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Drythe posted:I always just imagine you are a life sized zoidberg. That's what I was looking for the first time Naramyth and I met up for a game. You can imagine my disappointment.
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adamantium|wang posted:Given the sheer volume of British resin you own I think your perceptions of quality and value might be slightly off the norm. Once again my finances or what I choose to spend them on has nothing to do with my perception of quality or value. This has come up before in this forum and it pisses me off every time. I budget myself and choose not to buy some things so I can buy others. For example, I purchased a reasonable automobile as opposed to the more expensive car I had my eye on. Please don't mistake my enthusiasm for this game and how I budget my personal finances for naivety.
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Is there anyone still looking for Deathstorm models? I thought they were sold out everywhere but my local GW is sitting on four copies. I could use the Brood Lord but that's about it.
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Ghost Hand posted:Once again my finances or what I choose to spend them on has nothing to do with my perception of quality or value. This has come up before in this forum and it pisses me off every time. I budget myself and choose not to buy some things so I can buy others. For example, I purchased a reasonable automobile as opposed to the more expensive car I had my eye on. You're right and your money is certainly yours, it's just different. Some people may say that the savings on an automobile/home/whatever would be best invested in retirement. Others may say travel. You say Warhammer. Is cool.
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Ghost Hand posted:Once again my finances or what I choose to spend them on has nothing to do with my perception of quality or value. This has come up before in this forum and it pisses me off every time. I budget myself and choose not to buy some things so I can buy others. For example, I purchased a reasonable automobile as opposed to the more expensive car I had my eye on. Amen. Latest COD - £60 Subscription to Xbox Live - £10/month Not including console cost. Necron Battleforce from FLGS - £56. Ill probably get equal or more value from the battleforce personally than I would from an FPS. Not that expensive compared to other hobbies.
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Feb 14, 2015 00:54
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I have a question about FW books. Is it reasonable to assume that this (generic HH legion rules) is complete and the only thing that will change as more supplements come out is additional units or rules for individual legions? Or can we expect more of the generic rules to come out as well? Also when they refer to the Age of Darkness, does that mean 40k?
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Feb 14, 2015 01:27
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Ghost Hand posted:I love how you don't know the quality or value of it yet - but it's already earned your scorn. While I agree GW does release some pretty "cash grabby" things - this looks pretty solid with some nice models added to it. *shrug* Harlequins detachment is minimum 3 troops, 2 fast attack and 1 heavy support. How is that not a blatant cashgrab? Yes, you could try unbound or an ally detachment with 1hq, 1 troop and no bonuses, but clearly the intent is to run the detachment to achieve the bonuses and GW wants you to pay $200+ for the privilege (more like $320 when you being dedicated transports for your troupes, $400+ if you do more than min-squad the whole thing.) I don't care how you spend your money that you clearly budget responsibly for. I care how GW builds cash-grabby prerequisites into their game and punishes players for not wanting to sink $400 in $40 boxes to do it.
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JerryLee posted:I have a question about FW books. Age of darkness is the 30k FoC.
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Feb 14, 2015 01:36
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JerryLee posted:I have a question about FW books. Age of Darkness was the time period between the AI rebellion and the Rise of the Emperor. The birth Slaanesh was in there too. Edit: Oh, guess I wrong. Apparently I'm conflating the Age of Dark Technology and Age of Strife. Macdeo Lurjtux fucked around with this message at 01:43 on Feb 14, 2015 |
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Feb 14, 2015 01:38
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Yeah, the Age of Darkness Detachment is the 30k HH detachment.
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koreban posted:Harlequins detachment is minimum 3 troops, 2 fast attack and 1 heavy support. How is that not a blatant cashgrab? Dude, GW isn't punishing you by providing a way to run a stand-alone Harlequin army. Don't be ridiculous.
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I just hope that if they decide to update the CW Vyper, they don't take out the dude in the back with his gun cradle-thing. That's so much better than just some schmuck standing there =S
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Bulbasaur, looks like FW isn't completely ignoring Iron Warriors.  
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JerryLee posted:I have a question about FW books. Short answer: Yeah, its mostly complete and should stay relevant for a few more years. Long answer: It'll get more dated with every new HH book. Missing legions are getting rules, most of the new books have new units, and FW plans to revisit the existing legions in new books. All that will be missing from the Red book for a while, if not indefinitely. My prediction is that we'll have several little red books down the road starting with the current "Great Crusade Army List" and then going into "Mid-Heresy Army List". Regardless of what they do, you'll need to supplement the new stuff through .PDFs or buying $120 leather books to get the latest stuff. It's still the best way to get started though. ijyt posted:Bulbasaur, looks like FW isn't completely ignoring Iron Warriors. I just ordered 2. So I can grind them up and injest my resin rectally.
