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Rorac
Aug 19, 2011

Ensign Expendable posted:

This is basically what heroic resistance and the "you did your own HP in damage" medal are.


At least the heroic resistance means you did something significant. The latter one generally isn't worth the pixels used to display it.

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saintonan
Dec 7, 2009

Fields of glory shine eternal

CitizenKain posted:

Its neat but not 50 dollars of neat. You can get a WZ-131 and get the same experience. Not worth the money at all.

Note that this Type 62 deal comes with 4k gold and 30 days of premium, so the tank isn't 50 bucks by itself.


PirateBob posted:

They're all good or decent. Even Sturer Emil with the upgraded gun is workable.

It's an extreme tank design - getting good guns and good camo at the expense of everything else. With recent map changes making long-range sniping less favorable, they're less good, but if that's a playstyle a player likes, those tanks are the ideal implementation of it.

Fat Jesus
Jul 13, 2011

to ride eternal, shiny and chrome

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2023


Sturer Emil has good camo?

Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012
Sturer is so slow and fat that it isn't fun to play. The reason why the Nashorn and Rhoomba are good is because they're fast. I'm pretty sure only the Rhoomba has good camo too.

Axetrain
Sep 14, 2007

Sturer has no way to protect itself. No Armor, no mobility, no camo, and your as big as a house. The gun is pretty good but it still sucks.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Slim Jim Pickens posted:

Sturer is so slow and fat that it isn't fun to play. The reason why the Nashorn and Rhoomba are good is because they're fast. I'm pretty sure only the Rhoomba has good camo too.

Rhoomba. Fast.

What the hell's up with my slow aim-bloomy trashpile then?

Jack_tripper
Jun 7, 2009

Axetrain posted:

Sturer has no way to protect itself. No Armor, no mobility, no camo, and your as big as a house. The gun is pretty good but it still sucks.

thank god they're cutting the view range, wouldn't want it to have any strengths at all

Steelion
Aug 2, 2009

xthetenth posted:

Rhoomba. Fast.

What the hell's up with my slow aim-bloomy trashpile then?


Well I dunno about fast but compared to the Emil, which only compares favorably to the T95, it's blistering.

JuffoWup
Mar 28, 2012
so there is an on track going on as well for the 140. The t54 is included as getting a x2 crew xp. Does this mean the t54 gets something like x5 crew xp right now?

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Yes and it's very very awesome.

JuffoWup
Mar 28, 2012

Terrorist Fistbump posted:

Yes and it's very very awesome.

I hate t8+ tanking without sixth sense, but I may have to do it just to finish getting that crew trained out as well. Need a new medium crew for the 62a eventually.

Terrorist Fistbump
Jan 29, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
The T-54 does well even with a conservative playstyle. Load HEAT and snipe everyone while hiding across the map in a bush. Then troll everyone who whines.

Moral_Hazard
Aug 21, 2012

Rich Kid of Insurancegram

Rorac posted:

At least the heroic resistance means you did something significant. The latter one generally isn't worth the pixels used to display it.

For new players like me, it's a decent benchmark of, "You didn't suck too badly." Double hitpoints and I know I did decent.

I also love getting the "spotter" award in a heavy. Last game was 1369 in spotting damage.

Ensign Expendable
Nov 11, 2008

Lager beer is proof that god loves us
Pillbug
How Tanks Learned to Fight

European strategists planned on finishing up the war that erupted in August of 1914 in only a few weeks. Many young officers were afraid that they would not have time to prove their bravery on the battlefield. Sadly, both groups were mistaken. Not that much time elapsed before the war ended up in a positional dead end. All offensives ended up the same: hundreds, sometimes tens of meters of progress at a horrible cost in human lives.

Both sides of the conflict looked for a solution, inventing more and more new types of weapons until one September morning in 1916, the sound of tracks and tank engines filled the air.

