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Mad Lupine posted:I was going to make a joke about how this thread's opinion of Bob would flip as soon as it was mentioned that GGer(s?) had said anything disparaging about him. I didn't make it because I felt it was too inflammatory and unnecessary. Ah yeah man, look at all the Moviebob dick sucking going on here, what with people giving extremely qualified compliments to him, and generally outright disparaging him while saying he sometimes makes good videos.
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Cubey posted:I'm not sure many people have particularly high hopes for a new Star Wars tbh A lot, you're confusing the internet cynics with actual people.
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The Escapist has been imploding for a while now, and the big issue seems to be the people upstairs. Jim Sterling quit after his boss at the Escapist willingly let the Gamergate debacle engulf the site, and then even hosted the opinions of a developer/journalist/somebodycan'trememberproperly who had publicly slandered Jim. Recently, they had a huge number of layoffs at the site for longtime employees, and they have been bleeding content for years without replacing it. There is almost nothing on the site anymore that hasn't been rehosted somewhere else first. Any time one of their big draws leaves or gets shitcanned, they just throw more Top Ten lists or repeats of old Game Theory episodes. Most of LoadingReadyRun's stuff is on Youtube already, and even the Critical Miss guy, douchebag he can be, is considering leaving the site and just going to patreon. If there's a trend I've noticed over the past year it is content producers striking out on their own. People breaking away from Machinima, The Escapist burning off all its talent, and Channel Awesome being pretty much irrelevant anymore, these hosting sites are on their last legs.
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Feb 15, 2015 05:11
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The Escapist isn't "apolitical", it's just better at hiding the fact that general manager Alex Macris supports GG and hides behind a veneer of neutrality to give GG legitimacy. I'm totally not surprised that Alex would shoot his own website in the foot for political reasons.
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Feb 15, 2015 05:17
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Arcsquad12 posted:The Escapist has been imploding for a while now, and the big issue seems to be the people upstairs. Jim Sterling quit after his boss at the Escapist willingly let the Gamergate debacle engulf the site, and then even hosted the opinions of a developer/journalist/somebodycan'trememberproperly who had publicly slandered Jim. Recently, they had a huge number of layoffs at the site for longtime employees, and they have been bleeding content for years without replacing it. There is almost nothing on the site anymore that hasn't been rehosted somewhere else first. Any time one of their big draws leaves or gets shitcanned, they just throw more Top Ten lists or repeats of old Game Theory episodes. Most of LoadingReadyRun's stuff is on Youtube already, and even the Critical Miss guy, douchebag he can be, is considering leaving the site and just going to patreon. You think part of this sort of thing is Patreon and such making it easier for small content producers to get compensation for things? I don't know what places like Machinima, Escapist, or CA pay or how easy it is to replicate that money with Patreon or independent ad revenue - although lots of guys seem to be able to do okay without being managed these days. Look how few fucks the Two/Super Best Friends give about the Machinima gig these days.
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Feb 15, 2015 05:22
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Spiritus Nox posted:You think part of this sort of thing is Patreon and such making it easier for small content producers to get compensation for things? I don't know what places like Machinima, Escapist, or CA pay or how easy it is to replicate that money with Patreon or independent ad revenue - although lots of guys seem to be able to do okay without being managed these days. Look how few fucks the Two/Super Best Friends give about the Machinima gig these days. Pretty sure CA only paid their non-Doug talent with "exposure". Everything the content makers got came from ad revenue, which was why Linkara made that one video asking people to not use adblock on his videos.
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Feb 15, 2015 05:32
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Spiritus Nox posted:You think part of this sort of thing is Patreon and such making it easier for small content producers to get compensation for things? I don't know what places like Machinima, Escapist, or CA pay or how easy it is to replicate that money with Patreon or independent ad revenue - although lots of guys seem to be able to do okay without being managed these days. Look how few fucks the Two/Super Best Friends give about the Machinima gig these days. I guess every case is different, but Ursa actually made a video about her case: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsg8HhM_k00 tl;dr Patreon seems to be a game changer for many
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Feb 15, 2015 05:35
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Alacron posted:Pretty sure CA only paid their non-Doug talent with "exposure". Everything the content makers got came from ad revenue, which was why Linkara made that one video asking people to not use adblock on his videos. Yeah, no one is directly employed by CA. You could call them independent contractors, kinda sorta. Except they're not paid by the company that publishes their work, but a different company.
