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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:The real crime is that you said this about a deck named Naya Lightsaber instead of it being the finest creation in human history. I agree that this is a much worse crime.
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It's for sure one of the best deck names, but it's also easily one of the worst lists to ever win a major event.
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Feb 12, 2015 04:05
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Ciprian Maricon posted:It's for sure one of the best deck names, but it's also easily one of the worst lists to ever win a major event. It looks neat until you notice BBE can't cascade into Ranger of Eos or Baneslayer Angel and it makes the whole thing look like a hodgepodge. And it has a 3-cost card w/ Kicker in the sideboard. Messy.
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Feb 12, 2015 04:12
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I googled the decklist and the entire top eight looks horrible. Makes Abzan midrange look like a neat, synergistic deck.
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Feb 12, 2015 04:26
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But Naya Lightsaber was made by the Michael Flores!
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Feb 12, 2015 04:29
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Someone do the math on how often you could actually play one of your 9 green 1 drops on turn 1 with the paltry 4 green sources that didn't enter tapped. That also doesn't sound that bad until you notice, there are no other 1 CMC creatures or permanents of any color in the deck. Could Path and Bolt really not wait until T2, its not like the deck has a single 2 Drop either.
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Feb 12, 2015 04:32
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Ciprian Maricon posted:When discussing the Top of a given Pro Tour its important to remember that 6 rounds of limited has a big impact on which decks did or did not make the Top 8. I'd be very interested in seeing records for constructed only portions. http://www.mtggoldfish.com/tournament/16951
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Feb 12, 2015 04:45
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Maybe I'm missing something but on that list after Top 8 the decks are just organized by archetype and have no records.
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Feb 12, 2015 04:51
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We can all argue about deck names until the cows come home, but I think the Play of the Year was Frank Karsten's one-of Galvanic Blast to blow out Ozman Ozguney (whose name and deck don't appear on mtggoldfish, oddly enough) on Mistbind Clique championing Mutavault.  doesn't even begin to cover it.
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Feb 12, 2015 05:11
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Ciprian Maricon posted:Maybe I'm missing something but on that list after Top 8 the decks are just organized by archetype and have no records. All those decks has 6 wins in the modern portion. It doesn't list their specific records, but its safe to say those were the decks that did decently in modern.
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Feb 12, 2015 05:13
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I thought Chapin had no wins in modern
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Feb 12, 2015 05:25
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Holy crap this Return to the Ranks / Abzan Ascendancy / 1 drops deck looks fun and I want to play it: http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/263175#paper
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Feb 12, 2015 05:25
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Mercury Crusader posted:Was there ever a lore reason given as to why there is/are demons in the Mardu ranks? I don't recall them ever mentioning that at all. Can you post that list? I really don't know what to run on game day yet and I've been running Mardu Walkers.
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Feb 12, 2015 05:39
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Has Abzan Ascendancy seen any play in Standard at all, I forget.
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Feb 12, 2015 05:43
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Ciprian Maricon posted:When discussing the Top of a given Pro Tour its important to remember that 6 rounds of limited has a big impact on which decks did or did not make the Top 8. I'd be very interested in seeing records for constructed only portions. Here are the top Modern decks from Pro Tour Fate Reforged. pre:Archetype Player Rounds 4-8 Rounds 12-16 Constructed Total Affinity Esposito, Roberto [ITA] 12 15 27 Infect Hill, Tyler [USA] 12 15 27 Burn Wing Chun, Yam [HKG] 12 15 27 Little Kid Abzan Wilson, Jacob [CAN] 15 10 25 Burn Shi Tian, Lee [HKG] 12 13 25 Abzan Hampton, Jesse [USA] 15 9 24 Burn Sang-eun, Kim [KOR] 15 9 24 Abzan Wijaya, Vidianto [USA] 15 9 24 Infect Finkel, Jon [USA] 12 12 24 Infect Ravitz, Joshua [USA] 12 12 24 Abzan Manner, Joey [USA] 12 12 24 Little Kid Abzan McClain, Josh [USA] 12 12 24 GR Tron Ramboa, Thierry [FRA] 12 12 24 Tribal Zoo Birch, Lars [DNK] 12 12 24 Infect Swift, Orrin [USA] 12 12 24 Amulet Chronopoulos, Bill [GRC] 12 12 24 Jund Jong-sun, Park [KOR] 9 15 24 Amulet Grove, Kevin [NLD] 9 15 24 Living End Nielsen, Simon [DNK] 9 15 24
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Rimusutera posted:Has Abzan Ascendancy seen any play in Standard at all, I forget. Pretty sure the answer is no.
