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Applewhite: Aug 16, 2014; by vyelkin; Nap Ghost

vulturesrow posted:

Well SWO JOs have a lot of stuff do as well and arguably the Chiefs should be handling a lot of the low level aspects of running a division. In aviation it's unavoidable because I'm not available for many hours at a time when I'm planning, briefing, flying, and debriefing.

Don't forget your mando eight hours of sleep.

# ? Feb 10, 2015 19:55

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# ? Jun 5, 2024 11:50

Mr. Nice!: Oct 13, 2005; bone shaking.
soul baking.

Applewhite posted:

Don't forget your mando eight hours of sleep.

# ? Feb 10, 2015 20:04

vulturesrow: Sep 25, 2011; _{Always gotta pay it forward.}

Applewhite posted:

Don't forget your mando eight hours of sleep.

8 hours isn't really enough tbh.

Also, crew rest is a"should" not a "shall"according to 3710. :science:

# ? Feb 10, 2015 23:16

Boon: Jun 21, 2005; by R. Guyovich

vulturesrow posted:

Also, crew rest is a"should" not a "shall"according to 3710.

The SWO in me just instantly used that as a concession/justification for less sleep.

The human in me hates the SWO in me.

# ? Feb 10, 2015 23:22

Applewhite: Aug 16, 2014; by vyelkin; Nap Ghost

vulturesrow posted:

8 hours isn't really enough tbh.

Also, crew rest is a"should" not a "shall"according to 3710.

Talk to me when you are in 3 sections and just came off the 2-7 and are expected to do the 22-02 the next night and there's a GQ all day so God loving forbid you be in your rack for any reasonable amount of time. Maybe if you skip dinner you can catch a couple hours.

# ? Feb 10, 2015 23:57

Analogical: May 20, 2013; EEOD? Why not, I could use a break from work

Applewhite posted:

Talk to me when you are ~navy things~ and just came off the ~navy work~ and are expected to do the ~more navy work?~ the next night and there's a ~gay magazine~ all day so God loving forbid you be in your ~navy place~ for any reasonable amount of time. Maybe if you skip dinner you can catch a couple hours.

For the other IDCers

# ? Feb 11, 2015 00:07

vulturesrow: Sep 25, 2011; _{Always gotta pay it forward.}

Applewhite posted:

Talk to me when you are in 3 sections and just came off the 2-7 and are expected to do the 22-02 the next night and there's a GQ all day so God loving forbid you be in your rack for any reasonable amount of time. Maybe if you skip dinner you can catch a couple hours.

I was joking about the 8 hour thing buuuuuut...choose your rate, choose your fate!

# ? Feb 11, 2015 00:46

Stultus Maximus: Dec 21, 2009; USPOL May

Applewhite posted:

Talk to me when you are in 3 sections and just came off the 2-7 and are expected to do the 22-02 the next night and ~~there's a GQ all day~~ you're a SWO so God loving forbid you be in your rack for any reasonable amount of time. Maybe if you skip dinner you can catch ~~a couple hours.~~ 20 minutes.

# ? Feb 11, 2015 00:52

warsow: Jun 28, 2009

Analogical posted:

For the other IDCers

# ? Feb 11, 2015 01:04

vulturesrow: Sep 25, 2011; _{Always gotta pay it forward.}

Analogical posted:

For the other IDCers

You guys have buttplug lol.

# ? Feb 11, 2015 01:12

Laranzu: Jan 18, 2002

vulturesrow posted:

You guys have buttplug lol.

That's a downer tbh

# ? Feb 11, 2015 01:22

Mr. Nice!: Oct 13, 2005; bone shaking.
soul baking.

Stultus Maximus posted:

My last captain had in his standing orders that you had to get at least 4 hours of sleep a night. He recommended 5. If you had to assume the watch with less than 4, you had to get permission from him first. He didn't like being woke up for it, but it was one of those things he was on top of. He encouraged us to catch naps anytime we could during the day on nights that we would be up like that.

# ? Feb 11, 2015 01:27

KetTarma: Jul 25, 2003; Suffer not the lobbyist to live.

