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citybeatnik
Mar 1, 2013

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Phobophilia posted:

That guy who killed and hosed a another guy and then mailed body parts to news agencies had been posted about on SA long ago.

History is constantly happening.

Cue theories that SA is actually a MK-ULTRA inspired plot to create a society of spree killers in 3... 2...

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atomicthumbs
Dec 26, 2010


We're in the business of extending man's senses.
I learned about something horrifying today: subacute sclerosing panencephalitis. It's a rare complication of measles, that occurs about once in every 10,000 cases.

Basically, it happens when the measles virus has a mutation and stops expressing certain genes that create certain envelope proteins. This has the effect of letting it survive persistently without provoking an immune response. It does this inside neurons and glial cells in the brain.

Symptoms include "gradual, progressive psychoneurological deterioration, consisting of personality change, seizures, myoclonus, ataxia, photosensitivity, ocular abnormalities, spasticity, and coma."

quote:

The progression of symptoms begins with stage 1—in this stage the individual's behaviour becomes more abnormal and erratic: they can be irritable and personality alterations can occur. This is often accompanied by memory loss and mental deterioration characterised by intellectual difficulty. As the nervous system begins to lose control of movement, the person develops myoclonic spasms/jerks (these being involuntary motions and spasms in extremities). As the disease progresses towards stage 2, the intensity of the spasms and the mental deterioration increases. The spasms can grow to such an extent that loss of the ability to walk can be a common sign. Also, the person will suffer speech impairment and increasingly deteriorated comprehension coupled with difficulty swallowing. The final, advanced stages of SSPE include the steady decline in body function with increased intensity of the stage 2 symptoms/signs and also blindness. At the end of the final stages the person is likely to be mute and/or comatose.

The disease is survivable, as long as it's caught in stage 1. There is a 5% remission rate (i.e. chance the disease will remit or the symptoms improve for a while) overall. Afflicted people have to take inosine pranobex combined with interferon (both really expensive, of course) for the rest of their lives to prevent recurrence. If the disease enters stage 2, things are a bit more bleak:

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For patients in the terminal phase of the disease there is a palliative care and treatment scheme—this involves anticonvulsant therapy (to help with the body's progressive loss of control of the nervous system causing gradually more intensive spasms/convulsions) alongside supportive measures to help maintain vital functioning. It is fairly standard as the infection's spread and symptoms intensify that feeding tubes need to be inserted to keep a nutritional balance. As the disease progresses to its most advanced phase, the patient will need constant nursing as normal bodily function declines to the complete collapse of the nervous system.

If you stop taking your medication, the disease comes back, and your brain continues to decay until your mind is gone and your body's vital functions no longer work.


The top images are brain scans upon a patient's admission to a neurological clinic. The bottom ones are brain scans three months later.

The kicker? The disease is characterized by a history of a primary measles infection (usually before 2 years of age), and then six to fifteen asymptomatic years on average before it shows up. You get infected with measles as a kid for whatever reason, survive that, and then when you're a tween to a teenager it comes back and destroys your brain over several months.

Polaron
Oct 13, 2010

The Oncoming Storm
But no, we don't need vaccines.

Stick Insect
Oct 24, 2010

My enemies are many.

My equals are none.
Links are potentially :nms:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yushchenko#Dioxin_poisoning

Dude campaigned to be president of Ukraine, was poisoned. Unnerving part is that whoever poisoned him, knew he could survive it if they got to it on time. So they used dioxin, which, apart from being really bad for you, also makes you ugly. As a lasting reminder and maybe with the idea that people were less likely to vote for an ugly candidate.

His face now isn't as bad as it was, but still clearly scarred.

He still got to be president though :unsmith:

Similarly, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_throwing

If it doesn't kill you, you're still pretty hosed up for the rest of your life. Not just directly from the injuries, but sometimes also from the stigma that comes with it:

quote:

In some countries such as Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Kuwait, acid attack victims are psychologically persecuted after the acid attack. The media overwhelmingly avoids reporting acid attack related violence; if covered, the description of the attack is minimized, blames the victims, omits women's voices, and treats sympathetically men who commit these crimes.[22]

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000

Stick Insect posted:

Links are potentially :nms:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yushchenko#Dioxin_poisoning

Dude campaigned to be president of Ukraine, was poisoned. Unnerving part is that whoever poisoned him, knew he could survive it if they got to it on time. So they used dioxin, which, apart from being really bad for you, also makes you ugly. As a lasting reminder and maybe with the idea that people were less likely to vote for an ugly candidate.