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Feb 12, 2015 05:47
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I love the fact that Caleb Durward somehow consistently continues to get away with being the only major author on CFB or SCG that refuses to convert fully to the KTK wedge names. His "Modern BUG" article just went up, doesn't contain the word Sultai once, and the first comment is someone complaining that he hasn't switched over to the new naming scheme.
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Feb 12, 2015 06:23
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"Little Kid Abzan?" Should be called podless pod 
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Feb 12, 2015 06:27
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KidDynamite posted:Can you post that list? I really don't know what to run on game day yet and I've been running Mardu Walkers. Here you go (though I did knock it down to 27 creatures to fit one more land). I have an earlier version in the brew thread here that, outside of the sideboard and a few lands, is probably easier to make work with less playtesting. But even with my current build, I find myself still debating on some card choices, but a lot of it is based on my local metagame. Your Results May Vary (tm)
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Feb 12, 2015 06:28
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:It looks neat until you notice BBE can't cascade into Ranger of Eos or Baneslayer Angel and it makes the whole thing look like a hodgepodge.
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Feb 12, 2015 06:41
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Ciprian Maricon posted:Yeah its something that I wish Wizards did more often with mixed format events. Naya Lightsaber for example was a poo poo deck but a mixed format so a million people sleeved it up for FNM and were probably really confused why they lost so much. Maybe Naya Lightsaber wasn't great, but it performed well enough at that tournament. It went 4-2 in the swiss rounds and won the three elimination rounds.
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Feb 12, 2015 06:57
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Entropic posted:Holy crap this Return to the Ranks / Abzan Ascendancy / 1 drops deck looks fun and I want to play it: Man this looks sweet. I got back into MTG at tail end of INN-RTR so I saw Aristocrats in action a bit. I didn't realize it immediately but that sort of synergy-based deck is extremely my type of poo poo so anything that carries on the Blood Artist-Cartel Aristocrat tradition is grade loving A.
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Feb 12, 2015 07:20
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Entropic posted:Holy crap this Return to the Ranks / Abzan Ascendancy / 1 drops deck looks fun and I want to play it: Sam Black wrote an article for SCG about about the pro tour and he discusses this deck - I guess it was his original pick but in testing against Justin he decided to switch to Amulet Bloom.
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Feb 12, 2015 07:27
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Dehtraen posted:Sam Black wrote an article for SCG about about the pro tour and he discusses this deck - I guess it was his original pick but in testing against Justin he decided to switch to Amulet Bloom. It looks like it has almost negative game against Twin.
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Feb 12, 2015 07:32
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TheKingofSprings posted:It looks like it has almost negative game against Twin. It has Torpor Orb, Stain the Mind, and Choke in the sideboard.
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Feb 12, 2015 07:36
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Silver2195 posted:It has Torpor Orb, Stain the Mind, and Choke in the sideboard. Tron's got a similar number of in and out of board options for twin but that still doesn't make the match-up anything but horribly weighted in twin's favor, and I think the same applies here.
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Feb 12, 2015 07:51
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It can also play Stain the Mind off its tokens! I could totally see a situation where your opponent flashes in an Exarch/Pestermite and you Stain the Mind in response while still having 3 mana to pay for Leak, or 5 to just recast it if they Remand it. Obviously you'd need to be in the middle of 'going off' to pull that off but it's a consideration. It could maybe use some Thoughtseize or Inquisition to give it actual game against combo decks, though.
