't report when their kids commit petty crime because good parents don't snitch on their kids? It was quickly shown that no, that wasn't the argument, that is a separate argument which can also be made convincingly. Would you care to discuss it? Do you think it's good to call the police on your own children, for crimes you didn't make up? Or maybe you'd prefer to let this blow over and post some other canard in a week about what "the argument is."
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Feb 11, 2015 00:41
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Trabisnikof posted:So now the arguement is that parents shouldn't report when their kids commit petty crime because good parents don't snitch on their kids? The majority of parents I deal with are shocked at the way their children are treated by the police and the criminal justice system, and ultimately come to regret having to rely on them to get basic mental health and substance abuse treatment for their children. Parents are in the business of helping their children. The criminal justice system is not.
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Feb 11, 2015 00:45
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Don't point the police at someone you don't want to kill.
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Feb 11, 2015 01:08
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SedanChair posted:It was quickly shown that no, that wasn't the argument, that is a separate argument which can also be made convincingly. Would you care to discuss it? Do you think it's good to call the police on your own children, for crimes you didn't make up? Or maybe you'd prefer to let this blow over and post some other canard in a week about what "the argument is." I think this is an interesting question, those that would report a stranger to the police, would you ever report your own child for Joyriding? What if it was a neighbor's car? What about a neighbor's kid in your car?
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Feb 11, 2015 01:16
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Trabisnikof posted:I think this is an interesting question, those that would report a stranger to the police, would you ever report your own child for Joyriding? What if it was a neighbor's car? What about a neighbor's kid in your car? That's actually a difficult question, I would have to weigh the danger of them killing somebody through reckless driving against the danger of them (and bystanders) being hosed down with bullets by police. I don't think there's a good answer, and "call the police" doesn't really strike me as an answer deserving to be ranked any more highly than the others.
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Feb 11, 2015 01:28
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repeating posted:The cop who shot Akai Gurley in a stairwell, then along with his partner, spent 6 minutes texting his union rep instead of providing aid, will be indicted quote:The 28-year-old Gurley was killed Nov. 20 by NYPD Officer Peter Liang, who was patrolling the building with his gun drawn. New York City Police Commissioner William Bratton has said that Liang fired his weapon once after Gurley and his girlfriend opened a door to the stairwell, adding that Gurley was “totally innocent.” Jesus H. gently caress, why in the world would the police patrol with guns drawn? quote:“It’s a tragic, tragic, tragic case,” Ed Mullins, president of the Sergeants Benevolent Association, told the New York Daily News. “I’m sad that he was indicted… I don’t know exactly what transpired in that hallway, but I believe it’s a truly accidental incident.” Yeah, of course it's an accident that he shot someone for opening a door. The issue is that he went into the building finger on the trigger expecting to shoot someone dead.
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Feb 11, 2015 02:22
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I like that he had to be "innocent" for it to be wrong to shoot him. It clearly is not enough that he was a man.
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Feb 11, 2015 02:27
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Randbrick posted:I like that he had to be "innocent" for it to be wrong to shoot him. It clearly is not enough that he was a man. I like that the implication is that "innocent until proven guilty in court" is completely out the window. Which it is. But they usually don't admit that.
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Feb 11, 2015 02:42
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Zeitgueist posted:I like that the implication is that "innocent until proven guilty in court" is completely out the window. Which it is. But they usually don't admit that. Dead men post no bail.
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Feb 11, 2015 02:45
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Murderion posted:Jesus H. gently caress, why in the world would the police patrol with guns drawn? Trabisnikof posted:Or you can blame NYPD for not using their huge budget on buying patrolmen flashlights. Rent-A-Cop fucked around with this message at 04:15 on Feb 11, 2015 |
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Feb 11, 2015 04:05
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Rent-A-Cop posted:He was using his weapon-mounted flashlight to see his way down a dark stairwell because NYC can't be bothered to maintain public housing to a basic standard of livability. Or you can blame NYPD for not using their huge budget on buying patrolmen flashlights.