Mr. Nice! posted:

My last captain had in his standing orders that you had to get at least 4 hours of sleep a night. He recommended 5. If you had to assume the watch with less than 4, you had to get permission from him first. He didn't like being woke up for it, but it was one of those things he was on top of. He encouraged us to catch naps anytime we could during the day on nights that we would be up like that.

You got to sleep every night??

# ? Feb 11, 2015 01:33

Sir Lucius: Aug 3, 2003

I feel like the only reason SWOs don't commit suicide more often is because it would look bad on their fitrep.

# ? Feb 11, 2015 01:34

Stultus Maximus: Dec 21, 2009; USPOL May

KetTarma posted:

You got to sleep every night??

or during the day??

# ? Feb 11, 2015 01:44

Howard Phillips: May 4, 2008; His smile; it shines in the darkest of depths. There is hope yet.

The SWO is too drat strong in me.

SWO is literally the Navy. It's god's work that others don't have the balls to do it. We're making miracles happen every loving day on nothing. COCOMs are hungry idiotic political beasts in peace time and their demand signal for their "missions" literally destroys the fleets and the Sailors. SWOs have to make that poo poo happen. There's a reason why at the Pentagon there's a saying that if it's a particularly difficult task with little guidance or reference to go from "give it a SWO." We get poo poo done, it may not be pretty and people's lives might suck but WE GET poo poo DONE. All this with sequestration, reduced manning, retarded procurement, BUPERS, OPNAV, and a million other BS.
:cmon:

# ? Feb 11, 2015 02:19

Applewhite: Aug 16, 2014; by vyelkin; Nap Ghost

Howard Phillips posted:

The SWO is too drat strong in me.

SWO is literally the Navy. It's god's work that others don't have the balls to do it. We're making miracles happen every loving day on nothing. COCOMs are hungry idiotic political beasts in peace time and their demand signal for their "missions" literally destroys the fleets and the Sailors. SWOs have to make that poo poo happen. There's a reason why at the Pentagon there's a saying that if it's a particularly difficult task with little guidance or reference to go from "give it a SWO." We get poo poo done, it may not be pretty and people's lives might suck but WE GET poo poo DONE. All this with sequestration, reduced manning, retarded procurement, BUPERS, OPNAV, and a million other BS.

Yeah that's what they told me that got me to go SWO, too.

# ? Feb 11, 2015 02:33

Null Integer: Mar 1, 2006; A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.

Howard Phillips posted:

The SWO is too drat strong in me.

SWO is literally the Navy. It's god's work that others don't have the balls to do it. We're making miracles happen every loving day on nothing. COCOMs are hungry idiotic political beasts in peace time and their demand signal for their "missions" literally destroys the fleets and the Sailors. SWOs have to make that poo poo happen. There's a reason why at the Pentagon there's a saying that if it's a particularly difficult task with little guidance or reference to go from "give it a SWO." We get poo poo done, it may not be pretty and people's lives might suck but WE GET poo poo DONE. All this with sequestration, reduced manning, retarded procurement, BUPERS, OPNAV, and a million other BS.

SWO go home.

# ? Feb 11, 2015 02:36

Applewhite: Aug 16, 2014; by vyelkin; Nap Ghost

Null Integer posted:

SWO go home.

Our home is the sea.

# ? Feb 11, 2015 02:37

Stultus Maximus: Dec 21, 2009; USPOL May

Applewhite posted:

Yeah that's what they told me that got me to go SWO, too.

They told me about Westpac and Med cruises.
Then 9/11 happened.

# ? Feb 11, 2015 02:43

Time Crisis Actor: Apr 28, 2002; by Hand Knit

Howard Phillips posted:

The SWO is too drat strong in me.

SWO is literally the Navy. It's god's work that others don't have the balls to do it. We're making miracles happen every loving day on nothing. COCOMs are hungry idiotic political beasts in peace time and their demand signal for their "missions" literally destroys the fleets and the Sailors. SWOs have to make that poo poo happen. There's a reason why at the Pentagon there's a saying that if it's a particularly difficult task with little guidance or reference to go from "give it a SWO." We get poo poo done, it may not be pretty and people's lives might suck but WE GET poo poo DONE. All this with sequestration, reduced manning, retarded procurement, BUPERS, OPNAV, and a million other BS.

