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punk rebel ecks posted:So I'm three hours into Xenoblade and it is probably one of the best RPGs ever made so far. I wanna hear your opinion in ten hours. I mean, it's pretty great, but sometimes the first 3 hours don't really reflect the whole thing(IE:Ni No Kuni). Also lots of people seem to just really burn out after a while for some reason. I guess the time investment required is a bit too much? Infinity Gaia posted:It... does? I didn't even know a sequel to that thing EXISTED. I didn't really like, HATE, Guided Fate Paradox, it was just kinda mediocre, so I'm willing to give the sequel a try, but.. Infinity Gaia posted:Wow, that is literally negative amounts of marketing. What the gently caress is NISA's plan with these games, anyways? Forest Thief Pud posted:Pray that their built-in fanbase from Disgaea buys all of the NIS game along with whatever otaku-bait games with low production values they end up grabbing.
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HGH posted:I wanna hear your opinion in ten hours. Xenoblade's one of those games where "I'm 3/6/9 hours in", is fundamentally meaningless because it's easy to blow that much time in the first few zones on sidequests (or hell, even just on Colony 9's). The burnout's probably from making the rookie mistake of trying to do them all before moving on, like you would in an MMO.
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Feb 11, 2015 09:10
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Xenoblade's one of those games where "I'm 3/6/9 hours in", is fundamentally meaningless because it's easy to blow that much time in the first few zones on sidequests (or hell, even just on Colony 9's). The burnout's probably from making the rookie mistake of trying to do them all before moving on, like you would in an MMO. Yeah basically. My first 3 hours were in Colony 9 doing all the sidequests before I said gently caress it and moved on.
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Feb 11, 2015 09:18
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Xenoblade's one of those games where "I'm 3/6/9 hours in", is fundamentally meaningless because it's easy to blow that much time in the first few zones on sidequests (or hell, even just on Colony 9's). The burnout's probably from making the rookie mistake of trying to do them all before moving on, like you would in an MMO. That was my problem, and then you feel like you've out-level'd the content you encounter
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Feb 11, 2015 09:35
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HGH posted:Basically. They're so desperate right now that they're rehashing 5 year old games that already had improved rereleases into collections just because they still own the licenses to them. I'm cautiously optimistic for The Awakened Fate Ultimatum, but mostly I just wanted to type that name out because they somehow managed to top The Guided Fate Paradox.
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Feb 11, 2015 09:57
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HGH posted:I wanna hear your opinion in ten hours. Game would have benefited enormously from eliminating the level scaling. One of the absolute most boneheaded design decisions for a single player RPG.
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Feb 11, 2015 10:00
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DACK FAYDEN posted:Isn't Disgaea a license to print money? How can they be doing poorly? "License to print money" is an unusual thing to say about a franchise that averages less in its lifetime than maybe 2 iterations of Monster Hunter, Yokai Watch, or Pokemon.
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Feb 11, 2015 10:07
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I burned out from Xenoblade when I was too underleveled to beat a late game boss. I tried distracting myself by collecting all the blue orb items in the snow zone but one was really rare (or I was just unlucky) and that zone was huge and white and boring and depressing, I thought. And I didn't like using a wiki to find out when NPCs were active. I feel like the game would have benefited from the ability to run faster and a way to more easily navigate the NPC relationship menu, like a search function. I must be the only person who isn't excited at all about the next game's claim of being 5x larger. Running around for hours just gives me WoW PTSD. I hope the robot you have is like a mount or you can fly or something.