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ijyt posted:Bulbasaur, looks like FW isn't completely ignoring Iron Warriors. loving  this is perfect.
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PeterWeller posted:Dude, GW isn't punishing you by providing a way to run a stand-alone Harlequin army. Don't be ridiculous. Sorry, I picked a convenient verb instead of spending 3 sentences making the explicit point I was going for. It's a very similar argument to what Blood Angels players were upset about when their codex dropped. "Oh, I see that I now need mandatory 2 troops from Tacticals or Scouts, that conveniently coincides with a new $40 Blood Angel Tactical Squad" or Necrons being required to take Tomb Blades and Praetorians in their detachment, units that were woefully underrepresented previously. It's not a defacto punishment to take 1 solitaire and 1 min troupe as an allied detachment, however if you have any desire to play Harlequins using their detachment rules, prepare to drop a lot of money to cover your minimum requirements. It couldn't be 1 troop, 2 fast attack, or 2 troop, 1 heavy.. It's 3 troop, 2 fast attack and 1 heavy. There's one known option for heavy, being the non-transport voidweaver. 2 Fast attack being the bikes, or 2 of the starweavers. 3 troops, so you're already 6x $40 boxes in. Realistically you're running 10 boxes (3 troop, 3 transport, 2 fast attack bikes, 1-2 heavy supports + solitaire, death jester, shadowweaver (each just shy of $30 per model), etc. There, you have a much more nuanced and precise answer, happy?
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BULBASAUR posted:Long answer: It'll get more dated with every new HH book. Missing legions are getting rules, most of the new books have new units, and FW plans to revisit the existing legions in new books. Well, specifically, I'm hoping to play as one of the legions for which nothing whatsoever has come out yet and won't for a while (Thousand Sons). Obviously these unreleased legions will have special units of their own, will have their own rites of war or whatever, but will the current little red book still be complete as far as the bog-standard units that every legion gets to take? At least as far as anybody knows (I guess only Forge World know for sure).
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koreban posted:Sorry, I picked a convenient verb instead of spending 3 sentences making the explicit point I was going for. It's a very similar argument to what Blood Angels players were upset about when their codex dropped. Nah, dude. The problem isn't your word choice. This isn't like invalidating the most common BA troop choice. You're upset because if you want to run a Harlequin army, you need to buy a Harlequin army. That's a pretty silly reason to be upset.
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It's already been posted that the Harlequin codex has 6 formations and we still don't know if they'll be a option for the Elite Slot of Eldar. So we don't know what those formations are but it's likely one will be a smaller force. Bitch about the released rules though. I'm not impressed with the Voidweaver at all.
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PeterWeller posted:Nah, dude. The problem isn't your word choice. This isn't like invalidating the most common BA troop choice. You're upset because if you want to run a Harlequin army, you need to buy a Harlequin army. That's a pretty silly reason to be upset. The point being made was that it was a pretty blatant cash grab. Don't misconstrue my criticism at GW doing something scuzzy with me being personally upset that I plan to buy into an army. I understood that I was going to buy in for $3-400, so I'm disappointed that it'll be the upper end of that, but it's within my planning scope.
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Let's hold off on burning our poo poo and being pissed off until the formations come out at least, it also may still be possible to take them as a allied detachment, we don't know yet what formations and what else they have in the book. I'll be the first one to be pissed off if I can't just field 2 units of Harlequins in my Dark ELdar army . This is amazing Painted by http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/user/profile/93101.page 
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koreban posted:The point being made was that it was a pretty blatant cash grab. I think it's unfair to call it a cash grab or something scuzzy. It's basically a whole new army, and I think it's incredibly cynical and a bit ridiculous to call that a cash grab.
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PeterWeller posted:I think it's unfair to call it a cash grab or something scuzzy. It's basically a whole new army, and I think it's incredibly cynical and a bit ridiculous to call that a cash grab. Prior to 7th, a new army minimum was 1 HQ, 2 troop. Battle boxes basically supported this for ~$75-130. Current information suggests it's now far more with the first *new army* released in a long while.
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koreban posted:Prior to 7th, a new army minimum was 1 HQ, 2 troop. Battle boxes basically supported this for ~$75-130. Oh come on, man. Don't act like ~300 points of IG or Orks is some legit force you can start playing with. No one gets just the mandatory HQ and troops and calls it done. The actual cost of entry for this game is about $250-500 no matter which army you choose.