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Feb 15, 2015 05:41
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Arcsquad12 posted:The Escapist has been imploding for a while now, and the big issue seems to be the people upstairs. Jim Sterling quit after his boss at the Escapist willingly let the Gamergate debacle engulf the site, and then even hosted the opinions of a developer/journalist/somebodycan'trememberproperly who had publicly slandered Jim. Recently, they had a huge number of layoffs at the site for longtime employees, and they have been bleeding content for years without replacing it. There is almost nothing on the site anymore that hasn't been rehosted somewhere else first. Any time one of their big draws leaves or gets shitcanned, they just throw more Top Ten lists or repeats of old Game Theory episodes. Most of LoadingReadyRun's stuff is on Youtube already, and even the Critical Miss guy, douchebag he can be, is considering leaving the site and just going to patreon. Loading Ready Run does just fine on their own. iirc, only about four of them are actual full-time this-is-our-job employees, the rest are just their mates helping out for individual videos. Their last year of weekly videos was done off a Kickstarter just so they'd have a decent budget on them for once, and the only reason they're stopping them (aside from going ten years strong) is because they do a bunch of other projects as well now.
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Feb 15, 2015 05:42
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I only went to the Escapist only to see Jim Sterling in the last year, but he have been putting out mush better work since he started patreon and i assume the same can be said for Moviebob when he put up a patreon. so i could care less when escapist belly up, even moreso now since their main guy is a GGer.
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Feb 15, 2015 05:54
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Spiritus Nox posted:You think part of this sort of thing is Patreon and such making it easier for small content producers to get compensation for things? I don't know what places like Machinima, Escapist, or CA pay or how easy it is to replicate that money with Patreon or independent ad revenue - although lots of guys seem to be able to do okay without being managed these days. Look how few fucks the Two/Super Best Friends give about the Machinima gig these days. Unless you're crazy popular Patreon is probably going to beat ad revenue every day of the week. Especially if you're only somewhat or medium popular. My sister in law does youtube videos and gets a few hundred to a few thousand hits per video, with which gets her somewhere in the neighborhood of jack poo poo revenue wise. Her Patreon on the other hand pays her several hundred dollars a month. With Patreon a couple hundred fans can far outstrip ad revenue from thousands of views. So unless you're getting super high views, and that's sustained from video to video, Machinima and other platform providers just can't compete. Of course if you're getting that many hits you can also open up a Patreon and get crazy money that way. Platform providers are becoming more and more useless as ad revenue falls and external support systems grow. Assuming they're large enough they probably do provide some level of protection from dickbag take down requests though.
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Feb 15, 2015 05:55
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Benny the Snake posted:It occurs to me that Moviebob's firing from The Escapist was entirely motivated by Gamergate for a few key reasons. The Escapists new Editor in Chief says. posted:"Don't ever become a pessimist... a pessimist is correct oftener than an optimist, but an optimist has more fun, and neither can stop the march of events." -Robert A. Heinlein
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Feb 15, 2015 05:59
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Yeesh. That is Propaganda as poo poo.
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Feb 15, 2015 06:06
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Sounds like a bunch of bullshit, i think Jim saw the writing on the wall and left as soon as possible. i don't like moviebob but it sucks that he got fired for some bullshit PR stunt.
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Feb 15, 2015 06:09
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Will Bob continue to make money off the videos he produced for the escapist? Or will he have to make do with an income generating back catalog consisting almost entirely of Game Overthinker episodes?
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Feb 15, 2015 06:23
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Cubey posted:I'm not sure many people have particularly high hopes for a new Star Wars tbh New Star Wars actually looks really good so far. Like, it could still end up terrible, but almost everything they've shown/announced has been good. More practical effects, real sets, puppets, no EU bullshit, relative unknown actors, female and black leads, screenwriter from Empire Strikes Back, fight choreography done by the guys who did The Raid movies, Andy Serkis, and an outright REFUSAL to accept George Lucas's script suggestions. It's definitely going to play it safe; it won't bring the series in a new direction, and it won't equal the original trilogy. There's gonna be a lot of references and fanservice, just like the Abrams Star Trek, but honestly, Abrams was more cut out to make a Star Wars movie than a Trek movie anyway. I've got high hopes. Jurassic World, on the other hand...
