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Lurdiak posted:That's right up there with tactile telekinesis. And almost certainly from the same source, as "let's make Superman's powers make sense" was kind of a thing there for a little while before everyone realized it was dumb.
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Irredeemable is stupid as hell, and only worthwhile for the spin off it created.
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Cornwind Evil posted:Irredeemable is stupid as hell, and only worthwhile for the spin off it created.
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Poison Mushroom posted:Doesn't Incorruptible have a character named Jailbait, though? I mean, yeah, invincibility powered by sleep deprivation is cool, but really? She was also actual jailbait.
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Feb 11, 2015 05:07
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Lurdiak posted:She was also actual jailbait.
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Feb 11, 2015 05:08
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The ex-villain main character is like "No I can't gently caress you anymore I'm a good guy now".
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Feb 11, 2015 05:09
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Lurdiak posted:The ex-villain main character is like "No I can't gently caress you anymore I'm a good guy now".  This is why we can't have nice things.
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Feb 11, 2015 05:16
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Feb 11, 2015 05:17
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Like the first 12 issues of Irredeemable and most of Incorruptible are really good comics. That won't stop me from poking at the lovely bits tho.
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Feb 11, 2015 05:30
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Lurdiak posted:Like the first 12 issues of Irredeemable and most of Incorruptible are really good comics. That won't stop me from poking at the lovely bits tho. The thing that bugs me about Irredeemable is that it plays the same tiresome card that always crops up; if someone who is heroic is pushed to a change in morality, they will immediately become a remorseless psychopath who will do the absolutely worst things possible like murder pregnant women and sink countries...just because. I get the allegory of Lucifer and the whole idea of 'if an angel has gone bad, then they have gone worse than virtually anything else', but eventually it gets tiresome. The idea of a thug who engages in very bad behavior finding he has a line and suffering the double shock of realizing that and seeing his old heroic enemy cross it so hard he doubles over it and having an epiphany and deciding to try and not be bad any more just strikes me as more interesting and less lazy.
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Feb 11, 2015 06:52
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Parahexavoctal posted:I'm reminded of the scene from Waid's Irredeemable, where young Plutonian is sitting in school, and his super-hearing picks up the sound of his foster mother about to commit suicide three miles away. And he rushes out at super-speed, faster than a speeding bullet... I feel like Mark Waid owes me an apology.
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Cornwind Evil posted:The thing that bugs me about Irredeemable is that it plays the same tiresome card that always crops up; if someone who is heroic is pushed to a change in morality, they will immediately become a remorseless psychopath who will do the absolutely worst things possible like murder pregnant women and sink countries...just because. I get the allegory of Lucifer and the whole idea of 'if an angel has gone bad, then they have gone worse than virtually anything else', but eventually it gets tiresome. The idea of a thug who engages in very bad behavior finding he has a line and suffering the double shock of realizing that and seeing his old heroic enemy cross it so hard he doubles over it and having an epiphany and deciding to try and not be bad any more just strikes me as more interesting and less lazy. Oh, the series gives him plenty of reasons for why he's so goddamn insane as it goes along. Too many, in fact, it kind of takes away from the initial premise that the immense responsibility and power just got to him over time. He was trying to be Superman while just being normal deep down, simply because he felt he had to be that way. It's also less about "a good guy is now a super evil guy" and more "a guy who hits a really bad spot and wishes the world would drown in fire actually has the ability to drown the world in fire and no one knows how to stop him" and the effect that has on the world, at least at first. Then the story gets really dumb and runs in circles and has the most ridiculous ending I've seen in ages.
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If you had the patience to keep on after the parademon sniper plan plot twist you're a better man than I
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Tremendous Taste posted:If you had the patience to keep on after the parademon sniper plan plot twist you're a better man than I Yeah that was very clearly the story's natural end point, but for some reason it just kept loving going.
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Feb 11, 2015 19:02
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hiddenriverninja posted:Jeez, that's depressing. IRREDEEMABLE SPOILERS INBOUND Plutonian, the Superman analogue, finds out that he isn't an actual person or alien, but a probe-program that n-th dimensional aliens launched to catalogue Earth... only the probe comes across a really depressed mother who lost her son and decides to incarnate as a new child to placate the mother. Problem is the mother lost the original child when her postpartum depression caused her to murder the kid. . . So she's stuck with an invincible superbaby that seemingly taunts her attempts to dispose of it/serves as a reminder that she's a terrible broken person. Dude never had a chance for a normal life. But yeah, the concept of "Superman, but everyone is a bag of dicks and takes him for granted" was pretty fun while it lasted.