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Does anyone know if there's any third party (or GW ones, I'm not fussy) small tracked units suitable for making weapon servitors?
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Microart Studios Iron Brotherhood has a specific track vehicle I think that you may be looking for. http://shop.microartstudio.com/iron-brotherhood-c-36_43.html  Also here is a Ape in a dress carrying a gun  This would also work with some minor conversion work. http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/miniatures/judge-dredd/combat-droid.html Hollismason fucked around with this message at 03:44 on Feb 14, 2015 |
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Going to wait for the harlequin codex release myself before I buy anything. If GW are loving about with the force org, for a quick cash grab then I doubt ill by them. I planned to buy harlequins as allies at the least, but do not have the space in my Dark eldar list for that full Harlequin formation.
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ChrisAsmadi posted:Does anyone know if there's any third party (or GW ones, I'm not fussy) small tracked units suitable for making weapon servitors? http://www.anvilindustry.co.uk/AFTERLIFE/Republic/Republic-Taurus-Gun-Tractors
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Foul Ole Ron posted:Going to wait for the harlequin codex release myself before I buy anything. Yeah, if that formation is the only way to take them without going unbound, that will be total bullshit. But I seriously doubt that is the case.
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These might be the first 3rd party models I've seen that I haven't hated. These would be neat for heavy weapons teams, thunderfire cannons, pretty much anything like that.
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koreban posted:Yes, you could try unbound or an ally detachment with 1hq, 1 troop and no bonuses, Harlequins have EL units, but no troops. They do not qualify to take either Allied or Combined Arms detachments. That's actually one of my biggest gripes with what we've seen of the release- you've got to take a fuckload of stuff if you want to take them at all. Did you want to include a unit of guys and their leader in a transport? Ha ha, sorry, you've gotta buy three more vehicles and two more squads. Their psychic discipline is actually pretty good, and their relics are no worst than most, but their detachment is annoying and their vehicles are either mediocre or outright bad. Being forced to take a bunch of them is a big strike against things both from an investment perspective (buy four times as much stuff!) and from a play perspective (not everyone wants to use clown cars.)
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I am having way too much fun watching Hollismason talk to himself because most of the thread regulars have him on ignore.
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I will never put anyone on ignore no matter how horrible their posting.
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JerryLee posted:Well, specifically, I'm hoping to play as one of the legions for which nothing whatsoever has come out yet and won't for a while (Thousand Sons). Obviously these unreleased legions will have special units of their own, will have their own rites of war or whatever, but will the current little red book still be complete as far as the bog-standard units that every legion gets to take? At least as far as anybody knows (I guess only Forge World know for sure). It's hard to say. I'm not expecting missing legions getting FAQs after they get released in one of the $120 leather books. More likely they'll just re-release the existing red book or drop a completely new one with rules for armies that 'evolved' in the mid heresy. That'll be well after whenever Prospero comes out, which is slated in ~2 years after they delayed it about a year ago. They might purposely wait to release it after 8th edition drops  Bottom line- if you wanna 30k right now the little red book costs less than a GW codex. But to play Thousand Sons you'll need, at the very least, the future big prospero book. After that they might combine those rules into a new red book or update the existing one, but nobody knows and you'll be stuck waiting until they get around to it. ghetto wormhole posted:I will never put anyone on ignore no matter how horrible their posting. BULBASAUR fucked around with this message at 09:51 on Feb 14, 2015 |
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ghetto wormhole posted:I will never put anyone on ignore no matter how horrible their posting. Yeah I'd have to ignore the entire death thread if that was the case.
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ghetto wormhole posted:I will never put anyone on ignore no matter how horrible their posting. I took that attitude for about fourteen years. Recently I've come to the conclusion that some exceptionally fatuous posters really aren't even worth the time it takes to skip over. Hollismason's the only one in this thread, and that's because he is essentially Turing test-failing spam bot who accidentally ended up here instead of Warseer.
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AbusePuppy posted:Harlequins have EL units, but no troops. They do not qualify to take either Allied or Combined Arms detachments. That's actually one of my biggest gripes with what we've seen of the release- you've got to take a fuckload of stuff if you want to take them at all. Did you want to include a unit of guys and their leader in a transport? Ha ha, sorry, you've gotta buy three more vehicles and two more squads. You did a great job laying out what I was trying to say earlier in this post, though I have to ask if you're sure on the no troops/HQ thing? I was pretty sure a troupe counted as troops and a solitaire could be a warlord but no warlord trait if so. (Would that not count as hq?)
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