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Feb 11, 2015 04:12
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So being a cop in New York is actually less scary than Doom 3.
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Feb 11, 2015 04:31
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Zeitgueist posted:I like that the implication is that "innocent until proven guilty in court" is completely out the window. Which it is. But they usually don't admit that. So after all the times police departments have smeared victims of police shootings we're going to get indignant when this time the cops go out of their way to point out the victim was doing nothing wrong at the time?
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Feb 11, 2015 05:00
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Jarmak posted:So after all the times police departments have smeared victims of police shootings we're going to get indignant when this time the cops go out of their way to point out the victim was doing nothing wrong at the time? Have we really set the bar so low that merely meeting the minimal levels of decency is worthy of praise, despite someone being dead? Your own question already admits how rare this is. Get back to me when it's the rule and not the exception.
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Feb 11, 2015 07:35
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Rent-A-Cop posted:He was using his weapon-mounted flashlight to see his way down a dark stairwell because NYC can't be bothered to maintain public housing to a basic standard of livability. Do those flashlights need your safety off for them to work?
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Feb 11, 2015 14:53
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Bedshaped posted:Do those flashlights need your safety off for them to work? Haha a safety?
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Feb 11, 2015 15:16
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Bedshaped posted:Do those flashlights need your safety off for them to work? He was carrying a Glock, which don't have external safeties, only a trigger safety.
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Feb 11, 2015 15:24
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Bedshaped posted:Do those flashlights need your safety off for them to work? Glocks have grip safeties. Besides don't NYPD guns have some sort of ridiculously heavy trigger pull? It's not like he was startled and it just went off when he flinched.
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Feb 11, 2015 15:25
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Jarmak posted:Glocks have grip safeties. They don't have a grip safety, only the trigger bar. And yeah their pistols have the New York Trigger "upgrade" which makes the trigger pull like 13 pounds. Heavy enough to be impossible for casual shooters to keep on target, but not heavy enough to prevent reflexively jerking the trigger.
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Feb 11, 2015 15:28
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Bedshaped posted:Do those flashlights need your safety off for them to work? Assuming it was the ubiquitous-in-policing Glock, they don't actually have a safety. I'm fairly positive that basic trigger discipline would have solved the issue, or if the dude wasn't using his firearm for a flashlight. Which is a terrible idea anyway. I don't care if the department doesn't buy them flashlights, go loving get one before using your fire. They're like $3 for a cheap one and $30 for a nice one. LogisticEarth fucked around with this message at 15:32 on Feb 11, 2015 |
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Feb 11, 2015 15:30
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LogisticEarth posted:Assuming it was the ubiquitous-in-policing Glock It was - at least one article identifies Liang's gun as a 9mm Glock.
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Feb 11, 2015 15:33
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What kind of idiot walks around with his finger wrapped around the trigger like it's nothing? He doesn't need to be let near anything dangerous. Ever.
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Feb 11, 2015 15:40
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SedanChair posted:They don't have a grip safety, only the trigger bar. And yeah their pistols have the New York Trigger "upgrade" which makes the trigger pull like 13 pounds. Heavy enough to be impossible for casual shooters to keep on target, but not heavy enough to prevent reflexively jerking the trigger. Yeah gently caress me I shouldn't post before my second cup of coffee. Remembered no manual safety, don't know where I got the idea in my head it was a grip safety instead of a trigger bar.
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Feb 11, 2015 15:46
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GreyPowerVan posted:What kind of idiot walks around with his finger wrapped around the trigger like it's nothing? He doesn't need to be let near anything dangerous. Ever. The same kind that shoots an innocent person and then starts texting. Is this guy currently sitting in jail or is he on paid leave?
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Feb 11, 2015 15:51
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Article said he planned on turning himself in today sometime.
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Feb 11, 2015 16:13
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Why not have a manual saftey? Something you have to deliberetly click "on" before firing?
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Feb 11, 2015 16:20
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