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If I were her spirit she'd be in the spirit's world. Maybe she is and it's all wooden fences. That might be why the sky went purple. Also drat look at the size of that giant two-headed dinosaur in the background. (EDIT: Oh, it's the guy that was cruising around in the lake here.) I wonder if it ever just crushes innocent spectrals as it wanders around. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 08:47 on Feb 11, 2015 |
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drat I hate when that happens. Friggin squeakdogs
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Fecha posted:On another note, I feel like a page hasn't been completed on time for quite awhile now. I hope Zack isn't burning out with this work schedule. Nah, I recall in one of his tumblrs he showed he was working on a homestuck comic (50 pages) I think so more like he just got a bit too much on his plate right now.
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He also replied on Twitter that he did that months ago, so it has nothing to do with these delays. A few days ago he said it was because he was taking on some freelance work to pay bills, and that was the reason.quote:https://twitter.com/paranaturalzack/status/564654226983649280 quote:https://twitter.com/paranaturalzack/status/564665132903858176 IUG fucked around with this message at 16:25 on Feb 11, 2015 |
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Webcomics like this operate at a geologic pace in any event, so the odd delay doesn't really bother me, since I'm gonna be waiting like half a decade for a few months worth of comic material anyway.
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Regy Rusty posted:drat I hate when that happens. Friggin squeakdogs He probably ate a diamond too.
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Prison Warden posted:Webcomics like this operate at a geologic pace in any event, so the odd delay doesn't really bother me, since I'm gonna be waiting like half a decade for a few months worth of comic material anyway. Seems to be moving along at a pretty steady clip to me.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:Seems to be moving along at a pretty steady clip to me. We've progressed approximately four days in-comic in the last two years.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:Seems to be moving along at a pretty steady clip to me. Since May 2011, looking at it, we've had about 316 pages of content, which at normal comic length, is just over 13 issues, or just over a year. If we account for it as a WSJ manga, since Paranatural is very anime, accounting for the extras in each volume, you're probably talking about two volumes by the end of Chapter 4, while these comics tend to put out ~3 volumes a year, but that's not really fair since Paranatural has been full colour most of its life. Like, I know he's not a professional and we're not gonna get a professional level of work output and thats fine, I don't have a problem with it. And read as an archive, the story pacing works well, but webcomics by and large taking loving forever to go anywhere. Oxxidation posted:We've progressed approximately four days in-comic in the last two years. This too.
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Oxxidation posted:We've progressed approximately four days in-comic in the last two years. They've been very eventful days.
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Is it me, or does that dog look like it's sagging a bit? It seems weird that a dog that can match the pace of anyone trying to run away from it, and persistently continue to do so, can be like that and yet look so droopy.
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Oxxidation posted:We've progressed approximately four days in-comic in the last two years. Lackadaisy Cats is probably the only slower comic out there for this metric. I feel like up to when they had a "summer passes" the entire comic was like one day.
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pik_d posted:Lackadaisy Cats is probably the only slower comic out there for this metric. I feel like up to when they had a "summer passes" the entire comic was like one day.
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Ofaloaf posted:Is it me, or does that dog look like it's sagging a bit? It seems weird that a dog that can match the pace of anyone trying to run away from it, and persistently continue to do so, can be like that and yet look so droopy. It squeaks from its feet with each step. I don't know if it's like squeaky-toy-squeaks, or SpongeBob-Squarepants-shoes-squeaks, but something ain't right.
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Poison Mushroom posted:Ask me about OOTS. OOTS has averaged around 80 pages a year for the last twelve years, Paranatural's close with something like 70. OOTS actually represents something of a best case scenario for a comic like this, where an author with an epic-in-scope story to tell sticks with it for over a decade and overcomes the slow output of the webcomic format through sheer patience. We'd be lucky if Zack has the same determination and sticks with the comic another ten years to tell it in full.
