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http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/02/indian_citizen_stopped_by_madi.html Grandfather visiting Alabama from India stopped by police while taking walk, left partly paralyzed Madison police last week roughed up a 57-year-old Indian citizen who was walking on the sidewalk outside his son's home, leaving the older man temporarily paralyzed and hospitalized with fused vertebrae. "He was just walking on the sidewalk as he does all the time," said his son, Chirag Patel, this morning. "They put him to the ground." No crime had been committed. Madison Police on Monday issued a statement saying the department had suspended the officer and were investigating the use of force in this case. The police statement wished the man a "speedy recovery."
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Can someone clarify if he's still being paid while being suspended? They get suspended with pay if an investigation is still happening, suspended without pay if an violation of policy is found, is that right? If it is I'd do whatever I could to be under investigation all the time if I was a cop. 
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Feb 11, 2015 16:42
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LOL, he was swatted. Make sure you tell your visiting relatives from another country that the US is a police state and that you should avoid leaving your house without an escort or something bad may happen.quote:Madison police issued a statement on Monday saying they received a call early Friday about a man looking in garages among the brick homes just south of the city's new high school. Police are a loaded gun you can point at someone. LorneReams fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Feb 11, 2015 |
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Feb 11, 2015 16:43
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I'm sure there will be an arrest and aggressive prosecution of the assailant. LOLOLOLOL.
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Feb 11, 2015 16:44
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LorneReams posted:LOL, he was swatted. Make sure you tell your visiting relatives from another country that the US is a police state and that you should avoid leaving your house without an escort or something bad may happen. I think what we need to do is reprint the infamous Welcome to Fear City pamphlet but make it clear that you have to be afraid of cops instead.
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Feb 11, 2015 16:45
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LorneReams posted:Why not have a manual saftey? Something you have to deliberetly click "on" before firing? Because it's easier to fumble that safety if you have to draw and fire quickly. The Glock has a trigger safety, meaning that if you don't pull the trigger, the gun will not fire. This is perfectly fine as long as you don't pull the trigger, which you obviously should only be doing if you're shooting at something. Ultimately the person with the weapon is the only safety, regardless of whether the gun has a manual switch safety or not. In the case in question, the cop was apparently 1) muzzle sweeping everything he was pointing his light at and 2) keeping his finger in the trigger while doing so. These are both huge firearm safety no-nos. Based on that scenario this was completely preventable and due to negligence. The guy was trained and knew (or should have known) better.
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Feb 11, 2015 16:48
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Neo Rasa posted:Can someone clarify if he's still being paid while being suspended? With pay would be pretty standard, while the department reviews the audio/video/witness statements and figures out what happened.
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Feb 11, 2015 16:49
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zzyzx posted:With pay would be pretty standard, while the department reviews the audio/video/witness statements and figures out what happened. Remember they can always claw it back.
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Feb 11, 2015 16:49
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LorneReams posted:Remember they can always claw it back. But they won't. Remember that they could but they won't.
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Feb 11, 2015 16:56
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I'm no gun expert, but aren't those gun mounted flashlights removable?
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Feb 11, 2015 17:22
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Solkanar512 posted:I'm no gun expert, but aren't those gun mounted flashlights removable? Easily. Usually they are retained with a thumbscrew or a latch. Although I can see how it wouldn't immediately occur to someone to do that, since they are usually bought, attached, and left on until they, the batteries, or the gun require replacement.
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Feb 11, 2015 17:33
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You really are supposed to have a separate duty flashlight though. If you have a weapon mounted light it is supposed to stay there for you know, weapon stuff.
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Feb 11, 2015 17:40
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That's not even getting into the ridiculous Tom Clancy scenario where the average beat cop would need a muzzle mounted flashlight in the first place.
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Feb 11, 2015 18:24
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Can anyone confirm if a flashlight is on the list of "provide yourself" equipment in NYPD? I know they have flashlight standards and it looks like you have to buy your own, but I can't find a source to confirm. Because with a budget of $4.8 Billion Dollars you think they could buy some flashlights.
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Feb 11, 2015 18:28
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Powercrazy posted:That's not even getting into the ridiculous Tom Clancy scenario where the average beat cop would need a muzzle mounted flashlight in the first place. Actually, current consesus is that all duty guns should have a light if possible, so that the user can see what they're aiming at before they pull the trigger.
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Feb 11, 2015 18:29
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Powercrazy posted:That's not even getting into the ridiculous Tom Clancy scenario where the average beat cop would need a muzzle mounted flashlight in the first place. In theory, if you are shooting at somebody in low light, it is a distinct advantage to wash out their night vision.
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Feb 11, 2015 18:42
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SedanChair posted:In theory, if you are shooting at somebody in low light, it is a distinct advantage to wash out their night vision. I don't debate the tactical advantage of a gun mounted light, I question the efficacy of the officers to use it properly, i.e. use it only in situations when they should have their gun drawn in the first place, i.e. very rarely. An officer should be using a flashlight much more often then his gun, and I don't think this is the first time an officer was using his gun as a flashlight, instead of just a flashlight.
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Feb 11, 2015 19:21
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Drawing a weapon to use the tactical flashing to walk through an apartment building doesn't just seem unreasonable, but I think reveals systemic failure of the NYPD training program to instill a proper respect for firearms. My shooting range experience is (hopefully) far less than a police officer and the obvious safety issues wielding a weapon just to use a flashlight defies reason. The more I think about the situation the less it seems like a freak accident and the more it seems like the officer pointed his weapon at the victim and pulled the trigger.
