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sassassin
Apr 3, 2010

by Azathoth

Captain Monkey posted:

The same kind of man who doesn't swipe right on a gym cutie he sees on Tinder for fear of being run out of the gym in shame and horror.

Guess none of us should be driving a girl's car into McDonalds. It's a tough world out there.

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Croccers
Jun 15, 2012
If it works in Not-Australia, Aus has a panel series that gets into marketing and advertising.
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/programs/gruen-planet/
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/gruenplanet/episodes.htm

And you have some of the Chaser guys + others being bitter about everything marketing/advertising and whatnot:
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/thecheckout/

Ride The Gravitron
May 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
Really wanted to see one of those dude be all" what kind of man works at McDonald's? Get a job that a not for teenagers!"

Johnny Aztec
Jan 30, 2005

by Hand Knit

The North Tower posted:

To play devil's advocate, production costs are not comparable to distribution and advertising costs. The product costs them nothing to make in China.

Chocolate prices(and things made with it) are just going to keep going up. We're consuming more cocoa than is produced. There was a disease in Africa that killed off a lot of cocoa trees, and it's easier to grow other crops, so a lot of African farmers, in the cocoa growing areas, are moving to other crops.

swims
May 5, 2014

Waiter, this band keeps shooting pearls at me.
Ebola just keeps on loving this world over

E: unless you meant aids

henkman
Oct 8, 2008
yes, tree aids

Mister Mind
Mar 20, 2009

I'm not a real doctor,
But I am a real worm;
I am an actual worm

GOTTA STAY FAI posted:

Sometimes I get the feeling these Truth ads are made as obnoxious as possible in order to reflect the contempt of the tobacco companies that are being forced to pay for them.

As dumb as they might be, the Truth antismoking campaign does look to be actually sincere and independent of any tobacco companies. Go back a little way farther, and you'll see how cynical it can be when Big Tobacco (Lorillard, in this case) puts together its own "Hey kids, smoking is only for cool grownups!" PSAs.




Bast Relief
Feb 21, 2006

by exmarx
When I worked at a middle school in Japan, they had posters in the hall showing a contemplative young lady beneath the statement, "not until I'm ..." And I forget what the arbitrary age was. The PSA was about smoking. So yeah, they were basically asking people to at least wait a few years until they pick up the habit. What a smoky place that was.

ElwoodCuse
Jan 11, 2004

we're puttin' the band back together
Does anyone sell half gallons of ice cream anymore? There are strict regulations about what can be called "ice cream" so that was the king of "make it smaller instead of raise the price". We're down to 1.5 quarts now. And the pricing model is still "complete ripoff unless this brand is on sale this week", which guaranteed at least one of them is at any grocery store.

Cuntellectual
Aug 6, 2010

Man, Cracked food related articles are always kinda gross/saddening.

jidohanbaiki posted:

When I worked at a middle school in Japan, they had posters in the hall showing a contemplative young lady beneath the statement, "not until I'm ..." And I forget what the arbitrary age was. The PSA was about smoking. So yeah, they were basically asking people to at least wait a few years until they pick up the habit. What a smoky place that was.

There's vending machines that sell booze and cigarrettes and it's not like they have any age lock on them.

InediblePenguin
Sep 27, 2004

I'm strong. And a giant penguin. Please don't eat me. No, really. Don't try.
Blue Bell still sells full half gallons (as does the Brookshire's house brand that is designed to look like Blue Bell). Their cartons look gigantic compared to all the national brands', though, because of that downsizing trend.

edit: I'm also old enough (though only barely) to remember cigarette vending machines in the United States. (There might still be some in Las Vegas - there was when I visited ten years ago - but the "age lock" in that case is the fact that it's on the gaming floor of a casino, where presumably you have to be old enough to smoke anyway.) I definitely remember there being one right next to the bank of quarter-operated toy machines at the grocery store when I was real small in the late '80s.