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Dolash posted:OOTS has averaged around 80 pages a year for the last twelve years, Paranatural's close with something like 70. OOTS actually represents something of a best case scenario for a comic like this, where an author with an epic-in-scope story to tell sticks with it for over a decade and overcomes the slow output of the webcomic format through sheer patience. We'd be lucky if Zack has the same determination and sticks with the comic another ten years to tell it in full. How soon we forget about the "epic" Dominic Deegan.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:How soon we forget about the "epic" Dominic Deegan.
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Poison Mushroom posted:Ask me about OOTS. Hasn't it been at least a year in-comic over the last 12 years?
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Dolash posted:OOTS has averaged around 80 pages a year for the last twelve years, Paranatural's close with something like 70. OOTS actually represents something of a best case scenario for a comic like this, where an author with an epic-in-scope story to tell sticks with it for over a decade and overcomes the slow output of the webcomic format through sheer patience. We'd be lucky if Zack has the same determination and sticks with the comic another ten years to tell it in full. I'd say schlock is a better comparison, though partly that's because Howard's update schedule is super reliable.
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Homestuck took two and a half years to tell the story of one day. Pacing isn't about the time that passes in-universe, though. A day in Paranatural is has more story to tell than a month in, say, Questionable Content.
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Webcomics suck when you find out about them before they're finished and are amazing when you find them after they're completed.
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RareAcumen posted:Webcomics suck when you find out about them before they're finished and are amazing when you find them after they're completed. Counterpoint: It Hurts!!
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Prison Warden posted:Since May 2011, looking at it, we've had about 316 pages of content, which at normal comic length, is just over 13 issues, or just over a year. I guess I was thinking relative to other 'webcomics like this', where it's normal to have a mob of fans who get really really snitty if you point out the author's trying for Tolkeinesque epic worldbuilding and uploading approximately one page every six months, and three updates a week where the plot seems to actually advance sometimes is unheard-of. Yeah, relative to mainstream professional comics it's pretty slow.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:I guess I was thinking relative to other 'webcomics like this', where it's normal to have a mob of fans who get really really snitty if you point out the author's trying for Tolkeinesque epic worldbuilding and uploading approximately one page every six months, and three updates a week where the plot seems to actually advance sometimes is unheard-of.  But yeah, this sort of thing is endemic to webcomics as a whole. It's a bad symptom of the dripfeed way they're produced and released. It makes me wonder why people don't take a cue from paperback comics and throw up a chapter at a time. There must be good reasons for it but I can't think of any. What helps here is, Paranatural does the one thing I personally need a slow webcomic to do: it gives you something interesting to see/read every page. Issac can brood in that house for the next 20 years for all I care if we still get funny dialogue and amazing art every update. Even then I'd argue Paranatural is moving it's plot along better than many of it's contemporaries. 'Fastest of the slowest' isn't a great accomplishment, but it's something.
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Maduo posted:But yeah, this sort of thing is endemic to webcomics as a whole. It's a bad symptom of the dripfeed way they're produced and released. It makes me wonder why people don't take a cue from paperback comics and throw up a chapter at a time. There must be good reasons for it but I can't think of any. Variable Interval Intermittent Reinforcement. When the pages that reward a web reader go up in an unpredictable matter, people visit the page more often per update than they would if they knew exactly when the update would go up. Then, because humans are too smart to ignore their own behavior, cognitive dissonance kicks in when they notice they're going to that website a lot for very few updates. Because we don't like being in a state of cognitive dissonance, we reconcile the two facts by saying to ourselves, because we visit the page so much to read the comic, it must be fantastic. Bing bang boom, people who regularly read a sporadically updating webcomic become obsessive fans. This is why the furor of Homestuck died down considerably once its update schedule changed to, "three times a week, at midnight," from, "individual pages posted randomly at all times of day and night." Also, web comic artists are mostly doing their comic out of love. It's hard not to share your exciting pet project with the fans of that project.
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That logic falls apart if there's an RSS feed though. Which is on all the web comics I read, save one (which is on Tumblr, so I just update that app like once a day).
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Not everyone uses an RSS feed.
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The furor of Homestuck died down considerably because of a year-long hiatus, not a revised update schedule. Uneven updates are just going to make people get bored and leave, with only the most nutso fans remaining.