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Feb 11, 2015 19:31
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I'd say it's a big yes on the systemic failure to train a proper respect for firearms. After all, the reason the trigger pull is something like 12 pounds on NYPD sidearms is because when they switched from revolvers, there were too many incidents of negligent discharges. They were too used to the 6-shooters with a heavier pull and couldn't learn to keep their fingers off the trigger when drawing their weapon.
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Feb 11, 2015 19:49
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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/02/...omments/#disqusquote:Police in Washington state said that they were forced to kill a man who was armed with rocks, but witnesses claimed the suspect was trying to run away. protip:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIYzkL0AT_8 not a good look ps: TURN YOUR loving PHONE SIDEWAYS
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Feb 12, 2015 03:58
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Well if they hadn't shot him several times he might have used his brute strength to murder each of them with a single rock powered blow. Clearly a justified escalation and use of force. Cops are loving pussies.
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Feb 12, 2015 07:53
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Oh wow that's the Pasco shooting huh. Funny, KUOW said the police reported he "hadn't been acting like himself." Also I like how bold people are getting. The Mexican dude is like "hey that was just a rock."
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Feb 12, 2015 07:59
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Powercrazy posted:That's not even getting into the ridiculous Tom Clancy scenario where the average beat cop would need a muzzle mounted flashlight in the first place. Yeah, Tom Clancy scenarios like aiming in low light or identifying your targets before you fire on them. Insane! But yeah, for looking around in a building when you aren't actively being shot at, use a completely separate flashlight that isn't mounted to a gun.
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Feb 12, 2015 12:36
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mlmp08 posted:Yeah, Tom Clancy scenarios like aiming in low light or identifying your targets before you fire on them. Insane! Like you said, identifying your targets by pointing your gun at them seems kinda bad.
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Feb 12, 2015 18:17
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Booourns posted:Like you said, identifying your targets by pointing your gun at them seems kinda bad. Sometimes there are targets in close proximity with with nontargets while you're in low light. And sometimes cops actually do give someone a chance to drop a weapon or obey commands and its hard to see that in the dark without a light. Then consider felony arrests and stops at night. It's standard for cops to arrest even a surrendering violent felon at gun point in the USA. I'd prefer that if they are doing so at night they can see rather than trying to arrest people in the dark with their guns out. Lights on guns are a damned safety feature unless some idiot is using a light on a gun purely as a flashlight when there is no reason to have a gun out. Of all the loving things to whine about, a tool that allows humans to see better before employing deadly force, ffs.
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mlmp08 posted:Sometimes there are targets in close proximity with with nontargets while you're in low light. And sometimes cops actually do give someone a chance to drop a weapon or obey commands and its hard to see that in the dark without a light. Did he need his finger on the trigger while sweeping his gun around for light though?
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RareAcumen posted:Did he need his finger on the trigger while sweeping his gun around for light though? I'm not defending officer Murderface who killed a guy. I'm calling out the incredibly dumb posts that can't fathom why a light would ever be mounted on weapons outside of Tom Clancy novels. Not that hard.
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RareAcumen posted:Did he need his finger on the trigger while sweeping his gun around for light though? The muzzle flash helps illuminate the pitch black darkness that is the suburban environment. #notallcops
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mlmp08 posted:I'm not defending officer Murderface who killed a guy. I'm calling out the incredibly dumb posts that can't fathom why a light would ever be mounted on weapons outside of Tom Clancy novels. Not that hard. Maybe they should go back to Rogers technique with a separate light until they can learn not to point their guns around. Or, since that day will never come, maybe NYPD should quit trying to find equipment-based solutions to problems that arise from inadequate training. And I'll go ahead and reiterate my personal belief that police shouldn't be issued anything more than a J-frame carried in the pocket.
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If the mantra is "don't point a gun at anything you don't want to destroy" having an officer's sole source of light on his gun seems like a REALLY bad plan.
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Feb 12, 2015 19:40
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Radish posted:If the mantra is "don't point a gun at anything you don't want to destroy" having an officer's sole source of light on his gun seems like a REALLY bad plan. Good thing it isn't
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mlmp08 posted:Good thing it isn't Yeah I don't think the NYPD is really clued in to the four rules. Especially the whole "keep your booger hook out of the loving trigger guard" thing.
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SedanChair posted:Yeah I don't think the NYPD is really clued in to the four rules. Especially the whole "keep your booger hook out of the loving trigger guard" thing. I'm sure you're trolling but for those who don't know, even departments that mount lights on pistols issue flashlights. It's far more common to lack a weapon light than lack a flashlight.
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Personally I feel that we should evaluate the pressing question at hand: Do we really need to issue boots to police officers? We've seen some videos of officers stomping suspects and as little actual use there is to a boot, I feel like departments should go with flip-flops. A flip flop still protects your feet and is a shoe, so it should suffice. I'd say reducing stomping on suspects is something we all can agree on.
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Vahakyla posted:Personally I feel that we should evaluate the pressing question at hand: No need. Like taking a toy away from a kid who mistreats it, removing guns from police until they learn how to use them properly seems like a fair compromise.
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mlmp08 posted:I'm sure you're trolling but for those who don't know, even departments that mount lights on pistols issue flashlights. It's far more common to lack a weapon light than lack a flashlight. Are you sure NYPD issues flashlights or do they require their officers to buy them out of pocket?
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There is a thread to ask cop goons some questions and there are multiple NYPD goons there. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3626503
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Vahakyla posted:There is a thread to ask cop goons some questions and there are multiple NYPD goons there. You mean the drunkenly mocking people thread? Besides, I wasn't the one attempting to speak from a position of authority about equipment issuing policy.
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Vahakyla posted:Every thread is like that. Thats why GiP is a lovely forum, correct. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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