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i want to play elfgames but i also want to burnish my leftist cred, this is my dilemma
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# ? Feb 12, 2015 15:29 |
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Mors Rattus posted:The robber baron must be a cat. Rakshasa Robber Baron? Hmmm.
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# ? Feb 12, 2015 15:30 |
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Man, the last time I played Changeling: The Lost my Keeper's home territory was "The Dark Satanic Mills" and my PC was literally Joe Hill, having been kidnapped and replaced just before he was executed for a murder he didn't commit. He didn't so much escape Arcadia as get kicked out for unionizing the workers.
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# ? Feb 12, 2015 15:32 |
DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:i want to play elfgames but i also want to burnish my leftist cred, this is my dilemma While wandering through the abandoned ruins your party encounters a pack of 3d6 Bourgeois toadies led by a 4hd Fatcat. In the surprise round he casts Invisible Hand and crushes anyone with less than 200 gold on their person to the ground. Roll for initiative.
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# ? Feb 12, 2015 15:33 |
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moths posted:You do run into a lot of extremely right-wing nonsense in wargaming. I think some folks mostly play to trap someone at a table while they evangelize against gay socialist abortions, illegals, and THE TAKERS.
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# ? Feb 12, 2015 15:33 |
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I have run into a few Soviet apologists while historical wargaming but they are nothing compared to the legions of wehraboo fascists.
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# ? Feb 12, 2015 15:45 |
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Until reading the book I linked I never really knew the size and the extent of the Wehrmacht apologist circle, so I was quite shocked to find out that it was that extensive. I'm glad I've managed to gain an interest in history without being shaped by that kind of stuff in my youth, although there were a few things in the book that I remember learning about when I was a teenager simply because the 'myth' had become so mainstream.
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# ? Feb 12, 2015 15:59 |
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Aaaaaah, it's so unfair, those wehraboo jerks mean that I can't like the Stug III without seeming suspect! On another note if you want a game that downplays right wing nonsense, could you, I dunno, adapt The Quiet Year to the day before the Battle of the Somme, or the themes of doomed nobility in Polaris or Thou Art But A Warrior to the Hungarian Revolution?
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# ? Feb 12, 2015 16:06 |
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Adapting The Quiet Year to tell a different kind if story would be cool. The Quiet Year is awesome and always needs more love and attention.
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# ? Feb 12, 2015 16:09 |
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The policy of letting a hundred games bloom and a hundred systems contend is designed to promote the flourishing of the arts and the progress of gaming? Speaking of McDaldno, someone last thread mentioned she was going to put up an interesting presention on Imperialism in tradgames. Did that come out yet? I'm kind of curious about that, especially since the only thing that comes to mind are glaringly obvious examples like, Space 1889 or like, a Drow campaign where you're all diamond mercenaries.
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# ? Feb 12, 2015 16:11 |
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Rockopolis posted:The policy of letting a hundred games bloom and a hundred systems contend is designed to promote the flourishing of the arts and the progress of gaming? Didn't the Maoists end up using that to target their political opposition and attack them?
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# ? Feb 12, 2015 16:17 |
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Nancy_Noxious posted:Thank you, nice people, I'm truly a bad person that should be killed. I'm going to count this as volunteering for my playtest of Steamtunnels and Stabbings.
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# ? Feb 12, 2015 16:28 |
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IIRC China Miéville bases a lot of his novels on his D&D campaigns so don't knock Marxist elfgames till you've tried 'em.
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# ? Feb 12, 2015 16:31 |
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Davin Valkri posted:Didn't the Maoists end up using that to target their political opposition and attack them? Don't know if it was planned that way or it just ended up that way, but I always wonder why anyone went for it, considering "hundred schools" is basically the start of a historical idiom that ends with "bury the scholars and burn their books".