# ? Feb 11, 2015 02:44

PneumonicBook: Sep 26, 2007; Do you like our owl?; Ultra Carp

Howard Phillips posted:

The SWO is too drat strong in me.

SWO is literally the Navy. It's god's work that others don't have the balls to do it. We're making miracles happen every loving day on nothing. COCOMs are hungry idiotic political beasts in peace time and their demand signal for their "missions" literally destroys the fleets and the Sailors. SWOs have to make that poo poo happen. There's a reason why at the Pentagon there's a saying that if it's a particularly difficult task with little guidance or reference to go from "give it a SWO." We get poo poo done, it may not be pretty and people's lives might suck but WE GET poo poo DONE. All this with sequestration, reduced manning, retarded procurement, BUPERS, OPNAV, and a million other BS.

loving lmao

Noble.txt

# ? Feb 11, 2015 02:48

Stultus Maximus: Dec 21, 2009; USPOL May

You think that's something, get a gung-ho Boatswain's Mate talking about how BMs are "literally the Navy."

# ? Feb 11, 2015 02:51

Laranzu: Jan 18, 2002

Howard Phillips posted:

The SWO is too drat strong in me.

SWO is literally the Navy. It's god's work that others don't have the balls to do it. We're making miracles happen every loving day on nothing. COCOMs are hungry idiotic political beasts in peace time and their demand signal for their "missions" literally destroys the fleets and the Sailors. SWOs have to make that poo poo happen. There's a reason why at the Pentagon there's a saying that if it's a particularly difficult task with little guidance or reference to go from "give it a SWO." We get poo poo done, it may not be pretty and people's lives might suck but WE GET poo poo DONE. All this with sequestration, reduced manning, retarded procurement, BUPERS, OPNAV, and a million other BS.

Yeah, that's not something to be proud of. Instead of making everything worse for yourself, your sailors, your peers and you ships, there needs to be a line where SWOs say its unhealthy and they can't assume more duties or missions. Maybe then there would be some unfucking of funding, manning and platforms.

The current SWO culture as evidenced above is toxic. You shouldn't be proud of getting less sleep than the next guy. You shouldn't be proud of almost driving yourself to a breakdown. You shouldn't be proud of constantly being yelled at/ yelling at juniors. The FITREP shouldn't be padded by beating the souls out of the people below you to accomplish some bullshit that doesn't really have to be done RIGHT NOW. When a SWO gets promoted to upper leadership from this environment, they perpetuate it just because its the way it has always been. The other ones get out.

You should be proud of finding ways to streamline poo poo so everyone can get their off time as necessary. If this isn't possible, poo poo is broken.

# ? Feb 11, 2015 03:03

Analogical: May 20, 2013; EEOD? Why not, I could use a break from work

Stultus Maximus posted:

You think that's something, get a gung-ho Boatswain's Mate talking about how BMs are "literally the Navy."

then goes to OCS, becomes SWO

# ? Feb 11, 2015 03:05

Stultus Maximus: Dec 21, 2009; USPOL May

Analogical posted:

then goes to OCS, becomes SWO

That would require a BM learning to read and write.

# ? Feb 11, 2015 03:06

Applewhite: Aug 16, 2014; by vyelkin; Nap Ghost

Stultus Maximus posted:

You think that's something, get a gung-ho Boatswain's Mate talking about how BMs are "literally the Navy."

It was me I started that. I was a young and inexperienced 1st Lt. I was just trying to motivate my sailors.

# ? Feb 11, 2015 03:08

PneumonicBook: Sep 26, 2007; Do you like our owl?; Ultra Carp

Laranzu posted:

Yeah, that's not something to be proud of. Instead of making everything worse for yourself, your sailors, your peers and you ships, there needs to be a line where SWOs say its unhealthy and they can't assume more duties or missions. Maybe then there would be some unfucking of funding, manning and platforms.