His face now isn't as bad as it was, but still clearly scarred.

He still got to be president though :unsmith:

Similarly, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_throwing

If it doesn't kill you, you're still pretty hosed up for the rest of your life. Not just directly from the injuries, but sometimes also from the stigma that comes with it:

It also happens in countries where women are valued at less than the dollar value of the acid thrown at them which is bad enough to have to deal with.

Nckdictator
Sep 8, 2006
Just..someone
Let's talk about movies so bad they killed people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_film_accidents


Noah's Ark-1928

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Mjtr6V5hCE

You might see this clip of the Flood scene and think "Wow, how realistic!". Sadly ,you'd be right.

http://www.moviefanfare.com/noahs-ark-1928-film/

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...What the film does do fairly well is offer DeMille-style spectacle, from the train wreck scene (done with models and miniatures) to the flooding of Ur and the Temple of Jaghuth. The problem with the Old Testament sequences–and this turned out to be a major problem–is that Zanuck and Curtiz decided to flood the specially designed sets with nearly 15,000 tons of water instead of relying solely on the aforementioned miniatures. The inherent danger was obvious to head cameraman Hal Mohr, who said to the director, “Jesus, what are you going to do about the extras?,” to which Curtiz allegedly replied “Oh, they’re going to have to take their chances,” leading Mohr to walk off the project. Just as he feared, the torrents of water dumped onto the sets tossed actors and crew members around and slammed them into concrete sets (among the thousands who endured this 1920s version of “water torture” were a pair of struggling actors named John Wayne and Andy Devine–good luck trying to spot them in the final film, though). When the shooting was finished, three extras reportedly drowned, one lost a leg from his injuries, and at least a dozen more suffered broken limbs or other serious injuries. The stars were not immune, either, from their extended time in the ice-cold drink: Williams sustained two broken ribs, O’Brien lost several of his toenails, and “Little Wounded Bird” Costello contracted pneumonia.

Not much info on this one. I'm sure there's a joke here though.

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My Life for Ireland (1941). An anti-British propaganda film made by the Germans. During the epic final battle scene, several extras were killed when one of them stepped on a live land mine.

Ah yes, the infamous Genghis Khan movie starring John Wayne.

quote:

The Conqueror (1956). The exterior scenes were shot on location near St. George, Utah, 137 miles (220 km) downwind of the United States government's Nevada Test Site. In 1953, extensive above-ground nuclear weapons testing had occurred at the test site, as part of Operation Upshot-Knothole. Director Dick Powell died of cancer in January 1963, Pedro Armendáriz was diagnosed with kidney cancer in 1960, and committed suicide in 1963 after he learned his condition had become terminal. Susan Hayward, John Wayne, and Agnes Moorehead all died of cancer in the 1970s. Cast member actor John Hoyt died of lung cancer in 1991. The cast and crew totaled 220 people. By 1981, 91 of them had developed some form of cancer and 46 had died of the disease. Several of Wayne and Hayward's relatives also had cancer scares as well after visiting the set. Michael Wayne developed skin cancer, his brother Patrick Wayne had a benign tumor removed from his breast and Hayward's son Tim Barker had a benign tumor removed from his mouth.

That said, The Conqueror has some amazing lines like

"I feel this Tartar wo-man is for me, and my blood says: take her!"

and

"She is wo-man—MUCH wo-man!"

and

"Know this, wo-man! I take you for wife!"


Caine/Shark -1969

quote:

During production in Mexico in 1967, one of the film's stuntmen was attacked and killed on camera by a shark that was supposed to have been sedated. When the production company used the death to promote the film, (even retitling the film to Shark!)[1] Fuller, who had been arguing with the producers on several major issues relating to the film, quit the production

Catch 22-1970

quote:

Second Unit Director John Jordan refused to wear a harness during a bomber scene and fell out of the open tail turret 4,000 ft. to his death

World War III- 1981

http://www.nytimes.com/1981/05/24/obituaries/boris-sagal-58-movie-director-dies-after-a-helicopter-accident.html

quote:

Boris Sagal, a film director whose most recent movie credits included the ABC television miniseries ''Masada,'' died Friday at a hospital in Portland, Ore., of injuries he suffered five hours earlier after being struck by a helicopter blade. Mr. Sagal was 58 years old.