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# ? Feb 12, 2015 16:35 |
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Rockopolis posted:
Not quite? The Hundred Schools were the philosophies that developed in the Warring States period (so 6th century B.C -3rd century B.C), which included stuff like Confucianism, Daoism, Mohism, and Legalism. Legalism, the authoritarian rear end in a top hat philosophy, did win out and burned up the others in the Qin dynasty. But it's generally considered a good thing because the others (namely Confucianism and Daoism) survived and shaped the rest of Chinese history in relatively better ways. Though Mao, for better or worse, explicitly sympathized with the Qin emperor so idk what people were expecting from him.
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# ? Feb 12, 2015 16:43 |
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Most evidence I've seen seems to point to the Hundred Flowers campaign originally being sincere but because popular opinion was not unanimously in Mao's favor, he turned against it. He was not expecting legitimate criticism, if any, because he bought into his own cult of personality. Also, since Mao was from the Stalinist camp he wouldn't need a campaign like that to target his perceived enemies. He would have just made something up and jailed or executed them like he did in the lead up to the Cultural Revolution.
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# ? Feb 12, 2015 16:48 |
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I always though Mohism was pretty rad; math, universal brotherhood, and the greatest siege engineers of the age. Legalism, I go back and forth on. If nothing else, it's very much a product of its crazy times. Like, now, I'm not sure about it, but if I lived back then I'd probably be like "holy poo poo, yes, sign me up". In the grim darkness of the distant past, there are only the Warring States. Besides, anything that pisses off the aristocracy so much can't be all bad.
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# ? Feb 12, 2015 17:03 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:None of the players have caught on yet that all of my plots are about toppling the monarchy and introducing ... Syndicalism? My Eberron game has a long running plot background where the Blood of Vol is the only organization working to destroy the prophecy-driven tyranny of the authoritarian dragons. That's more libertarian/anti-authoritarian, though.
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# ? Feb 12, 2015 17:05 |
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Mohism was indeed pretty rad, but didn't survive the Qin purges. Qin Shi Huangdi is a really interesting guy and did quite a lot of good for what would become China, but also was a terrible person who did absolutely awful things. That Legalism was his legacy shows very clearly. It exists to justify the state and the Emperor doing whatever they drat well please, and is more of a practical guide to ruthless leadership than an actual moral philosophy of any sort.
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# ? Feb 12, 2015 17:06 |
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Bendigeidfran posted:IIRC China Miéville bases a lot of his novels on his D&D campaigns so don't knock Marxist elfgames till you've tried 'em. I would kill to play in whatever campaign ended up with Railsea being a thing. God I love that book.
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# ? Feb 12, 2015 17:39 |
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Nancy_Noxious posted:Thank you, nice people, I'm truly a bad person that should be killed. Pretty intolerant to other views for someone so progressive. Considering opposition as a signifier of violence is rather regressive itself.
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# ? Feb 12, 2015 17:52 |
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Lynx Winters posted:So okay, it's DBZ, it's about zwee fighting and fireballs. You can spend your energy points to create a force field called a Deflection that acts like armor against energy attacks. The main problem is that Deflections are not ablative, so you either have to overwhelm it by attacking it with more dice of damage than the defender put up, or it stays up forever (or until you go in and punch them). However, if you hit a Deflection with an energy attack and the Deflection has more points in it than the incoming attack, the difference is automatically reflected back at the attacker. No roll to hit, no roll to dodge, they just take it. However, if the attacker still has their Deflection up, it applies against the reflected attack. To be fair, this does accurately reflect the pace of DBZ.
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# ? Feb 12, 2015 18:02 |
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christ i'm envious of you nerds who actually find changeling games to play also plague of hats sierra mist isn't that bad FOR AN INFERIOR WEEKEND-WOBBLY DRINK UGH LIKE GOD LOOK AT THIS DUDE IT'S LIKE THE BEVERAGE BOURGEOISIE ON PARADE JUST WITH A FEW MORE PANGS OF GUILT AND MAYBE HALF A SPLASH OF CLASS-CONSCIOUSNESS also speaking of changeling i guess i've got a Gat Out of Hell key for someone who comes up with a Changeling-themed pun that makes me giggle guess who bought it when it was $5 'cos gifting only to find SURPRISE most of her interested friends bought it in the same sale and wants to get rid of it sooner rather than later bluhbluh and doesn't want to toss it into Games proper bc that place is a g a r b a g e p i l e
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# ? Feb 12, 2015 18:04 |
Wait it was $5? gently caress.