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High Warlord Zog posted:Will Bob continue to make money off the videos he produced for the escapist? Or will he have to make do with an income generating back catalog consisting almost entirely of Game Overthinker episodes? Oh poo poo, I hadn't even thought of that. That would be a near-total-disaster for him if Escapist is keeping his old work revenue.
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Gyges posted:Unless you're crazy popular Patreon is probably going to beat ad revenue every day of the week. Especially if you're only somewhat or medium popular. My sister in law does youtube videos and gets a few hundred to a few thousand hits per video, with which gets her somewhere in the neighborhood of jack poo poo revenue wise. Her Patreon on the other hand pays her several hundred dollars a month. For a fun look at the numbers, my YouTube videos have received 11,852 views in the last month, probably around half of them on monetized videos. Estimated revenue in that time: $3.88 I'm raking it in
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Feb 15, 2015 06:59
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Reminder that The Escapist tried to claim the majority of Extra Credit's profits from a charity drive intended to help pay for their artist's surgery.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Reminder that The Escapist tried to claim the majority of Extra Credit's profits from a charity drive intended to help pay for their artist's surgery. Oh holy poo poo, I totally forgot about that.
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Jay O posted:Yeah, no one is directly employed by CA. You could call them independent contractors, kinda sorta. Except they're not paid by the company that publishes their work, but a different company. Wait, what about the two amateur actors that appear in Doug's videos? Don't tell me they are doing that for free...
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Tarquinn posted:Wait, what about the two amateur actors that appear in Doug's videos? Don't tell me they are doing that for free... Malcolm and Tamara are on payroll, yes. None of the producers are, though.
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Miss Wallace posted:Phelan and I did a Valentine's episode of Movie Nights on the Love Bug reboot starring Bruce Campbell:
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quote:Moving forward, The Escapist is eschewing the "curmudgeon" mentality that is so pervasive these days in favor of the "enthusiast" mentality that we want to foster among our community, and geek culture at large. We want to focus on finding the good in the geekspace, rather than focusing on the bad. We want to facilitate enjoyment, rather than disparagement. We want to talk more about the things we love, and less about the things we hate. ...and yet Yahtzee remains onboard.
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Puppy Time posted:...and yet Yahtzee remains onboard. While I'm thinking about it, has he ever commented on the whole GG shitstorm?
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Spiritus Nox posted:While I'm thinking about it, has he ever commented on the whole GG shitstorm? He's commented on it along with his friend-that-I-can't-remember-the-name-of in a couple of his Let's Drown Out videos, dunno if he's talked about it anywhere else. Near as I could tell, he's a "moderate" that still unironically uses "skeleton warrior" as derogatory slang and equates moderation to censorship, as well as saying some other fairly ignorant but run-of-the-mill brogressive silliness here and there ("why can't everyone stop being so sensitive and just laugh at jokes about everyone's race/gender/sexuality/identity regardless of societal, political or social context", that sort of thing). Basically most of what he's bothered to say about it boils down to "I choose no side anyways here's several minutes of affirming the views of one side". As far as I know, he hasn't completely dropped the act and gone full TotalBiscuit (link always obligatory, especially since that he's recently proven to be even more of a whackjob than that post implies, good thing he has influence over literal millions of sycophantic followers!), but Yahtzee's expressed views line up pretty neatly with the views that the Escapist holds beneath the ever-disingenuous inherently-contradictory always-hilarious veneer of being apolitical. Make of that what you will.