The accident occurred at the Mount Hood resort of Timberline Lodge, where Mr. Sagal was in the third day of filming the NBC television movie ''World War III,'' starring Rock Hudson and David Soul.

George Brady, a spokesman for the lodge, said the accident occurred just after Mr. Sagal and the film's crew landed in the lodge's parking lot after returning from a day of shooting background scenes for the movie.

Mr. Brady said Mr. Sagal suffered head and shoulder injuries. He was flown 60 miles to Emanuel Hospital in Portland, where he died after emergency surgery. ...


The Twilight Zone Movie, aka Why I don't watch John Landis films

Here's a pretty good article on it. http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2012/07/the_twilight_zone_tragedy_how_vic_morrow_s_death_changed_the_way_films_are_made.html

The accident destroyed Landis's friendship with Steven Spielberg, who blamed him for being reckless.

quote:


Thirty years ago this week, a Hollywood star was decapitated while shooting a scene for a movie. The actor was Vic Morrow, the veteran star of the TV series Combat. He was killed, along with child actors Renee Chen and Myca Dinh Le, by a falling helicopter during filming of The Twilight Zone, a feature-length adaptation of Rod Serling’s television series.

Morrow played a bigot who skipped through time getting a taste of his own medicine. In the scene that would prove fatal, he was earning some Serling-style redemption by trying to rescue a pair of Vietnamese children from an American air raid. Mainly, the setup was an excuse for director John Landis to capture immense explosions on film.

At the controls of the helicopter that was “bombing” the village was Dorcey Wingo, an actual Vietnam veteran. Wingo was new to the movie business, so even when the rehearsal explosions that buffeted his chopper scared him witless, he swallowed his concerns, especially as Landis, who had a reputation for being dictatorial on set, screamed expletives into the California night...

http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/not_guilty/twilight_zone/1.html

quote:

The helicopter went out of control.
In the water, Morrow dropped Renee Chen. He grabbed at her but the helicopter's right skid slammed into the child, killing her. Then its whirling main rotor ripped off the middle-aged actor's head and the head, a shoulder, and an arm of 7-year old My-ca.
"That's a wrap!" John Landis shouted through the loudspeaker and the standard, banal words signaling the end of filming day sounded sickeningly incongruous. "Leave your equipment where it is. Everyone go home. Please, everyone go home.

There's alot more but lets end this on a slightly less down note.

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Rocky IV (1985). Demanding a sense of realism in the boxing match between Rocky Balboa and Ivan Drago, Sylvester Stallone and Dolph Lundgren agreed to legitimately spar with each other. Stallone was airlifted from Canada to St. John's Hospital in Santa Monica, California, and placed on intensive care for eight days after Lundgren delivered a hard punch to his chest, causing his heart to swell and his blood pressure to exceed 200.

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Mak0rz
Aug 2, 2008

😎🐗🚬


This is why it's a bad idea to let Dolph Lundgren punch you.

I. M. Gei
Jun 26, 2005

CHIEFS

BITCH



Mak0rz posted:

This is why it's a bad idea to let Dolph Lundgren punch you.

I'd let Dolph Lundgren punch me.

Dolph Lundgren owns. :allears:

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



One does not let Dolph Lundgren punch you. If he's punching you it's going to happen. The stupid thing was requesting to be punched.

Literally Kermit
Mar 4, 2012
t

Nckdictator posted:

Ah yes, the infamous Genghis Khan movie starring John Wayne.


That said, The Conqueror has some amazing lines like

"I feel this Tartar wo-man is for me, and my blood says: take her!"

and

"She is wo-man—MUCH wo-man!"

and

"Know this, wo-man! I take you for wife!"

The Conqueror was also famous for having been produced by Howard Hughes, who is a whole other ball game when it comes to unnerving. Brilliant mind, which earned him incredible money, which he spend in ways that could be construed as... less than sane.

I won't do the man justice with an effort-post - but if you're not at all familiar with him, he's still very much in the public consciousness. As an example, Mr. House, one of the major casino factions in Fallout: New Vegas, is heavily based on Hughes. And in the episode of the Simpsons where Mr. Burns opens a casino, he eventually turns into a straight-up parody of what Hughes allegedly did/became, including saving up jars of his urine.