Perfect Theory and Flawed Practice

The British military theorist Ernest Swinton and French Jean-Baptiste Etienne proved the need for tanks on the battlefield and described in detail how they should be used. They wrote that tanks should be used suddenly, in large numbers, and only on appropriate terrain. Here, Swinton immediately made the note that there is often a gap between theory and practice.

That was exactly what happened in first tank battles. The army, exhausted by battles at the Somme, needed hope for a victory. Not in a year or two, but now. There was no time to save up tanks, train crews, and practise cooperation with infantry. Any delay could mean loss of initiative to the Germans. This is why instead of armoured armadas, only 32 tanks went into battle on September 15th, 1916. Five got stuck in mud or craters, and nine had their engines break down, but the rest reached their battlefield.

Of course, the first tank attack shocked the Germans. However, the miserly amount of tanks failed to influence the entire front, and the Germans quickly regained their courage and no longer fled from the "devils" that appeared on the battlefield. They fought against tanks, and with some success. Grandiose claims of overwhelming success in Entente press had little in common with the truth.

Swinton's cautions were confirmed in the first battle, and the situation repeated itself with some regularity. Tanks attacked through a pock-marked landscape, got stuck in it without the aid of engineers, and were destroyed by enemy fire. Infantry followed tanks clumsily, German machineguns mowed down anyone who was visible between the tanks, and many soldiers died from fragments of shells that exploded on the tanks' armour. Tanks without infantry were easy prey for the enemy. Tanks were supposed to be a wonder weapon, but resulted in little more than disappointment and criticism.

Infantry's Low Priority Escort

Despite all that, tanks were seen as a useful invention. By the end of the war in 1918, armoured forces began to take shape. Due to technical limitations, their vehicles could not perform any tasks independently. Tanks worked tightly with infantry, and there were rigid rules about how it was done.

A tank attack was to start at dawn, so drivers could see. Excess noise was to be avoided. Tanks travelled in groups of three: while the front tank suppressed the enemy, the other two cut a path through the wire for infantry. Each tank had no more than a platoon of infantry (25-30 men) accompanying it. Tanks made very narrow openings in barbed wire, so too many soldiers would create a crowd that was vulnerable to enemy fire.

Infantry split up into three groups. The first group destroyed the enemies in trenches with the aid of tanks. The third group marked openings on the wire and guarded them from enemy counterattacks. The last group assisted the first two and other attacking infantry.

The most important thing for infantry was to not lose contact with tanks. Armoured vehicles could cover it, force the enemy to withdraw, or just distract advancing enemies. When attacking a village or a forest, some tanks would attempt to get into the enemy flank or rear. Maneuvers were concealed with a smoke screen. Some tanks were left behind to protect flanks.

If there was a delay, the tanks were supposed to take cover. After that, tank commanders and gunners were to leave the tank, meet up with infantry commanders, and discuss further action.

Definitive Success: Battle of Hamel

A classic example of a competent tank attack was the battle at Hamel on July 4th, 1918. Before its start, cooperation between tanks and infantry was drilled thoroughly. In order to "befriend" the soldiers and these fairly esoteric vehicles, a proper name was painted on each one. This simplified communications and improved morale. During training, tanks crossed real trenches and barbed wire. Soldiers not only rode on and in tanks, but were given a chance to drive them.

The Entente carefully examined enemy positions. Aircraft were constantly flying over the front lines. In the morning, the artillery and machineguns started firing suddenly. The Germans didn't know if it would be an offensive or just another day of a positional war.

When the real attack started, the noise of tank engines were drowned out by aircraft. This trick was used several times, such as when attacking Amiens in August of 1918 or by the Red Army during Operation Bagration in 1944.

60 new MkV tanks participated in the offensive. Vehicles followed the creeping artillery barrage closely. Every 3-4 minutes, the barrage shifted forward by 100 meters. Tanks proved very helpful when fighting machinegunners. As a result, the Entente captured about 1500 prisoners and many weapons, including brand new anti-tank rifles.