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Beefstew posted:New Star Wars actually looks really good so far. Like, it could still end up terrible, but almost everything they've shown/announced has been good. More practical effects, real sets, puppets, no EU bullshit, relative unknown actors, female and black leads, screenwriter from Empire Strikes Back, fight choreography done by the guys who did The Raid movies, Andy Serkis, and an outright REFUSAL to accept George Lucas's script suggestions. It's definitely going to play it safe; it won't bring the series in a new direction, and it won't equal the original trilogy. There's gonna be a lot of references and fanservice, just like the Abrams Star Trek, but honestly, Abrams was more cut out to make a Star Wars movie than a Trek movie anyway. I've got high hopes. I was cautiously optimistic before the second Abrams Star Trek movie. Into Darkness was so lovely, however, that it really dulled any optimism I had. It can't possibly be anywhere near as bad as the prequels, but I dunno. Maybe I've just outgrown Star Wars or some poo poo, but I cannot even force myself to look forward to it.
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Spiritus Nox posted:While I'm thinking about it, has he ever commented on the whole GG shitstorm? He comes closest in one of his Extra Punctuation columns, wherein he proclaims neutrality and says he tries to keep a distance from the whole thing because he doesn't care for the drama surrounding it.
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Cubey posted:I was cautiously optimistic before the second Abrams Star Trek movie. Into Darkness was so lovely, however, that it really dulled any optimism I had. Wasn't it more on the writers making JJTrek 2 awful than Abrams himself?
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Tracula posted:Wasn't it more on the writers making JJTrek 2 awful than Abrams himself? It was a Kurtzman and Orci script, the guys also responsible for the Transformers movie scripts and the Amazing Spiderman Series. Abrams is a good director, but he gets saddled with bad writers and his own writing is mediocre at best. That's why I'm cautiously optimistic for Episode 7. While Abrams co-wrote it, I'm hoping that Lawrence Kasdan (Empire Strikes Back and Co-EP7 Writer) slapped the pencil out of Abrams's hand whenever he wrote something stupid.
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Any of yoos intae that Jim Trinca? Here he is as Detective Inspector Tam McGleish getting fired intae Duck Tales and Flashback. He works for Videogamer.com now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th7Mx2B4sXg
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Feb 15, 2015 16:53
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I loved Star Trek Into Darkness and thought it pantsed Trek09 despite its messy script. 
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Spock really should be jumping around on flying cars like an action hero in order to punch the bad guy while screaming lots. That's who Spock is.
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DStecks posted:I loved Star Trek Into Darkness and thought it pantsed Trek09 despite its messy script. We must get a sample of Khan's blood and not one from the 72 people we have readily available!
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Feb 15, 2015 17:32
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Neddy Seagoon posted:We must get a sample of Khan's blood and not one from the 72 people we have readily available! DStecks posted:I loved Star Trek Into Darkness and thought it pantsed Trek09 despite its messy script.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:We must get a sample of Khan's blood and not one from the 72 people we have readily available! Allow me to set the scene for you: Orci: gently caress me, the script's due tomorrow morning! We need to figure out how to heal Kirk. Kurtzman: Ah poo poo man, leave me the gently caress alone. I'm trying to watch True Blood. Orci: Hmm... {shits out the rest of the script}. Done.
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What got me about Into Darkness was the overall sense of hubris. It was like watching an artist painting the Mona Lisa right next to the original and declaring his version to be equal.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:We must get a sample of Khan's blood and not one from the 72 people we have readily available! The movie as a whole would have been improved if one of the 72 other people were the ubermench running around while Khan continues to sleep. Torpedoes full of genetic supermen and you insist on going with the one guy specified as Indian for your most English of English actor to play. Though you could sort of half argue from a drunken stupor that they needed Khan's blood because the other blood was frozen and they needed unfrozen blood. Ignoring all the super science tech and transporters and stuff.
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Benny the Snake posted:What got me about Into Darkness was the overall sense of hubris. It was like watching an artist painting the Mona Lisa right next to the original and declaring his version to be equal. That's what bothered me in a way too. Can we just do something loving new and not rehash old ideas or pseudo-remake classics? Part of me feels that when/if there's a third JJtrek film they're gonna somehow cram the Borg into it because of brand recognition.
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Gyges posted:The movie as a whole would have been improved if... ... they'd written an original plot that wasn't a dumbed-down action movie grafted onto a Star Trek film with a hot-solder slurry of melted nostalgia and fanservice?
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