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Feb 11, 2015 15:53
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Fun Times! posted:I burned out from Xenoblade when I was too underleveled to beat a late game boss. I tried distracting myself by collecting all the blue orb items in the snow zone but one was really rare (or I was just unlucky) and that zone was huge and white and boring and depressing, I thought. And I didn't like using a wiki to find out when NPCs were active. From the looks of it, Xenoblade-X has a hex-based fast-travel system to replace Xenoblade's staggered monument locations. Plus the mechs can indeed fly - They have three states of Car/Robot/Flying Robot and can transition between them seemlessly (I'm guessing it's a second "travel" state that can just switch between Car and Flying with a single jump)
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Feb 11, 2015 15:57
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I enjoyed my time with Xenoblade but the allure of cheating with Ocarina was just too great so I wound up using ridiculous Mega Heat gems super early and opened up all of the skill trees so I could just focus on exploring and fighting.
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Feb 11, 2015 15:59
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Tae posted:"License to print money" is an unusual thing to say about a franchise that averages less in its lifetime than maybe 2 iterations of Monster Hunter, Yokai Watch, or Pokemon. ...also, total Baader-Meinhof on Yokai Watch. Seriously, this is the third time this week and I'd never heard of it before. What is it, exactly, and why is it enormous in Japan?
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Feb 11, 2015 16:53
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DACK FAYDEN posted:It's not a lot of money, but it sure is a consistent stream, and it's not like the games themselves even require that much effort given the target fanbase. Pokemon. Like, literally pokemon with slightly different mechanics. Unlike other pokemon clones (Fossil Fighters, etc) this one managed to get super popular and competes with new pokemon releases in sales. Plus its got all the marketing poo poo like a TV show and tons of merch.
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Feb 11, 2015 16:56
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Level 40 naked party in Xenoblade against a level 98.
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Feb 11, 2015 17:03
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HGH posted:What even was that game anyway? All I remember was people complaining about too much plot (how does that even happen in an RPG?) compared to ZHP. Imagine ZHP but without any of the good humor, and also every single loving floor had you watch a 10-15min cutscene. It broke up the flow to a ridiculous degree
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Feb 11, 2015 17:08
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Ibram Gaunt posted:Imagine ZHP but without any of the good humor, and also every single loving floor had you watch a 10-15min cutscene. It broke up the flow to a ridiculous degree Yeah, that's the thing. ZHP had a cutscene maybe every couple of floors. GFP has one literally every single floor. And they are boring and unfunny and repetitive and tedious and made me want to jab a knife in my eye. Also they went more all-in on the Disgaea over the Roguelike for the worse.
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Feb 11, 2015 17:11
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Didn't NIS recently say they were gonna go bankrupt if Disgaea 5 didn't do well?
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Feb 11, 2015 17:12
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That was a joke apparently. I think?
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Feb 11, 2015 17:13
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Sakurazuka posted:Didn't NIS recently say they were gonna go bankrupt if Disgaea 5 didn't do well? They said after the fact they were 'joking' but it's probably a joke with a ring of truth to it. NIS's non-Disgaea games have all bombed and Disgaea's sales numbers have gotten worse while production budgets have gotten higher. They're probably either going to get absorbed or go all-in on making Panty Molestation Simulator 7: Otaku Money Feeds Our Children.
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Feb 11, 2015 17:14
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Weird that making the same loving Disgaea game over and over again hasn't worked out for them.
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Feb 11, 2015 17:20
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I enjoyed Xenoblade Chronicles a lot, it's one of the better RPGs I've played in a long time. I didn't finish it tho. I think it's because the game is quite long and there is a TON of side content to do, also the leveling ratio is kind of funky. You level decently quickly if you're at or below the level of the enemies, beyond that you basically don't level at all. So you can grind forever on side quests and stuff, if you do you'll be slightly over leveled in the next area, rinse and repeat. I spent too much time doing side content and felt myself burning out around the 100 hour mark, so I tried to just power through the rest of the game, but quickly enemies started kicking my rear end and I was back to having to grind at least a bit in each section in order to be able to progress, and eventually I just ran out of interest in the game and stopped. It's too bad too, I should at least look up the rest of the game in a lets play some time so I can see how it ended. I enjoyed what I played of The Last Story as well even tho the story it's self is pretty trite. A full cast of amusing adult characters and some novel game play took me quite a ways. Oh also it's super linear, town scene, action scene, story scene, action scene, I'm not sure if you ever have the freedom to do anything other than explore town and then do the next mission. Still worth having played tho.