Support in battle was also carefully practised. Each tank carried two crates of ammunition, magazines for Lewis guns, and drinking water. They were in turn supported by tanks converted to armoured carriers. Four of these vehicles delivered over 20 tons of supplies only half an hour after enemy positions were captured: ammunition, grenades, water, barbed wire, and stakes. For the first time in history, aircraft didn't just perform reconnaissance from the air, but dropped supplies for infantry with parachutes.

The commander of the operation, Australian General John Monash, later wrote: "everything was decided within 93 minutes".

And so, within two years, tanks made their journey from questionable novelties to a fully fledged type of forces. Here, the evolution of offensive tank tactics stopped. Europe was tired of war. Although there were many conflicts between 1918 and 1939, they were mostly local. Experience gained from them was limited and specialized. When a new large war started, tank tactics had to be learned anew from almost nothing.

KonigRasnake
Mar 20, 2014

Simply trying to enjoy some lemonade and magic-head.
Pubbies are still in fact pants-on-head retarded.



and just for lols

SoUncool
Oct 21, 2010
The one where a KV-1 does 2.6k damage

CitizenKain
May 27, 2001

That was Gary Cooper, asshole.

Nap Ghost
Althought I free xp'd to the 128mm gun on the Emil, I enjoyed the tank. It has a ton of downsides, but its upside is having great gun depression and a goddamn 128mm gun at tier 7. If you play to its strengths, it can work well. Also its loads of fun nailing a tier 5 for 95% of its health with a single shot.

No bid COVID
Jul 22, 2007



rossmum posted:

The last thing the game needs is more loving TDs.

Also I give up. Not even going to try for the T-55, because I can't even get the StuG. Too bad the same account is used across all three games or I'd try flog my WoT account to some retard who thinks buying a blue account will make them not poo poo.
When are you even on anymore? I need a reliable platoon for these missions.

NTRabbit
Aug 15, 2012

i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches




The T49 basically demonstrates that they can apply their only balancing method, "give each new tank a bigger gun", even to light tanks.

When they add European light tanks expect them to have a higher penetrating and higher damage or faster firing version of the 251 gun, and the Japanese lights will have a 2 shot autoloading version of the T49 gun that has a gold HESH shell.

CitizenKain posted:

Althought I free xp'd to the 128mm gun on the Emil, I enjoyed the tank. It has a ton of downsides, but its upside is having great gun depression and a goddamn 128mm gun at tier 7. If you play to its strengths, it can work well. Also its loads of fun nailing a tier 5 for 95% of its health with a single shot.

I also liked Emil with the 128mm

NTRabbit fucked around with this message at 05:48 on Feb 14, 2015

Dalael
Oct 14, 2014
Hello. Yep, I still think Atlantis is Bolivia, yep, I'm still a giant idiot, yep, I'm still a huge racist. Some things never change!

NTRabbit posted:

The T49 basically demonstrates that they can apply their only balancing method, "give each new tank a bigger gun", even to light tanks.

When they add European light tanks expect them to have a higher penetrating and higher damage or faster firing version of the 251 gun, and the Japanese lights will have a 2 shot autoloading version of the T49 gun that has a gold HESH shell.


I also liked Emil with the 128mm

Its really sad that Advanced Wars had a better balance than this game does.

Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

NEVER FUCKING TAKE A NIGHT OFF CLAN WARS.

Dalael posted:

Its really sad that Advanced Wars had a better balance than this game does.

Please do not take Advanced Wars's name in vain.

Rorac
Aug 19, 2011

Dalael posted:

Its really sad that Advanced Wars had a better balance than this game does.


Goddamn it with the 8-bit graphics tanks out there I want to see to-scale Advance Wars tanks as a bonus mode now.

kinkouin
Nov 7, 2014

KonigRasnake posted:

Pubbies are still in fact pants-on-head retarded.



and just for lols



You're similarly retarded for not using timg...