Speaking of pissing radioactive, back to The Conq. Hughes produced the film, and being a notorious control freak, almost certainly made the decision to film downwind of a loving nuclear test site. At the time, it was poorly understood just what impact nuke testing had on the environment, and thanks in part to all the cases of cancer that started popping up years later, we now know the answer is 'a loving lot'.

After the film flopped, Hughes bought up all the prints and locked it away - and watched it obsessively along with his line-up of Ice Station Zebra and, uh, Ice Station Zebra. Whether this was out of guilt for his role in exposing the cast and crew (and their families, since a lot visited that set) or just simple ego for removing a perceived failure from public circulation isn't known, but in fairness to Hughes, mental illness and ego aside, he really did try and make great things to better mankind.

The Conqueror was not one of those.

The North Tower
Aug 20, 2007

You should throw it in the ocean.

Literally Kermit posted:

The Conqueror was also famous for having been produced by Howard Hughes, who is a whole other ball game when it comes to unnerving. Brilliant mind, which earned him incredible money, which he spend in ways that could be construed as... less than sane.

I won't do the man justice with an effort-post - but if you're not at all familiar with him, he's still very much in the public consciousness. As an example, Mr. House, one of the major casino factions in Fallout: New Vegas, is heavily based on Hughes. And in the episode of the Simpsons where Mr. Burns opens a casino, he eventually turns into a straight-up parody of what Hughes allegedly did/became, including saving up jars of his urine.

Speaking of pissing radioactive, back to The Conq. Hughes produced the film, and being a notorious control freak, almost certainly made the decision to film downwind of a loving nuclear test site. At the time, it was poorly understood just what impact nuke testing had on the environment, and thanks in part to all the cases of cancer that started popping up years later, we now know the answer is 'a loving lot'.

After the film flopped, Hughes bought up all the prints and locked it away - and watched it obsessively along with his line-up of Ice Station Zebra and, uh, Ice Station Zebra. Whether this was out of guilt for his role in exposing the cast and crew (and their families, since a lot visited that set) or just simple ego for removing a perceived failure from public circulation isn't known, but in fairness to Hughes, mental illness and ego aside, he really did try and make great things to better mankind.

The Conqueror was not one of those.

Prince is the modern Howard Hughes.

Khazar-khum
Oct 22, 2008

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:
2nd Battalion
Martha Mansfield was a silent star. She died during the filming of the 'Warrens of Virginia'.

quote:

On November 29, 1923, while working on location in San Antonio, Texas on the film The Warrens of Virginia, Mansfield was severely burned when a tossed match ignited her Civil War costume of hoopskirts and flimsy ruffles. Mansfield was playing the role of Agatha Warren and had just finished her scenes and retired to a car when her clothing burst into flames. Her neck and face were saved when leading man Wilfred Lytell threw his heavy overcoat over her. The chauffeur of Mansfield's car was burned badly on his hands while trying to remove the burning clothing from the actress. The fire was put out, but she sustained substantial burns to her body.[7]

She was rushed to a hospital where she died less than twenty-four hours later of "burns of all extremities, general toxemia and suppression of urine".[8] Mansfield was 24 years old. Accompanied by actor Phillip Shorey, Mansfield's body was transported back to her home in New York City.[6] She was interred at the Woodlawn Cemetery in The Bronx.[9]

It was never determined who threw the match that ignited Mansfield's clothing. Some witnesses said they saw a match enter through the window of the car Mansfield was sitting in. Another theory was that a nervous Mansfield decided to smoke a cigarette in the car to calm her nerves and accidentally ignited the dress with a dropped match or a cigarette. Mansfield's mother, Harriett Ehrlich, dismissed this theory as she said smoking made her daughter "uncomfortable".[8

Buh
May 17, 2008
There's already been like three or four goon murderers, we passed that point years ago. Someone with a better memory please to list them ITT

Oh Hell No
Oct 10, 2007

I've got the world on a string.


Khazar-khum posted:

Martha Mansfield was a silent star. She died during the filming of the 'Warrens of Virginia'.