InediblePenguin has a new favorite as of 09:36 on Feb 13, 2015

Taeke
Feb 2, 2010


I've seen them around in bars and late night restaurants (fast food mostly) here in the Netherlands and those require a special age-coin you have to get from the bar.

duckmaster
Sep 13, 2004
Mr and Mrs Duck go and stay in a nice hotel.

One night they call room service for some condoms as things are heating up.

The guy arrives and says "do you want me to put it on your bill"

Mr Duck says "what kind of pervert do you think I am?!

QUACK QUACK
Cigarette vending machines were only outlawed in the UK maybe three years ago. They were only allowed to be in bars, clubs, casinos etc, basically anywhere that sold alcohol, but they were always placed as close to the door as possible. When my old workplace got rid of ours the tobacco company who owned it - who used to send people in to tell us to take stickers and posters off the branding and checked if the bar staff could change £10 notes quickly - completely denied all knowledge of its existence and said we'd have to dispose of it ourselves. Bastards.

I did get a few packets at cost price though, and cost price is nothing.

ToxicSlurpee
Nov 5, 2003

-=SEND HELP=-


Pillbug
They used to be all over the U.S. actually and yes they were sometimes only allowed in places with age restrictions. However, they were also sometimes in places like rest stops, hotel lobbies, and the like. If they were in a bar or something they'd be somewhere between the building's primary entrance and the actual entrance to the bar. Hotel/bar combos with lobbies would of course have them. I think they are illegal now or at the very least hated enough that I haven't seen one in years.

Toast Museum
Dec 3, 2005

30% Iron Chef
I'm in South Carolina and still see cigarette vending machines in at least some bars. They seem to be relatively modern, so I don't think they're holdouts that got grandfathered in or something. They're definitely less common than the old pull-style machines I remember seeing as a kid, though.

DrBouvenstein
Feb 28, 2007

I think I'm a doctor, but that doesn't make me a doctor. This fancy avatar does.
The thing about ice cream is that size only partially matters. In the US, ice cream can legally have 100% overrun, meaning that literally half the volume in a container can be air. The cheaper the ice cream, the more likely they will get to this 100% mark.

You certainly want SOME overrun, otherwise you'd always have super hard ice cream (that's also why ice cream that's melted and refrozen is rock hard, all the microscopic air bubbles throughout the ice cream are gone,) but good companies don't go as high as 100%.

Now whether or not it's better than you get more volume or more weight for your money is a personal choice...more volume can feel like you actually get more, since the average person doesn't weigh their portions, they just go buy what looks like the amount they want. But just be aware the price per pound might not be as good as a "dense" ice cream.

Ideally, all we'd have to do is look at unit price, but there's not a lot of consistency there...one store might show unit price in pounds or ounces, in which case great. But another store might show it in quarts, and a third might mix and match.

Tempest_56
Mar 14, 2009

The line between 'dumb' and 'brilliant' is a thin one. And full of crazy. Let me introduce you to Jim 'THE HAMMER' Shapiro, a personal injury lawyer in the upstate New York area in the early 90s. He was an aggressive ambulance chaser and he had the best/worst commericals. Which were notable as you could see as he went more and more insane, and in that you could literally not live in the area and avoid seeing them because of how prolific they were.

We start with this one which isn't really so bad.

Then he got more aggressive, as seen here.

At some point, he turned the dial up to eleven. As seen here. It was around this time he started selling t-shirts that proclaimed the wearer was "Protected by vicious SOB Jim THE HAMMER Shapiro".

Things later fell apart, after during a bar investigation found that Shapiro 1) had not resided in New York for at least seven years at the time, and 2) had never actually tried a case to conclusion. His upstate NY office was being run by a single junior lawyer who had only ever taken four cases to trial ever. He was suspended, though he stated he didn't care because he was busy writing books instead. His works include Sue The Bastards, Victims Rights To Maximum Cash and Million Dollar Lungs. He has since sold all of his law offices.