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# ? Feb 12, 2015 18:06 |
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Mr. Maltose posted:Pretty intolerant to other views for someone so progressive. Considering opposition as a signifier of violence is rather regressive itself. We all want new exciting directions in the world of elfgames but not quite as much as we want to make fun of rambling rants. FYI you should try to track down a link to Last Stand if you want another seedling of New Ideas In Games Also Leftist that was unfortunately unable to find roots.
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# ? Feb 12, 2015 18:06 |
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there was a price glitch the weekend before it came out :o
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# ? Feb 12, 2015 18:07 |
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Ningyou posted:also speaking of changeling i guess i've got a Gat Out of Hell key for someone who comes up with a Changeling-themed pun that makes me giggle Sounds like a Keeper to me, really.
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# ? Feb 12, 2015 18:10 |
Ningyou posted:there was a price glitch the weekend before it came out :o
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# ? Feb 12, 2015 18:12 |
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13th Age and Strike are hallmarks of reactionary politics. Those games, their players, and their designers should be purged for the glory of the Worker's Republic of Gaming.
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# ? Feb 12, 2015 18:26 |
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Mors Rattus posted:Sounds like a Keeper to me, really. That's what Sidhe said.
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# ? Feb 12, 2015 18:28 |
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There's always this: http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/12246/against-wall-mothererBGG posted:Up Against The Wall, Motherfucker!
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# ? Feb 12, 2015 18:31 |
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FMguru posted:There's always this: http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/12246/against-wall-motherer Huh, that almost sounds like a prototype of Twilight Struggle or 1989. Especially 1989. Odd, how some concepts are older than they seem.
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# ? Feb 12, 2015 18:36 |
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Good news! 5e is getting a bizarre PC game that will probably be awful! http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/02/12/new-dungeons-and-dragons-game-sword-coast-legends-coming-in-2015
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# ? Feb 12, 2015 18:38 |
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Well any game that has to use 5e's mechanics will be awful.
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# ? Feb 12, 2015 18:39 |
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The 4 vs 1 GM setup seems a little like what Bioware's now dead Shadow Realms was shooting for, which actually sounded interesting before it was killed.
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# ? Feb 12, 2015 18:40 |
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Impermanent posted:Well any game that has to use 5e's mechanics will be awful. Well, let's not also overlook that it's going to be set in the Forgotten loving Realms, because it's not enough to use a bad system -- you also have to have a bad, criminally boring setting too.
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# ? Feb 12, 2015 18:45 |
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palecur posted:Well, let's not also overlook that it's going to be set in the Forgotten loving Realms, because it's not enough to use a bad system -- you also have to have a bad, criminally boring setting too. Generic so as to offend as few people as possible. 5E.txt
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# ? Feb 12, 2015 19:00 |
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palecur posted:Well, let's not also overlook that it's going to be set in the Forgotten loving Realms, because it's not enough to use a bad system -- you also have to have a bad, criminally boring setting too. There are good things in the Realms, lord knows I've gone to the mat for the setting before but I doubt this game will embrace them.
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# ? Feb 12, 2015 19:15 |
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dwarf74 posted:Good news! 5e is getting a bizarre PC game that will probably be awful! It's hard to tell through all the marketing speak, but isn't this game just Neverwinter Nights?
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# ? Feb 12, 2015 19:16 |
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The Malthusian posted:It's hard to tell through all the marketing speak, but isn't this game just Neverwinter Nights? Isometric NWN, looks like it.
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# ? Feb 12, 2015 19:17 |