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SedanChair posted:What were all those burnt sacrifices for then? Yes, they interpreted some things literally. At least until the temple fell at which point they said "uh yeah that was just about the temple so we can ignore it now." But then again, the entire Talmudic tradition, the tradition of rabbis (and priests) as textual interpreters which is completely contrary to any idea of literalism, etc etc etc. Literalism is a modern invention.
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Well, they probably *thought* of it back in the day, they just didn't think anyone was dumb enough to take it seriously
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Pinterest Mom posted:Rush has advice on how Walker should deal with the college question. I feel like we moved past this a little too quickly. Because 
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thrawn527 posted:I feel like we moved past this a little too quickly. Because It's amazing at how conservatives really cannot stop themselves from talking about Rape all the time.
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V. Illych L. posted:Well, they probably *thought* of it back in the day, they just didn't think anyone was dumb enough to take it seriously St. Augustine did! In fact, he explicitly said that anyone dumb enough to take it seriously was an idiot. (Well, in ancient Latin prose at least.)
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Beamed posted:St. Augustine did! In fact, he explicitly said that anyone dumb enough to take it seriously was an idiot. (Well, in ancient Latin prose at least.) This is true. From De Genisi ad litteram: quote:Often, a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other parts of the world, about the motions and orbits of the stars and even their sizes and distances, … and this knowledge he holds with certainty from reason and experience. It is thus offensive and disgraceful for an unbeliever to hear a Christian talk nonsense about such things, claiming that what he is saying is based in Scripture. We should do all we can to avoid such an embarrassing situation, which people see as ignorance in the Christian and laugh to scorn.
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Religion abandoning stuff science explains is an incredibly recent thing and it has fought it every step of the way.Kalman posted:No, they really weren't. Literalism is a recent development. Maybe the shift back but the origins of religion are pretty much always founded in explaining the world around them. tsa fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Feb 13, 2015 |
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Feb 13, 2015 00:06
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tsa posted:Religion abandoning stuff science explains is an incredibly recent thing and it has fought it every step of the way. no you are actually wrong about this, at least for the major trends in Christianity and Islam the attitude has always* been that science is basically another way of examining god's work Actual religious obscurantism is surprisingly modern. If you want to criticise the old churches, saying that they have had a nasty tendency to support lovely power structures is a much better and more legitimate way of going about it. Even the whole Galileo débacle wasn't so much about obscurantism as Galileo being a huge prick that nobody liked. *by "always" I mean "since they developed any sort of unitary belief structure and evolved from weird esoteric sects into actual organised religions"
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V. Illych L. posted:no you are actually wrong about this, at least for the major trends in Christianity and Islam the attitude has always* been that science is basically another way of examining god's work Right that's what I said. Modern religions move away from it but it's still there in forms. Hence why scientists haven't had the best relationship with churches even after Tommy boy said his thing. I mean even read the passage linked, it's all about keeping the church relevant as science moved forward.
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oh ok i misunderstood then, sorry
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No problem, I should have specified what "recent' meant.
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Wouldn't it be funny if that somehow filtered out into the public consciousness as "Scott Walker dropped out to avoid a rape charge."
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Ben Shapiro, one of the most punchable face of GOP media took on Walkerquote:MEDIA GO COLLECTIVELY INSANE OVER GOP POSITIONS ON EVOLUTION Mr Ice Cream Glove fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Feb 13, 2015 |
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Yes, I'm sure that Hillary Clinton, the most prominent woman in American politics, will be completely stumped if you ask her about abortion.
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lmao instead of being mad that Scott Walker was too stupid to elegantly side-step a question he didn't want to answer he's mad that everyone else isn't just as stupid.
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Saw that this thread blew up, assumed it was about some uninteresting and unrelated argument, was not disappointed. Has anyone even mentioned how Jeb Bush, running on what seems to be a "tech and the future" platform, doxxed a bunch of people this week?