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Feb 11, 2015 19:11
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Lurdiak posted:Yeah that was very clearly the story's natural end point, but for some reason it just kept loving going. And then it didn't stopped after its second natural ending. And then it didn't stop after its third. And then I stopped reading.
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Feb 11, 2015 19:14
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Irredeemable was a good 12-16 issue story told over 37 issues.
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Feb 11, 2015 19:25
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By the way, how did it end? I stopped after they brought him back from the heat death of the universe.
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e X posted:By the way, how did it end? I stopped after they brought him back from the heat death of the universe. Oh my god, no one answer this. Just post the pages. Words can't do it justice.
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Feb 11, 2015 19:38
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It's kinda amazing how big of a middle finger to Superhero comics Irredeemable is(behind only Wanted and The Boys) when Mark Waid is normally a pretty big superhero fanboy as far as I can tell, but then again it's almost impossible to write a pisstake on Superheroes without coming off like a douchebag(Watchmen, Miracleman, Supergod, and certain aspects of 90's era Valiant are the only straight examples where this works as far as I'm aware of), probably cause it just almost always comes off as too mean spirited and bleak to have any value left to it
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drrockso20 posted:It's kinda amazing how big of a middle finger to Superhero comics Irredeemable is(behind only Wanted and The Boys) when Mark Waid is normally a pretty big superhero fanboy as far as I can tell, but then again it's almost impossible to write a pisstake on Superheroes without coming off like a douchebag(Watchmen, Miracleman, Supergod, and certain aspects of 90's era Valiant are the only straight examples where this works as far as I'm aware of), probably cause it just almost always comes off as too mean spirited and bleak to have any value left to it This is why Astro City is so amazing. Instead of being all "superheroes are stupid and here is a whole thesis story why" it actually explores the kind of optimism and wonder it would be like to live in a world of superheroes.
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FilthyImp posted:What's really depressing is Man they went way overboard with his backstory, I only read a few issues and I never had a point where I thought "Man there's got to be more to this guy snapping". His backstory got so loving lovely that you're honestly left wondering that this guy didn't become a genocidal maniac from the word go instead of just being slowly ground down by his lovely life into snapping. You know how Superman said he'd go crazy if he had to be Superman all the time and couldn't be Clark anymore, since he likes...life so much, I guess. Well, Plutonian's Clark identity (forgot his name) didn't have parents as good as the Kents and his life wasn't as good. That ought to have been enough. You didn't have to crank it up any higher than 'ultimate power corrupts, especially if everyone takes you for granted or is kind of a douche'. I liked Incorruptible though. The whole bit where Max explains "Yeah I'm a criminal douchebag but even the bad guys just assumed if the whole planet was at risk, Plutonian would rescue us all, bad guys included. And now look at this poo poo. Someone's got to step in and be the Big Good." was pretty reasonable in an odd way. Again though, I fell behind and haven't read it all. Psykmoe fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Feb 11, 2015 |
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drrockso20 posted:it's almost impossible to write a pisstake on Superheroes without coming off like a douchebag(Watchmen, Miracleman, Supergod, and certain aspects of 90's era Valiant are the only straight examples where this works as far as I'm aware of), probably cause it just almost always comes off as too mean spirited and bleak to have any value left to it The main reason it bugs me is it seems to be based on a fundamental error in psychological understanding, a classic X=Y, Y=Z, ergo X=Z issue. 1) It is a general belief and observed behavior that power corrupts. 2) It is also observed that people can be capable of the most monstrous, inhuman, terrible acts. 3) Ergo anyone corrupted by power (or an equivalent aspect, like pain and suffering, or complete freedom) will automatically attempt the most terrible acts. You saw this most recently in The Purge, which drove me nuts in a non-serious way because it operated under the idea of 'some humans are monsters, every human has the capacity to be a monster, ergo if given absolute freedom virtually everyone will attempt monstrous acts'. I don't want to keep derailing the thread with armchair psychology, but it strikes me that even if a superman type has a traumatic upbringing, and has issues that are exacerbated by the world s/he lives in, their 'snapping' will not automatically default to 'new flavor of atrocity a day' (especially if they actually did TRY to be a good guy to start, and make a genuine effort at it), which is what the majority of comic writers seem to think (see also: Injustice Superman, which bugs me for the same rough reasons).
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The Purge 2 counters that by having government agents participate in the purge because not enough regular people were and hinting that it's always been that way. I only know because I watched the purge 2 after being told it was a good Punisher movie.