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dpbjinc posted:Counterpoint: It Hurts!! I don't understand.
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Aside from that weird "randomness" theory, more frequent updates help to engage and retain readers. If you post three pages a week, every week, your comic is on the minds of its fans more often and they're less likely to forget to check in for the next update. If you post one chapter every-other-month, you'll get less ad revenue, you'll get a few people dropping out because they forgot about the comic, and you'll have less constant fodder for discussion on forum threads like these.
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Ditocoaf posted:Aside from that weird "randomness" theory, more frequent updates help to engage and retain readers. If you post three pages a week, every week, your comic is on the minds of its fans more often and they're less likely to forget to check in for the next update. If you post one chapter every-other-month, you'll get less ad revenue, you'll get a few people dropping out because they forgot about the comic, and you'll have less constant fodder for discussion on forum threads like these. It's honestly not a weird theory, it's just basic behavioral psychology. If something good happens after you do something (like visit a website) frequently but irregularly, you'll repeat that action more often than if the same thing happened just as frequently but at regular intervals, because you can't predict when the next one will be so you don't know when to expect the reward. It's the same reason why slot machines or the like are so addictive. Mystic Mongol is wrong about it being because of staving off cognitive dissonance, though; it happens with all animal species, not just humans, there's no degree of self-awareness needed. Though Oxxidation's right, this doesn't apply to Homestuck falling in popularity; that's almost definitely because of the year off. And in your example you're right, but this is more talking about the difference between "three times a week MWF" and "on average three times a week, but with no idea when exactly the next update will be posted". When the average number of updates is the same but the day and time that each new one comes out is random. If some webcomic went from the former to the latter without any change in quality, it would almost certainly increase in total page hits. (And also most webcomickers probably don't use this as reasoning behind irregular update schedules, it just happens to be an effect of them.) Idran fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Feb 12, 2015 |
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Psych major here (who's not using his degree), randomized rewards are the ones that do cause people to repeat a behavior the most. This is part of the reason why casinos can do so well. There's no logic to when your behavior will have payout, so you keep doing it.
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There's a seeming buttload of internet comics I really like that do the big dumps all at once, months apart thing, I just can't name too many of them because after like a month of no updates I've completely forgotten your thing even exists, let alone what was happening in it, and will only ever find it again if I happen across a link from somewhere else mentioning it updated. They're also indistinguishable from the serials that regularly updated until they went on eternal hiatus without notice.
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I've sometimes wondered if a webcomic could succeed where the author makes the site and dumps a whole finished series all at once - as though they'd been writing pages for a serial comic for years and only put it up when it was done. I imagine it'd be hard to get a forum going and go off to conventions and the like if people just burn through your comic over the course of a week, think it's great, and then forget about it. I guess it might be a good way to pick up some "watchers" and get your name out there for a new project though, if people know there's something new to anticipate on the horizon after they finish your magnum opus.
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There are some webcomics I've seen that do more of a hybrid system, where they'll send out a notice when they've finished a new chapter, but still update daily. Personally, I refuse to read some webcomics until there's a bunch of new pages to go through, like Ava's Demon or Unsounded or Vattu. Paranatural always has enough going on in every page to keep current on though. Something that updated one chapter at a time would be great to follow, especially if you rely on an RSS feed, but it might not work to make ad money pay for the site, and I have no idea whether Patreon would match up to it at all. Also the artist would be able to think more long-term instead of always chasing short-term deadlines. I feel like a lot of artists get stuck in a rut after a while , and they have no idea where to go with their comic, but they keep on going because of inertia of keeping up with updating every day.
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update It apparently took Spender awhile to figure out he could try putting the key in the lock(et). There's pretty much no way Issac doesn't steal that key, right? Also Spender's expression in panel 5 is great. The Dog Lover cup is good too. sirtommygunn fucked around with this message at 14:23 on Feb 14, 2015 |
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The Dog Lover mug is just icing on the cake of Spender Is An Awful Teacher.
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sirtommygunn posted:
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Jetamo posted:Panel 6 is even better  
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