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De Nomolos posted:Has anyone even mentioned how Jeb Bush, running on what seems to be a "tech and the future" platform, doxxed a bunch of people this week? And his CTO was forced to resign over racist Facebook posts. 
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Joementum posted:And his CTO was forced to resign over racist Facebook posts. The GOP front runners are off to a great start. I'm excited. Gonna be a good campaign season.
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Feb 13, 2015 02:37
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Joementum posted:And his CTO was forced to resign over racist Facebook posts. Wait, he had racist ones too? I only saw the ones where he was talking about sluts.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Wait, he had racist ones too? I only saw the ones where he was talking about sluts. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/10/ethan-czahor-jeb-bush-mlk-jr_n_6655220.html quote:The new chief technology officer of former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush's recently formed political action committee, who made headlines this week for previously making inflammatory remarks on Twitter, once praised Martin Luther King Jr. for not speaking in "‘jibberish’ or ‘slang’" as well as for not wearing "pants sagged to his ankles."
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Wait, he had racist ones too? I only saw the ones where he was talking about sluts. Heh. I conflated his Facebook posts and Tweets with those of Aaron Schock's staffer who also had to resign this week. Though it turns out that the Bush guy also published some stuff in college about how black people needed to "pull up their baggy pants", etc.
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Isn't it common knowledge applying to ANY kind of job these days that any idiotic or offensive stuff you might post on Facebook or elsewhere online is likely to be seen and likely to be a liability against your application? Wouldn't that apply times a thousand for any job in politics, either as a candidate or someone important to a campaign?
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Joementum posted:Heh. I conflated his Facebook posts and Tweets with those of Aaron Schock's staffer who also had to resign this week. haha were none of these people screened before they got hired
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Zwabu posted:Isn't it common knowledge applying to ANY kind of job these days that any idiotic or offensive stuff you might post on Facebook or elsewhere online is likely to be seen and likely to be a liability against your application? I don't know about it being common knowledge, but you'd think the Chief Technology Officer would be aware of that sort of thing.
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DaveWoo posted:I don't know about it being common knowledge, but you'd think the Chief Technology Officer would be aware of that sort of thing. That's what got me on the thing. Ostensibly he was hired for his knowledge of social media, so the fact that your social media history sticks with you seems like a thing he should have been aware of.
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DaveWoo posted:I don't know about it being common knowledge, but you'd think the Chief Technology Officer would be aware of that sort of thing. Karnegal posted:That's what got me on the thing. Ostensibly he was hired for his knowledge of social media, so the fact that your social media history sticks with you seems like a thing he should have been aware of. The mistake you're making is in assuming he saw a problem with those tweets.
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Joementum posted:The mistake you're making is in assuming he saw a problem with those tweets. Oh I assume he's probably a bit of a sexist, racist, and/or homophobe, but I just spent a long series of FB posts arguing with people who wanted to paint him as a repentant victim of the bad opinions of his younger self. Though, to my knowledge, he hasn't show any remorse for the content of his posts just the trouble they got him in.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:lmao instead of being mad that Scott Walker was too stupid to elegantly side-step a question he didn't want to answer he's mad that everyone else isn't just as stupid. I'm more amazed at "the LEFTIST MEDIA did their dirty work and made everything in 2012 about abortions" transitioing to "we need to turn this around, and make it about ABORTIONS!"
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forbidden lesbian posted:haha were none of these people screened before they got hired we don't disapprove of what they did, we're only firing them because the liberal media is raising hell about it 
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Yeah there's that whole group that are like "Evolution and poo poo is how God does his thing". They basically use God to fill the blank for poo poo science hasn't figured out so it's more of an agnostic point of view? I generally stay away from arguing about this but if that's what they want to believe then eh. A small group known as the Roman Catholic Church, which is Walker's professed faith. So he's totally wrong.
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Look, Catholicism is open to letting people making up their own minds. Nobody associates the Catholic Church with centralised authority of an elected leader.