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Feb 11, 2015 17:29
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evilskillit posted:I enjoyed what I played of The Last Story as well even tho the story it's self is pretty trite. A full cast of amusing adult characters and some novel game play took me quite a ways. Oh also it's super linear, town scene, action scene, story scene, action scene, I'm not sure if you ever have the freedom to do anything other than explore town and then do the next mission. Still worth having played tho. To be fair, there's a few side-story chapters to hunt through the city for. You'll know when one's available when the game skips a chapter number. It is very linear otherwise though, but at 30 hours at most it doesn't really push its luck. It's also worth going back and playing Xenoblade Chronicles to the end, because it is worth slogging it to get there  .
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Feb 11, 2015 17:37
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Doesn't Dolphin pretty much play Xenoblade perfectly at this point? I wouldn't be surprised if there's a special Dolphin build just for Xenoblade if there's an HD texture pack and everything.
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Feb 11, 2015 17:40
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NIS needs to make more games like Soul Nomad. Also the only game that didn't get a port.
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Feb 11, 2015 17:41
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ImpAtom posted:They said after the fact they were 'joking' but it's probably a joke with a ring of truth to it. NIS's non-Disgaea games have all bombed and Disgaea's sales numbers have gotten worse while production budgets have gotten higher. I'm pretty sure the Disgaea 5 director clarified that and said he would lose his job if the game bombed, not that NIS would be in trouble.
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Everyone plays Xenoblade wrong. You do exactly zero of the side content except maybe keep an eye out for gems, and when a boss seems to be impenetrable, you should only have to gain one more level, tinker with arts/gems a bit. Then retry. I almost always died to each boss once, I would say half the time I grinded out 1 level party-wide then won on a few more retries, the other half the time i just retried till I won. I think people just are just assuming they're too weak if they wipe against the boss too easily. I'm very close to the end and I've not intentionally done any of the MMO stuff, and Its a greater game this way. The boss fights have been really fun to get through. That said, I hope the MMO stuff is fun in X, because I'd like it to pull me into that stuff where the original Xenoblade made it seem like a waste of time and basically made you play a crappier game.
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Feb 11, 2015 17:43
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Neddy Seagoon posted:To be fair, there's a few side-story chapters to hunt through the city for. You'll know when one's available when the game skips a chapter number. It is very linear otherwise though, but at 30 hours at most it doesn't really push its luck. It's also worth going back and playing Xenoblade Chronicles to the end, because it is worth slogging it to get there If I still have my Dolphin saves for it I'll put it on my to-play more list. But there's like 5 or 6 games on there one of which is still Dark Souls 2, because 
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Rascyc posted:Doesn't Dolphin pretty much play Xenoblade perfectly at this point? I wouldn't be surprised if there's a special Dolphin build just for Xenoblade if there's an HD texture pack and everything. Dolphin is evolving so rapidly lately that every "special build" is gonna be outdated within weeks or even days. You're better off just grabbing the automated build every so often.
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Feb 11, 2015 17:56
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If you want to have challenging battles in Xenoblade and still do sidequests, then you ignore all quests with experience as a reward until you've advanced an area or two past where you get the quest. For example, don't do Colony 9 quests until you're finished with the Bionis Leg, or at least a good chunk of the way through it. By that point the experience gains from those quests are too small to make any meaningful difference.