Sadly, quite a few women actually did die the same way back when that style of dress was in fashion.

quote:

The New York Times first reported the phenomenon of crinoline-related casualties in 1858, when a young Boston woman, standing by the mantel in her parlor, caught fire and within minutes was entirely consumed by flames—an unfortunate incident that came on the heels of nineteen such deaths in England in a two-month period. Witnesses, impeded by their own crinolines, were forced to watch the victims burn. “Certainly an average of three deaths per week from crinolines in conflagration,” the Times admonished, “ought to startle the most thoughtless of the privileged sex.” A similar tragedy occurred shortly thereafter in Philadelphia, when nine ballerinas burned to death at the Continental Theatre.

ultrabindu
Jan 28, 2009
I understand that Hughes went pretty loopy in his final years, I've read the wiki but it's kind of dry. If anyone would do a effort post on him I'd love to read it and would very much appreciate it.

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

quote:

The New York Times first reported the phenomenon of crinoline-related casualties in 1858, when a young Boston woman, standing by the mantel in her parlor, caught fire and within minutes was entirely consumed by flames—an unfortunate incident that came on the heels of nineteen such deaths in England in a two-month period. Witnesses, impeded by their own crinolines, were forced to watch the victims burn. “Certainly an average of three deaths per week from crinolines in conflagration,” the Times admonished, “ought to startle the most thoughtless of the privileged sex.” A similar tragedy occurred shortly thereafter in Philadelphia, when nine ballerinas burned to death at the Continental Theatre.

What the gently caress? When three people a week start exploding into fiery infernos, then maybe it's time to stop wearing that bit of clothing. How were people just ok with the fact that they might go up like a match at any moment?

Nouvelle Vague
Feb 16, 2011

Endut! Hoch Hech!

Captain Monkey posted:

What the gently caress? When three people a week start exploding into fiery infernos, then maybe it's time to stop wearing that bit of clothing. How were people just ok with the fact that they might go up like a match at any moment?

Fashion (also, the more restrained a woman was = the hotter).

People have a long history of loving up their bodies/dying to look hot: foundation powders with lead in them, foot-binding, corsets in general..

Not that dudes had it any better.

Nouvelle Vague has a new favorite as of 17:41 on Feb 12, 2015

Polaron
Oct 13, 2010

The Oncoming Storm

Captain Monkey posted:

What the gently caress? When three people a week start exploding into fiery infernos, then maybe it's time to stop wearing that bit of clothing. How were people just ok with the fact that they might go up like a match at any moment?

Wasn't there a clothing fabric back in the 60s or 70s that would melt when exposed to heat?

InediblePenguin
Sep 27, 2004

I'm strong. And a giant penguin. Please don't eat me. No, really. Don't try.

Polaron posted:

Wasn't there a clothing fabric back in the 60s or 70s that would melt when exposed to heat?

synthetic fabrics which do this are still in use

never, EVER weld while wearing a polyester shirt

I. M. Gei
Jun 26, 2005

CHIEFS

BITCH



Captain Monkey posted:

What the gently caress? When three people a week start exploding into fiery infernos, then maybe it's time to stop wearing that bit of clothing. How were people just ok with the fact that they might go up like a match at any moment?

News of stories like that — or stories in general, really — was a lot harder for people to come by back then, since it was still a long time before the inventions of things like the TV and CNN. They had newspapers, but you're talking about an era when married women didn't normally leave their homes without male escorts, and when not even all of the men could read.

InediblePenguin
Sep 27, 2004

I'm strong. And a giant penguin. Please don't eat me. No, really. Don't try.

Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:

News of stories like that — or stories in general, really — was a lot harder for people to come by back then, since it was still a long time before the inventions of things like the TV and CNN. They had newspapers, but you're talking about an era when married women didn't normally leave their homes without male escorts, and when not even all of the men could read.

On the other hand, people whose social class meant they were illiterate were usually people whose social class meant they couldn't afford to wear crinolines, which were not really inexpensive.

I. M. Gei
Jun 26, 2005

CHIEFS

BITCH



InediblePenguin posted:

On the other hand, people whose social class meant they were illiterate were usually people whose social class meant they couldn't afford to wear crinolines, which were not really inexpensive.

That's true, I guess. But still, the circulation of news was pretty limited at that time. It's not hard to understand why some women might not have heard/known about something like until it was too late.

MatildaTheHun
Aug 31, 2011

here's the thing donovan, I'm always hungry
1850s New York City isn't a backwater dude.

mostlygray
Nov 1, 2012

BURY ME AS I LIVED, A FREE MAN ON THE CLUTCH

Polaron posted:

Wasn't there a clothing fabric back in the 60s or 70s that would melt when exposed to heat?