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


InediblePenguin posted:

I'm also old enough (though only barely) to remember cigarette vending machines in the United States.
I saw one probably about two years ago (in Melbourne), and it may still be there. It was a really weird thing though, because it only took coins so you had to put in $15-$20 or whatever in $1 and $2 coins, and there was a 7-11 right across the street that would sell you cigarettes 24 hours a day. :shrug:

ToxicSlurpee
Nov 5, 2003

-=SEND HELP=-


Pillbug

DrBouvenstein posted:

Now whether or not it's better than you get more volume or more weight for your money is a personal choice...more volume can feel like you actually get more, since the average person doesn't weigh their portions, they just go buy what looks like the amount they want. But just be aware the price per pound might not be as good as a "dense" ice cream.

Ideally, all we'd have to do is look at unit price, but there's not a lot of consistency there...one store might show unit price in pounds or ounces, in which case great. But another store might show it in quarts, and a third might mix and match.

There's actually a poo poo load of mathematical trickery stores use to get you to pay more than you should like that. It isn't just limited to things like that but also container size. I remember seeing plain black and white generic bags of chips that were larger than name brand stuff but were like 1/3 full. If you looked closely the weights were way lower; the bag was just enormous. Some dollar or bargain stores will put stuff in a smaller container and be all like "this is cheaper!" but the price per ounce ends up being higher. This is also another Sam Vimes Boot Tax in that sometimes all you can afford is the smaller container, which means paying more for the same stuff over time.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Mister Mind posted:

As dumb as they might be, the Truth antismoking campaign does look to be actually sincere and independent of any tobacco companies. Go back a little way farther, and you'll see how cynical it can be when Big Tobacco (Lorillard, in this case) puts together its own "Hey kids, smoking is only for cool grownups!" PSAs.



ISIS's antismoking campaign is going to be way more effective:

http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-islamic-state-smoking-ban-20150212-story.html

quote:

Beheadings have become commonplace in the territories held by the militant Islamic State, but the severed head reportedly found last month in the eastern Syrian city of Al-Mayadeen was nevertheless unusual.

It had a cigarette placed between its lips.

“This is not permissible, Sheikh,” someone had scrawled in Arabic on the decapitated corpse lying nearby, according to an account from the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a pro-opposition monitoring group. The body and head belonged to an Islamic State official, a deputy police chief.

How Rude
Aug 13, 2012


FUCK THIS SHIT
That's why packaging is irrelevant. You always look at the ounces/liters/pounds and divide it out of the price to get what the actual price of a sale item.

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


How Rude posted:

That's why packaging is irrelevant. You always look at the ounces/liters/pounds and divide it out of the price to get what the actual price of a sale item.

At large Australian supermarkets, the labels on the shelf give the price for the item and for a fixed quantity, so if one brand is selling 200g of cream cheese for $4.10 and another brand is selling 250g for $5.30 it will also tell you that the first one is $2.05/100g and the second is $2.12/100g so you can see at a glance which is cheaper, no maths needed. It's not required for every shop to do it, but it's really handy at the ones that do.

Das Boo
Jun 9, 2011

There was a GHOST here.
It's gone now.
They have that sometimes in the States, as well. It's usually when I'm in an expensive grocery like Haggen (well, expensive for me) that I notice they don't have it. :mad:

DrBouvenstein
Feb 28, 2007

I think I'm a doctor, but that doesn't make me a doctor. This fancy avatar does.

Tiggum posted:

At large Australian supermarkets, the labels on the shelf give the price for the item and for a fixed quantity, so if one brand is selling 200g of cream cheese for $4.10 and another brand is selling 250g for $5.30 it will also tell you that the first one is $2.05/100g and the second is $2.12/100g so you can see at a glance which is cheaper, no maths needed. It's not required for every shop to do it, but it's really handy at the ones that do.

They have to do this in the US too, but as I said previously, it's not always the same consistent UNIT.

For some things, like milk, it'll always be the same. If you go to a store, all the milk will give the price for the gallon/quart/whatever of milk, and next to it, it will show the unit price (probably in dollars per quart,) so you can compare all the milk prices.

But some things have the potential to be listed in different units, like my ice cream example. I don't know if it's up to the store or the manufacturer, but you can easily have one brand of ice cream show the unit price in dollars/quart, but then another brand will be in dollars/pound.