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Zeuhl posted:Everyone plays Xenoblade wrong. The sidequest stuff is completely optional and only necessary if you're a completionist sperglord, which is great IMO. Also Xenoblade + HD textures is basically a PC game now so
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I will say that so far Xenoblade is the most "next-gen" feeling JRPG I've played so far. Odd being that it is on the Wii.Neddy Seagoon posted:Xenoblade's one of those games where "I'm 3/6/9 hours in", is fundamentally meaningless because it's easy to blow that much time in the first few zones on sidequests (or hell, even just on Colony 9's). The burnout's probably from making the rookie mistake of trying to do them all before moving on, like you would in an MMO. Probably means a lot of re-playability. 
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Feb 11, 2015 18:20
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ImpAtom posted:They said after the fact they were 'joking' but it's probably a joke with a ring of truth to it. NIS's non-Disgaea games have all bombed and Disgaea's sales numbers have gotten worse while production budgets have gotten higher. Erebus posted:Weird that making the same loving Disgaea game over and over again hasn't worked out for them.
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Feb 11, 2015 18:23
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There's nothing in Xenoblade like Final Fantasy where you go "I'll just spend 5 minutes in town doing a bit of prep and then the next boss is weak to thunder so I will win with no effort, but I'll buy 99 Phoenix Downs too just in case" In Xenoblade, you don't have the option to prep for a boss in such an obvious and easy manner. I liked having no crutches to lean on in a JRPG, its exciting! The one thing I forgot to do which may have made the game a lot harder was level up Monado Arts. I only realized I could level them up after I did the boss fight where you save Melia while she's on her trial, and that woman screams at you a lot (I'm walkin' around pretty good!)
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Erebus posted:Weird that making the same loving Disgaea game over and over again hasn't worked out for them. They made a ton of other games in between the Disgaeas that not nearly as many of their fans seemed to like, so this isn't really fair.
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Tired Moritz posted:NIS needs to make more games like Soul Nomad. Also the only game that didn't get a port. As nice as it would be to have a spiritual sequel to either Phantom Brave or Soul Nomad, it's just never going to happen, since I don't think either of those games sold particularly well.
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Last Celebration posted:They made a ton of other games in between the Disgaeas that not nearly as many of their fans seemed to like, so this isn't really fair. If anything, they're desperately trying to make other games, but making the same one over and over again is the only thing that feeds their children.
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Clarste posted:If anything, they're desperately trying to make other games, but making the same one over and over again is the only thing that feeds their children. Pretty much. Even ZHP, which they've been doing sorta-sequels to, was rejected for not being "Disgaea enough" which is why the sequels are way more disgaea.
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Feb 11, 2015 18:53
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Xenoblade also does the thing that makes me hate JRPGs, which is hiding character skill trees among the hundreds of side quests. If I didn't consult the wiki I never would have found most of them since they are rewards that come at the end of various quest chains. That is to say though that I do not hate Xenoblade, it is a good game.
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I hate Xenoblade though! Well, I guess I was just another person who burnt out on it. Too many sidequests made me stop caring about what was going, and then I just stopped playing. Zeuhl posted:There's nothing in Xenoblade like Final Fantasy where you go "I'll just spend 5 minutes in town doing a bit of prep and then the next boss is weak to thunder so I will win with no effort, but I'll buy 99 Phoenix Downs too just in case" If your standard is "harder than a Final Fantasy game" then I think you have many options available nowadays.
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the thing i didn't like about xenoblade was that i didn't do any of the sidequests which was fine for most of the game, but near the end the level curve of bosses outscales exp gain and i was so underleveled against some bosses that I couldn't hit with any of my attacks without grinding first because of the really dumb penalty applied if there's a gap in levels i know there's poo poo you can do with gems to counteract that but I shouldn't need to build my characters in a specific way to get around an entirely arbitrary stat penalty and the whole gem creation system was dumb anyway
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Last Celebration posted:They made a ton of other games in between the Disgaeas that not nearly as many of their fans seemed to like, so this isn't really fair. That's true, but I'm just saying that "sales numbers for Disgaea are falling" isn't surprising when Disgaea is always the same. I'm happy to blame terrible otakus for the problem as much as blaming NIS.
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