When I was a kid and we would burn fields, ditches, etc. My grandpa always told me to wear wool or cotton pants. Apparently, he had melted his pants to his leg once when wearing polyester.

Nckdictator
Sep 8, 2006
Just..someone
Crossposting from D&D.



No religious movie has had as bad luck as Mohammad, Messenger of God (made by Moustapha Akkad, who financed the Halloween movies

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Message_%281976_film%29


quote:

...when the film was scheduled to premier in the United States another Muslim extremist group staged a siege against the Washington, D.C. chapter of the B'nai B'rith under the mistaken belief that Anthony Quinn played Mohammed in the film, threatening to blow up the building and its inhabitants unless the film's opening was cancelled. The standoff was resolved" after the deaths of a journalist and a policeman, but "the film's American box office prospects never recovered from the unfortunate controversy."


"I did the film because it is a personal thing for me. Besides its production values as a film, it has its story, its intrigue, its drama. Besides all this I think there was something personal, being a Muslim myself who lived in the west I felt that it was my obligation my duty to tell the truth about Islam. It is a religion that has a 700 million following, yet it's so little known about which surprised me. I thought I should tell the story that will bring this bridge, this gap to the west."

Flash foward to 2005 and poor Moustapha Akkad's working on a movie about Saladin (played by Sean Connery!?)

"..Saladin exactly portrays Islam. Right now, Islam is portrayed as a terrorist religion. Because a few terrorists are Muslims, the whole religion has that image. If there ever was a religious war full of terror, it was the Crusades. But you can't blame Christianity because a few adventurers did this. That's my message"

Sadly..

quote:

Al Akkad and his 34-year-old daughter, Rima Akkad Monla, were killed in the November 9, 2005 Amman bombings in Amman, Jordan.[

Moustapha Akkad's one of the tragic stories in modern film making.


Mohammad, Messenger of God is interesting in itself for how it tried to tackle the problem of making a movie about Mohammad, without showing Mohammad.

quote:

In accordance with Muslim beliefs regarding depictions of Muhammad, he was not depicted on-screen nor was his voice heard because Islamic tradition generally forbids any direct representation of religious figures. At the beginning of the film, the following disclaimer is displayed:

"The makers of this film honour the Islamic tradition which holds that the impersonation of the Prophet offends against the spirituality of his message. Therefore, the person of Mohammad will not be shown (or heard)."

This rule extended to his wives, his daughters including Fatimah, his sons-in-law, and the first caliphs (Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, and Ali ibn Talib his paternal cousin). This left Muhammad's uncle Hamza (Anthony Quinn) and his adopted son Zayd (Damien Thomas) as the central characters. During the battles of Badr and Uhud depicted in the movie, Hamza was in nominal command, even though the actual fighting was led by Muhammad.

Whenever Muhammad was present or very close by, his presence was indicated by light organ music. His words, as he spoke them, were repeated by someone else such as Hamza, Zayd or Bilal. When a scene called for him to be present, the action was filmed from his point of view. Others in the scene nodded to the unheard dialogue or moved with the camera as though moving with Muhammad.

The closest the film comes to a depiction of Muhammad or his immediate family are the view of Ali's famous two-pronged sword Zulfiqar during the battle scenes, a glimpse of a staff in the scenes at the Kaaba or in Medina, and Muhammad's camel, Qaswa.

I've never seen the movie but from a pure film geek standpoint that whole situation is fascinating.

lambeth
Aug 31, 2009
The Russian film Stalker also caused a number of deaths, including the director, due to being shot near a chemical plant.

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Several people involved in the film production — including Tarkovsky — had met deaths, which some crew members attribute to the film's long, arduous shooting schedule in toxic locations. Sound designer Vladimir Sharun recalls:

We were shooting near Tallinn in the area around the small river Jägala with a half-functioning hydroelectric station. Up the river was a chemical plant and it poured out poisonous liquids downstream. There is even this shot in Stalker: snow falling in the summer and white foam floating down the river. In fact it was some horrible poison. Many women in our crew got allergic reactions on their faces. Tarkovsky died from cancer of the right bronchial tube. And Tolya Solonitsyn too. That it was all connected to the location shooting for Stalker became clear to me when Larisa Tarkovskaya died from the same illness in Paris.[9]

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you

Khazar-khum posted:

Martha Mansfield was a silent star. She died during the filming of the 'Warrens of Virginia'.