The current SWO culture as evidenced above is toxic. You shouldn't be proud of getting less sleep than the next guy. You shouldn't be proud of almost driving yourself to a breakdown. You shouldn't be proud of constantly being yelled at/ yelling at juniors. The FITREP shouldn't be padded by beating the souls out of the people below you to accomplish some bullshit that doesn't really have to be done RIGHT NOW. When a SWO gets promoted to upper leadership from this environment, they perpetuate it just because its the way it has always been. The other ones get out.

You should be proud of finding ways to streamline poo poo so everyone can get their off time as necessary. If this isn't possible, poo poo is broken.

For real, the now now now culture and the fact no one will tell an 0-5 or above "No", or "That's a bad idea and here's why" are enormous problems.

Or maybe people do tell them that but then they yell and stomp their feet like a child and still get there way.

# ? Feb 11, 2015 03:16

Stultus Maximus: Dec 21, 2009; USPOL May

PneumonicBook posted:

For real, the now now now culture and the fact no one will tell an 0-5 or above "No", or "That's a bad idea and here's why" are enormous problems.

Or maybe people do tell them that but then they yell and stomp their feet like a child and still get there way.

Or literally say "a JO never says no to a commander"

# ? Feb 11, 2015 03:18

Fart Sandwiches: Apr 4, 2006; i never asked for this

Applewhite posted:

It was me I started that. I was a young and inexperienced 1st Lt. I was just trying to motivate my sailors.

I'm just gonna keep on referring to BMs as bowel movements and it makes all these posts funner.

# ? Feb 11, 2015 03:18

ded: Oct 27, 2005; Kooler than Jesus

the navy runs on bms

# ? Feb 11, 2015 03:24

Sir Lucius: Aug 3, 2003

Lack of sleep excessive caffeine to the point of it being abusive isn't healthy.

# ? Feb 11, 2015 03:24

vulturesrow: Sep 25, 2011; _{Always gotta pay it forward.}

ded posted:

the navy runs on bms

The Navy literally is bms

# ? Feb 11, 2015 03:34

buttplug: Aug 28, 2004

Applewhite posted:

Talk to me when you are in 3 sections and just came off the 2-7 and are expected to do the 22-02 the next night and there's a GQ all day so God loving forbid you be in your rack for any reasonable amount of time. Maybe if you skip dinner you can catch a couple hours.

Pretty much describes my time as a SWO perfectly. Don't forget to throw in some female JO crying (literally) to CSO about being on her ~period~ and standing the mid AND the rev, and then rolling into an UNREP aaaand by the way CSO put you on the watchbill for that, too.

PneumonicBook posted:

Or maybe people do tell them that but then they yell and stomp their feet like a child and still get their way.

This actually happens A LOT at the O6/flag levels. Really, seriously. *Everything* at that point is just a loving exception to policy with the right signature on it.

# ? Feb 11, 2015 03:38

Analogical: May 20, 2013; EEOD? Why not, I could use a break from work

Suddenly, 8 9ARB CTI2s I know are getting surface orders. CC emails me to say it's time to get another look. I can only imagine we're sweeping p-ways out there. One guy is a shipboard career counselor (???) we don't know anything about the navy someone help us, I've heard SWOs are like animals and the ships are made out of BMs

# ? Feb 11, 2015 03:38

buttplug: Aug 28, 2004

Analogical posted:

Suddenly, 8 9ARB CTI2s I know are getting surface orders. CC emails me to say it's time to get another look. I can only imagine we're sweeping p-ways out there. One guy is a shipboard career counselor (???) we don't know anything about the navy someone help us, I've heard SWOs are like animals and the ships are made out of BMs

Wouldn't you be pulling DIRSUP in SSES?

# ? Feb 11, 2015 03:41

Analogical: May 20, 2013; EEOD? Why not, I could use a break from work

buttplug posted:

Wouldn't you be pulling DIRSUP in SSES?

Yeah, except two of them who aren't searchable online at work anymore at all. They're the ones that are seemingly going to be working out-of-rate, not sure how that worked, I just heard the initial whining today on facebook because a few of them were trying to homestead.

# ? Feb 11, 2015 03:45