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thrawn527 posted:I feel like we moved past this a little too quickly. Because Jesus Christ. How do you become that loving evil and petty?
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Lustful Man Hugs posted:Jesus Christ. How do you become that loving evil and petty? Rush is a ratings whore. He doesn't care why people are paying attention to him.
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The mind-blowing part of the CTO thing was that the campaign was set on keeping him despite most likely knowing about all the awful poo poo in his past. The tweets and stuff started being scrubbed before anybody really knew about any of it. They only fired him because of the backlash over that stuff. Presumably if someone had to tell him to start scrubbing it days before the backlash then it means it was something known within the campaign. ErIog fucked around with this message at 04:42 on Feb 13, 2015 |
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Feb 13, 2015 04:39
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It's hilarious that their new CTO thought that deleting the tweets would actually get rid of them and fix the problem.
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I'm a little surprised this happened with one of Jeb's staffers. It's the kind of thing you'd expect from a scrub-tier campaign like Walker or Perry. I guess the talent pool really is that shallow.
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Please enjoy a tea party poll where you get to pick who you would vote for if the election were today. From the comments I get the impression Sarah Palin is the favorite. http://washingtonisbroke.com/content/If-the-presidential-election-were-today-who-would-you-vote-for Jeb Bush trying to be the tech-savy candidate has very high entertainment value.
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comes along bort posted:I'm a little surprised this happened with one of Jeb's staffers. It's the kind of thing you'd expect from a scrub-tier campaign like Walker or Perry. The talent pool is not that shallow. The pool of, "hey I got this friend who..." is a shallow pool of people of varying quality. This is the same thing that bit Romney in the rear end. You hire your friends, and then it turns out your friends are poo poo at the thing you hired them to do. Usually this can be noticed in a general kind of way like Hillary's campaign in '08. However, technical problems are different. Mistakes in other areas of the campaign are less demonstrable because there's usually not smoking gun technical things that you can easily notice. So on the technology side you get these kind of gaffes because it becomes clear when someone is bad at their job. Putting your campaign on hold to sit in your office during the financial crisis pretending you can do something, that was a major gaffe. You can argue about whether not it was poorly handled or if the idea itself was bad. There is wiggle room. It's subjective. Similarly, rape children are "a gift from god," is a gaffe, but it's an ideological one. The optics on it are a nightmare, but you can understand how a very religious person could say something like that. There are people who agree with Mourdock's sentiment. This technical problem with the e-mails, though, is not subjective. The Bush campaign tried to play it off like it was, but nobody bought it due to it being an easily provable mistake. There is literally no one who would say that it isn't a mistake. There's people who would say it doesn't matter, but that's an issue only of severity. The other thing is that people generally are more likely to delegate more heavily the things they cannot do or cannot understand themselves. This means it's important they have people they trust to handle that stuff, and when it comes down to people who can generally be trusted that means people's friends. Bush and Romney have some campaign acumen. They can spot people who are bad at giving campaign advice faster than people who are giving bad technical advice. This means they get taken for a ride a lot on technical matters, and due to the nature of technical matters those mistakes are easily noticed. It's a perfect honeypot. ErIog fucked around with this message at 13:14 on Feb 13, 2015 |
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Please enjoy a tea party poll where you get to pick who you would vote for if the election were today. From the comments I get the impression Sarah Palin is the favorite. Everyone please vote for Herman Cain in this so we can start a groundswell that gets the Cain Train back out of storage.
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comes along bort posted:I'm a little surprised this happened with one of Jeb's staffers. It's the kind of thing you'd expect from a scrub-tier campaign like Walker or Perry. All of the stuff is what you'd expect a college Republican to think is OK to write. In the past, they'd pen an op-ed for the college paper that would go through a sanity check from an editor who'd tell them to tone it down a bit. Now they just blast it out on social media. We're going to see a lot more of this as kids who were in college during the explosion of social media start getting high-level campaign jobs.
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