There's no way she kept quiet during all of that

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit

Buh posted:

There's already been like three or four goon murderers, we passed that point years ago. Someone with a better memory please to list them ITT

Clarification, the gay porn actor who murdered a dude and mailed out his body parts wasn't an actual goon. He was posted to this site in the context of Karla Homolka. What had happened was that the guy had been spreading rumours across the internet that he had married Homolka. And when you googled the guy's name, nothing came up, which was quite confusing.

That murder was part of a PR campaign for him to become famous.

The cops caught him in a net cafe while he was searching for himself.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Nckdictator posted:

Ah yes, the infamous Genghis Khan movie starring John Wayne.

I just posted about this in CD the other day. Most of The Conqueror's reputation as a deadly movie is a result of people going, "Aha! They got cancer! It must have been from working on the film!" even though the cases occurred over decades and the number of people who worked on the film and got cancer wasn't significantly greater than the cancer rate in the general population.

The Conqueror's Wikipedia Entry posted:

However, the odds of developing cancer for men in the U.S. population are 43 percent and the odds of dying of cancer are 23 percent (38 percent and 19 percent, respectively, for women).[15] This places the cancer mortality rate for the 220 primary cast and crew very near the expected average.

Edit: I thought of a related Wikipedia article that people might not know much about : Cancer clusters. They're pretty tricky because while they might indicate a problem, at the same time they'd occur pretty regularly just due to statistical probability.

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A cluster is more likely to be "genuine" if the case consists of one type of cancer, a rare type of cancer, or a type of cancer that is not usually found in a certain age group. Between 5% to 15% of suspected cancer clusters are statistically significant.

So out of all the times people go, "Hey, there's a lot of people around here getting cancer..." it turns out to actually be a problem only about ten percent of the time.

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Buh
May 17, 2008
Every day I drive past the ABC Centre Brisbane, which closed about ten years ago because of a cancer cluster. There were only like 11 people affected, over the course of years (it was one of those cases were a few happen together than every one that's every happened retroactively becomes part of the trend).

They tested the building in every imaginable way for a possible cause, and found nothing. But once the idea was in people's heads there was no going back (particularly because, for obvious reasons, it got huge amounts of media exposure). It's a massive building right on the riverfront and it will be closed forever because the moment any worker in that building gets cancer, hysteria will break out again and everyone will be sued to oblivion. They kept the 'for sale' sign up for a few years of misguided optimism but at this point they've given up forever.

Nckdictator
Sep 8, 2006
Just..someone

Random Stranger posted:

I just posted about this in CD the other day. Most of The Conqueror's reputation as a deadly movie is a result of people going, "Aha! They got cancer! It must have been from working on the film!" even though the cases occurred over decades and the number of people who worked on the film and got cancer wasn't significantly greater than the cancer rate in the general population.


Edit: I thought of a related Wikipedia article that people might not know much about : Cancer clusters. They're pretty tricky because while they might indicate a problem, at the same time they'd occur pretty regularly just due to statistical probability.


So out of all the times people go, "Hey, there's a lot of people around here getting cancer..." it turns out to actually be a problem only about ten percent of the time.

I wasn't aware of any of that! Thank you.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Nckdictator posted:

I wasn't aware of any of that! Thank you.

FWIW, I wouldn't completely dismiss the possibility that some of the people who worked on The Conqueror got cancer as a result of some kind of exposure while working on it. The cancer rate on the film was a bit higher than normal. Just that it's reputation as a killer movie is overblown.

One aspect to this is that all roughly 200 people involved were all exposed to the same risk the same way. So that means that you'd expect the same types of cancer to develop at roughly the same rate (yes, you could expect some pretty wide error bars there; I'm using a broad brush for the sake of explanation), and yet the most commonly cited "victims" developed a huge variety of cancers over a fairly wide period of time. John Wayne, for example, developed lung cancer a few years later but he also was a heavy smoker. He later died of stomach cancer but twenty years after making The Conqueror.

Chillbro Baggins
Oct 8, 2004
Bad Angus! Bad!