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Psykmoe posted:Man they went way overboard with his backstory, I only read a few issues and I never had a point where I thought "Man there's got to be more to this guy snapping". His backstory got so loving lovely that you're honestly left wondering that this guy didn't become a genocidal maniac from the word go instead of just being slowly ground down by his lovely life into snapping. You know how Superman said he'd go crazy if he had to be Superman all the time and couldn't be Clark anymore, since he likes...life so much, I guess. Well, Plutonian's Clark identity (forgot his name) didn't have parents as good as the Kents and his life wasn't as good. That ought to have been enough. You didn't have to crank it up any higher than 'ultimate power corrupts, especially if everyone takes you for granted or is kind of a douche'.
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e X posted:By the way, how did it end? I stopped after they brought him back from the heat death of the universe. Though, the last page kind of redeems the thing. Kind of
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drrockso20 posted:It's kinda amazing how big of a middle finger to Superhero comics Irredeemable is(behind only Wanted and The Boys) Wanted was such a loving childish waste of a good idea. They just took what could have been a legit great story and pissed it down their leg. Then raped the piss. And yelled "poo poo" at the piss. And puked on it. And said "sex" a bunch of times. And poop. More rape. Oooey gooey blood too!
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Duke Igthorn posted:Wanted was such a loving childish waste of a good idea. They just took what could have been a legit great story and pissed it down their leg. Then raped the piss. And yelled "poo poo" at the piss. And puked on it. And said "sex" a bunch of times. And poop. More rape. Oooey gooey blood too! It baffles me that there are human beings out there who think Wanted is a great comic.
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Lurdiak posted:It baffles me that there are human beings out there who think Wanted is a great comic. It has that Scottish guy that they've heard of's name on the cover, it must be good! (Sorry, I come from Millar's hometown. He's literally the biggest celebrity to ever come from here, so it's kind of annoying how often I've had to tell people I'm not a big fan.)
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Only thing I really liked about Wanted is that it's supposed to take place in the real world. Like, we're the one Earth without super heroes because evil won, and erased every trace that they ever existed. It's like Millar got stuck somewhere between Grant Morrison and Frank Miller, and decided to make all these big brained ideas cynical as gently caress. Seeing that we got a Wanted movie instead of We3 almost proves him right. This is supposed to be the touching moments thread, so to be positive, I can say I did legitimately enjoy 1985.
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The thing that struck me most about wanted aside from a feeling of odd relief that I'd read literally the worst piece of media on the planet and it was only uphill from here was the constant use of the line "African-american boss" where you could really really tell he originally wrote the N-word but couldn't bring himself to put it in the final print.
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Catfishenfuego posted:The thing that struck me most about wanted aside from a feeling of odd relief that I'd read literally the worst piece of media on the planet and it was only uphill from here was the constant use of the line "African-american boss" where you could really really tell he originally wrote the N-word but couldn't bring himself to put it in the final print.
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Die Laughing posted:Only thing I really liked about Wanted is that it's supposed to take place in the real world. Like, we're the one Earth without super heroes because evil won, and erased every trace that they ever existed. It's like Millar got stuck somewhere between Grant Morrison and Frank Miller, and decided to make all these big brained ideas cynical as gently caress. The ending of Superior is also pretty good. And the rest of it, to be honest. It's probably the best thing he's done. Re: the African-American boss - remember that is from Wesley's inner narrator when he's still a nebbish. The character wants to drop the N-bomb but doesn't have the stones.
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Catfishenfuego posted:aside from a feeling of odd relief that I'd read literally the worst piece of media on the planet and it was only uphill from here And then he went on to booby trap a young woman's vagina.
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Uthor posted:And then he went on to booby trap a young woman's vagina. NSFW with swirling clouds of ink? NSFW
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But no seriously, how did Irredeemable end? I reached my limit at whatever point it was where he tore some guys skin off and wore it as a costume.
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Irredeemable went off the rails and got really dumb and bad, but it gave us Incorruptible and I'm grateful for that.
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Pierson posted:But no seriously, how did Irredeemable end? I reached my limit at whatever point it was where he tore some guys skin off and wore it as a costume. Basically the Doctor expy told the Plutonian that if he used his revealed reality-warping powers to fix stuff that had broken and was going to completely destroy the Earth/everything he'd give him redemption, and then stuff happened and he did it and it was killing him and NotTheDoctor said 'Well I can't redeem you but since your body's breaking down I'm going to use my magic science powers to break apart your essence and warp it into other universes and hopefully it will be reborn as something good' and he did it and the implication is that the split essence made more Superman expys in other comic universes and inspired people in universes where superheros 'couldn't exist' to create them in fiction, including the strong implication that this inspired Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster to create Superman. ...so yeah.
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