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Feb 12, 2015 07:55
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ungulateman posted:It can also play Stain the Mind off its tokens! I could totally see a situation where your opponent flashes in an Exarch/Pestermite and you Stain the Mind in response while still having 3 mana to pay for Leak, or 5 to just recast it if they Remand it. Obviously you'd need to be in the middle of 'going off' to pull that off but it's a consideration. Stain the Mind is a sorcery.
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Ciprian Maricon posted:It's for sure one of the best deck names, but it's also easily one of the worst lists to ever win a major event. Stuff like that reminds you just how random Magic can be. I will give it that it looks fun as hell.
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Feb 12, 2015 08:37
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I wonder if Rally the Ancestors is better than Return to the Ranks in that deck? It's cheaper (basically maxes out at 2WW in that deck) but with the drawback that it doesn't have convoke (but you don't want your creatures on the battlefield when you're casting it anyway).
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If you've got the combo together then sure, but RttR sortof does something without it while RtA is almost completely useless.
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Dehtraen posted:Sam Black wrote an article for SCG about about the pro tour and he discusses this deck - I guess it was his original pick but in testing against Justin he decided to switch to Amulet Bloom. i hope he got way better at that deck because watching him play it before was atrocious i mean the deck is incredibly hard to play at 100% efficiency but drat he just sucked at the deck. http://www.starcitygames.com/article/29417_Video-Amulet-Of-Vigor-In-Modern.html Tonetta fucked around with this message at 10:00 on Feb 12, 2015 |
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Feb 12, 2015 09:57
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Tonetta posted:i hope he got way better at that deck because watching him play it before was atrocious I'm nowhere near an expert on the deck, so am I looking for specific games / plays here? Does he call himself out on making really dumb mistakes or is it only obvious to experienced pilots of the deck?
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Feb 12, 2015 10:08
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Tonetta posted:i hope he got way better at that deck because watching him play it before was atrocious Since he almost top8-ed the pt with it, he probably did.
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Feb 12, 2015 10:09
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Applebees posted:Here are the top Modern decks from Pro Tour Fate Reforged. Huh, interesting, I didn't know Kill Bill was playing Amulet.
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Feb 12, 2015 10:28
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MiddleEastBeast posted:I'm nowhere near an expert on the deck, so am I looking for specific games / plays here? Does he call himself out on making really dumb mistakes or is it only obvious to experienced pilots of the deck? He doesn't call himself out on really dumb mistakes, but experienced pilots of the deck might have noticed a few misplays during the PT coverage. Like, for example, instances when he took very conservative lines when his opponent was tapped out instead of... y'know, just winning.
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Feb 12, 2015 14:37
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I have athreos, god of passage on the board. I activate genju of the fens and my opponent kills the swamp after I attack. Does the swamp trigger athreos's ability?
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Molybdenum posted:I have athreos, god of passage on the board. Yes it will. It's a creature that dies, and you own it, so your opponent has the choice of paying 3 life or letting you get your Swamp back. (e: As an aside, can someone explain to me how the Genju return-to-hand triggers actually work? They're typically still on the battlefield when the enchanted land is put into the graveyard, so it's not one of those at-the-same-time things...) Jabor fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Feb 12, 2015 |
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Feb 12, 2015 15:21
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The land going into the graveyard triggers the Genju's ability, which is placed on the stack. Before the stack starts resolving, all SBA stuff is checked, so the Genju gets sent to the graveyard as a SBA due to the object it was enchanting no longer being present. The Genju is now in the graveyard to get sent back to its owner's hand when its ability resolves.
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Allstone posted:The land going into the graveyard triggers the Genju's ability, which is placed on the stack. Before the stack starts resolving, all SBA stuff is checked, so the Genju gets sent to the graveyard as a SBA due to the object it was enchanting no longer being present. The Genju is now in the graveyard to get sent back to its owner's hand when its ability resolves. But abilities don't actually track cards across zones - for example, if it's the beginning of your upkeep, and there's a Squee, Goblin Nabob in your graveyard, if I Surgical Extraction and then Pull from Eternity him in response to the trigger he won't be returned to your hand. Additionally, abilities with that wording typically trigger only if the card is already in the graveyard - Bloodghast's Landfall ability, for example, will not trigger at all if he's already on the battlefield.
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