Produce can also be annoying. Most bulk produce will already be in dollars/pound, but sometimes it might be dollars/each. Like, say, all cucumbers of this type of $1 each. But the other kind of cucumber next to it is $1/pound, so now you've got to weight the $1/each cucumbers to see if they average over a pound each and are the better deal if you're that serious about savings.

Things like bags of apples and oranges are big offenders here. The bags will just say "$5 each!" and the unit price will also show it as $5/unit, so it's hard to compare to the bulk apples that are priced at, like, $1.50/pound without checking the weight on the bag itself doing the math.

DrBouvenstein has a new favorite as of 17:03 on Feb 13, 2015

CzarChasm
Mar 14, 2009

I don't like it when you're watching me eat.
A few posts above had bad local commercials. Here, have this nightmare from a Chicagoland auto Insurance company

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4-e4nlfdRI (The sound gets a little loud)

But it was a successful enough commercial to get a sequel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kL1QUmeEZQc

Some people might recognize shock jock Mancow as the driver in this one.

And another local ad from my childhood for Victory Auto Wreckers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fM5K5jK840

Big Grunty Secret
Aug 28, 2007

Just one question, though. Is there a way to take off my pants?
Re: cigarette vending machines: Spain has them, but usually you have to ask the bartender/store owner to turn it on remotely, so they can verify your age. However, I'd say it's 50/50 to which machines need to be activated and those that are always on, 24/7.

baram.
Oct 23, 2007

smooth.


There's a bar I got to in Pennsylvania now and then that still has a cigarette vending machine.

Stick Insect
Oct 24, 2010

My enemies are many.

My equals are none.
Cigarette vending machines in Japan used cameras to determine your age. You could fool it by making it look at magazine photographs.

http://pinktentacle.com/2008/06/magazine-photos-fool-age-verification-cameras/

I vaguely remember something about the same being possible by using the faces on money bills.

Ringo Star Get
Sep 18, 2006

JUST FUCKING TAKE OFF ALREADY, SHIT
To the goon that posted the Victory Auto Wreckers: I remember growing up and seeing that commercial all the time. Apparently now after thirty years they're going to change it!

I hope they just use the same people/car and just make the video in super high def.

Haruharuharuko
Mar 24, 2008

Yeah I lied; so what is the truth?

You know what sexy? Kids that's right lets say kids are sexy so sexy lets make sexy ladies smell like babies its genius!

The TV ad is even loving creepier and includes the line "A baby who grew up really sexy"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7IP5SV6GqQ

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

What is the Matrix 🌐? We just don't know 😎.


Buglord

GOTTA STAY FAI posted:

Well hey it's not like they're doing anything really bad like preventing people from uploading gameplay videos of Nintendo games to Youtube without an affiliate agreement or literally selling a handheld that cannot be used out-of-box because it doesn't come with a charger

The 3ds doesn't come with a charger in most of the world because of e-waste laws, this is nothing new.

E:

Baram posted:

nintendo selling region locked consoles in 2015

http://www.forbes.com/sites/olliebarder/2014/11/05/nintendo-may-reconsider-position-on-region-locking/

quote:

Today however, it is clear that the advantages of region locking have been proved weak at best and don’t bring benefits to customers, such blocks ought to be dropped.

Full Battle Rattle
Aug 29, 2009

As long as the times refuse to change, we're going to make a hell of a racket.

Improbable Lobster posted:

The 3ds doesn't come with a charger in most of the world because of e-waste laws, this is nothing new.