InediblePenguin posted:

never, EVER weld while wearing a polyester shirt

My dad was an HVAC installer (retired, not killed in a Freon accident). One time he was brazing a joint in the copper pipe that carries the Freon, and a bit of moisture got in the joint and boiled, splashing tiny drops of molten copper on the front of his Dickies workshirt, which instantly burned away in a cartoonish fireball, taking his chest hair and half his beard with it. It was pretty hilarious to everybody but him, and he saw the humor in it once his singed nipples healed. And from thn on, only wore cotton shirts when using the torch.

Literally Kermit
Mar 4, 2012
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Random Stranger posted:

FWIW, I wouldn't completely dismiss the possibility that some of the people who worked on The Conqueror got cancer as a result of some kind of exposure while working on it. The cancer rate on the film was a bit higher than normal. Just that it's reputation as a killer movie is overblown.

One aspect to this is that all roughly 200 people involved were all exposed to the same risk the same way. So that means that you'd expect the same types of cancer to develop at roughly the same rate (yes, you could expect some pretty wide error bars there; I'm using a broad brush for the sake of explanation), and yet the most commonly cited "victims" developed a huge variety of cancers over a fairly wide period of time. John Wayne, for example, developed lung cancer a few years later but he also was a heavy smoker. He later died of stomach cancer but twenty years after making The Conqueror.

So it's about as valid as the "curse" of King Tut, basically.

emoji
Jun 4, 2004
Scary stuff

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The Goiânia accident was a radioactive contamination accident that occurred on September 13, 1987, at Goiânia, in the Brazilian state of Goiás, after an old radiotherapy source was stolen from an abandoned hospital site in the city. It was subsequently handled by many people, resulting in four deaths. About 112,000 people were examined for radioactive contamination and 249 were found to have significant levels of radioactive material in or on their bodies.

[url=http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=dog+vision+http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FARXpo37.jpg]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goi%C3%A2nia_accident[/url

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weak wrists big dick
Dec 18, 2012

good job. you are getting legitametly upset because I won't confrom to your secret internet cliques gross social standards. Sorry I don't like anime. Sorry I don't like being gross on the internet. Sorry that you are getting caremad.


your stupid shit internet argument is also only half true once I get probated, so checkmate anyways but nice try.

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Fuckin hilarious. Good job. 10/10, wow I never saw that coming. That was loving amazing. I hope you're loving proud of
yourself you HILARIOUS motherfucker. I've never seen that before.
5'd. Masterstroke. Goldmine. Upvoted. You definitely aren't ruining this thread. I hope you never die so we can enjoy your posting FOREVER

Have a fuckin' article.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaumont_children_disappearance

Edit: I mean really, you did a good job. I've never been trolled before and this is my first day on the internet

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Steampunk iPhone
Sep 2, 2009

by XyloJW

Noose Induce posted:

Fuckin hilarious. Good job. 10/10, wow I never saw that coming. That was loving amazing. I hope you're loving proud of
yourself you HILARIOUS motherfucker. I've never seen that before.
5'd. Masterstroke. Goldmine. Upvoted. You definitely aren't ruining this thread. I hope you never die so we can enjoy your posting FOREVER

Have a fuckin' article.

:nms: :nws: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaumont_children_disappearance <--- Do not click

Uhh, what the gently caress? That link leads to pics of an ISIS beheading.

Are you trying to be ironic? It's not funny at all.

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weak wrists big dick
Dec 18, 2012

good job. you are getting legitametly upset because I won't confrom to your secret internet cliques gross social standards. Sorry I don't like anime. Sorry I don't like being gross on the internet. Sorry that you are getting caremad.


your stupid shit internet argument is also only half true once I get probated, so checkmate anyways but nice try.

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Hahaha have another one you funny motherfucker

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bose-Einstein_condensate

Edit: good job guys.

yeah actually they will
Aug 18, 2012
I absolutely FREAKED out when I read this one, gang. Pretty shocking stuff: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death

quote:

Almost all animals who survive external hazards to their biological functioning eventually die from biological aging, known in life sciences as “senescence”.
[emphasis mine]

It's incredibly scary to be reading about this for the first time on Friday the 13th... is my computer haunted, or what? :ohdear:

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Morzhovyye
Mar 2, 2013

no they will not posted:

I absolutely FREAKED out when I read this one, gang. Pretty shocking stuff: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death
[emphasis mine]

It's incredibly scary to be reading about this for the first time on Friday the 13th... is my computer haunted, or what? :ohdear:

this thread is gay, and so are you

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