Truck Stop Daddy
Apr 17, 2013

A janitor cleans the bathroom

Muldoon
accuracy nerf was completely destructive to the flow of the game. instead of doing fast peeks and firing or shooting on the move, you now have to stop and aim if you are to have any chance of hitting your shots. unaimed shots seems to hit a completely random point within your aimcircle, no bias towards the middle at all. its terrible

srb
Jul 24, 2007
So finish grinding the 50 120 before 9.6 hits in NA, then.

Truck Stop Daddy
Apr 17, 2013

A janitor cleans the bathroom

Muldoon

Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

NEVER FUCKING TAKE A NIGHT OFF CLAN WARS.

And you Euros say that chat trolling doesn't work on the EU server.

Creamed Cormp
Jan 8, 2011

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Wait, are there seriously people who think the T49 is overpowered? In a game where the AMX13-90 exists?

loving lol

Truck Stop Daddy
Apr 17, 2013

A janitor cleans the bathroom

Muldoon

Hellsau posted:

And you Euros say that chat trolling doesn't work on the EU server.

he was a cdc reroll, so i kindly shot him for 1100 the moment i had my first shell loaded and blamed lag.

Gervasius
Nov 2, 2010



Grimey Drawer

Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

NEVER FUCKING TAKE A NIGHT OFF CLAN WARS.
Wait he admitted to a second account? Report that and he gets banned.

Truck Stop Daddy
Apr 17, 2013

A janitor cleans the bathroom

Muldoon


hmm

e: wtf why did you get a message schlock?

e2: jesus christ he cares tho

Truck Stop Daddy fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Feb 14, 2015

Soulfucker
Feb 15, 2012

i,m going to kill myself on friday #wow #whoa
Fun Shoe

Schlock :allears:

edit: here is the replay for reference: http://wotreplays.com/site/1621198#team

Atal Vataman posted:



hmm

e: wtf why did you get a message schlock?

Probably because my reputation is sullied thanks to me being featured by the Detective Gamer in Wanker of the Week 3: 5 FPS edition

Soulfucker fucked around with this message at 16:21 on Feb 14, 2015

Gervasius
Nov 2, 2010



Grimey Drawer
If he answers I will forward him to our Complaint and Pubbie Relations department:

Rincewinds
Jul 30, 2014

MEAT IS MEAT

Hellsau posted:

Wait he admitted to a second account? Report that and he gets banned.

It's allowed to have several accounts in WoT EU, provided it's not being used to get around bans or abuse others.

Hellsau
Jan 14, 2010

NEVER FUCKING TAKE A NIGHT OFF CLAN WARS.

Rincewinds posted:

It's allowed to have several accounts in WoT EU, provided it's not being used to get around bans or abuse others.

Ah fair enough. On the NA server, playing on other accounts is allowed but whenever it comes up the mods are quick to note that owning multiple account is against the ToS.

NTRabbit
Aug 15, 2012

i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches




WitchFetish posted:

Wait, are there seriously people who think the T49 is overpowered? In a game where the AMX13-90 exists?

loving lol

The T49 isn't overpowered, it just has a stupid gun that exceeds all previously released light tank guns because that's the only way they know how to balance

Prav
Oct 29, 2011

The T49's gun is kinda poo poo though.

NotWearingPants
Jan 3, 2006

by Nyc_Tattoo
Nap Ghost

Prav posted:

The T49's gun is kinda poo poo though.

The T49 is perhaps meant to remind one that he is not as good as he thinks he is after playing the Bulldog.

I regretted moving my t37 crew into that piece of poo poo so last night I sold it and moved them back to the T37.


(It is an excellent team killer though)

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NTRabbit
Aug 15, 2012

i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches




Prav posted:

The T49's gun is kinda poo poo though.

Second last game before I decided to take a break yesterday a T49 one shot + one tick of fire my Bulldog both on the move doing a scouting run on the lovely 3 lane asian map, it's not that bad, especially against lights and mediums if you don't overextend like a Bulldog or 13 90 can.

NTRabbit fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Feb 14, 2015

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