What?

quote:

Nintendo argues it's doing customers a favor by not bundling the essential components. A spokesperson claims: -

Rather than raise [the] cost of [the] New Nintendo 3DS XL by charging consumers for a component they may already own, we are giving them the option to only buy if they need an AC adapter.


http://www.dailytech.com/Nintendos+New+3DS+XL+Doesnt+Come+w+a+Charger+to+Save+You+Money/article37151.htm#sthash.5zFbjcIS.dpuf

Gene Hackman Fan
Dec 27, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Croccers posted:

If it works in Not-Australia, Aus has a panel series that gets into marketing and advertising.
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/programs/gruen-planet/
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/gruenplanet/episodes.htm

There are a *lot* of episodes of Gruen Transfer/Planet on youtube, and I can't recommend this show enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWlqcP56pcg

Gene Hackman Fan has a new favorite as of 09:55 on Feb 14, 2015

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

What is the Matrix 🌐? We just don't know 😎.


Buglord

In the EU and many other countries it has never come with a charger because of the electroic waste laws.

Gyro Zeppeli
Jul 19, 2012

sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

Improbable Lobster posted:

In the EU and many other countries it has never come with a charger because of the electroic waste laws.

I live in the UK and my 3DS came with a charger.

organburner
Apr 10, 2011

This avatar helped buy Lowtax a new skeleton.

Improbable Lobster posted:

In the EU and many other countries it has never come with a charger because of the electroic waste laws.

Why is it like the only thing then that doesn't come with a charger?
If I buy a laptop, it comes with a charger. PS Vita? Comes with a charger. Phone? Comes with a charger.

So what?

The Great Burrito
Jan 21, 2008

Is that freedom rock? Well turn it up!

organburner posted:

Why is it like the only thing then that doesn't come with a charger?
If I buy a laptop, it comes with a charger. PS Vita? Comes with a charger. Phone? Comes with a charger.

So what?

I suppose it's because all of Nintendo's handhelds have had the same charger since the DSi in 2009, so they assume everyone has one? (I have 4).

organburner
Apr 10, 2011

This avatar helped buy Lowtax a new skeleton.

The Great Burrito posted:

I suppose it's because all of Nintendo's handhelds have had the same charger since the DSi in 2009, so they assume everyone has one? (I have 4).

I get that, but what's with the guy claiming it's some e-waste law in the EU causing it?

Dr_Amazing
Apr 15, 2006

It's a long story

Tempest_56 posted:

The line between 'dumb' and 'brilliant' is a thin one. And full of crazy. Let me introduce you to Jim 'THE HAMMER' Shapiro, a personal injury lawyer in the upstate New York area in the early 90s. He was an aggressive ambulance chaser and he had the best/worst commericals. Which were notable as you could see as he went more and more insane, and in that you could literally not live in the area and avoid seeing them because of how prolific they were.

We start with this one which isn't really so bad.

Then he got more aggressive, as seen here.

At some point, he turned the dial up to eleven. As seen here. It was around this time he started selling t-shirts that proclaimed the wearer was "Protected by vicious SOB Jim THE HAMMER Shapiro".

Things later fell apart, after during a bar investigation found that Shapiro 1) had not resided in New York for at least seven years at the time, and 2) had never actually tried a case to conclusion. His upstate NY office was being run by a single junior lawyer who had only ever taken four cases to trial ever. He was suspended, though he stated he didn't care because he was busy writing books instead. His works include Sue The Bastards, Victims Rights To Maximum Cash and Million Dollar Lungs. He has since sold all of his law offices.

I haven't seen one of those ads since I was 8 years old and I could easily tell you his phone number from memory. I remember more CGI hammers swinging through the screen.

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The Moon Monster
Dec 30, 2005

JacquelineDempsey posted:

That seems like the perfect ingredient for a Bloody Mary/Caesar. (Oh god I want a Bloody Mary now)

Also, I had no idea Jelly Belly had alcohol flavors. WTF? How does Joe Camel get the smackdown for making smoking seem cool to kids, but a candy company can essentially say "hey kids! Don't margaritas taste good?"

When I was 5 or so I had one of those Baskin Robbins ice cream cones decorated to look like a clown. It was some sort of sherbet like flavor that I really liked, so I asked one of the employees what flavor it was. Daquiri Ice. A while later when my family was out at a restaurant I noticed they had daquiris on the menu so I asked the waitress for one because "daquiris are my favorite".

Still my favorite flavor ice cream-like desert!

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