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this why IDS, symantec endpoint, firewalls, shell loggers, passwords, and privilege escalation exist now get the gently caress out of the thread
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pram posted:this why IDS, symantec endpoint, firewalls, shell loggers, passwords, and privilege escalation exist now get the gently caress out of the thread hhahahahah hhohohohoh hhehhehe
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HOW U MANAGE SERVER WITHOUT RDP
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:how do your IT infrastructure people access your appliances' (web)guis without a graphical management server? ssh -D
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Subjunctive posted:you don't need to run an X server on a system to export applications from it to your desktop IMA scrub that meant session.
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wasn't Windows Server Core supposed to let you admin everything using Win32 GUI applications *party like it's 1994* over DCOM *wow such secure* or some poo poo hosted within MMC? whatever happened to that anyway
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Mr Dog posted:wasn't Windows Server Core supposed to let you admin everything using Win32 GUI applications *party like it's 1994* over DCOM *wow such secure* or some poo poo hosted within MMC? it still exists it's still garbage
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gnome 2 was actually poo poo for pisshead morons. compare it to gnome3 and it looks good but so does a loving turd.
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Mr Dog posted:wasn't Windows Server Core supposed to let you admin everything using Win32 GUI applications *party like it's 1994* over DCOM *wow such secure* or some poo poo hosted within MMC? rdping to the server and doing whatever you need to do is much faster. it is there and works about half the time though.
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Maximum Leader posted:gnome 2 was actually poo poo for pisshead morons. compare it to gnome3 and it looks good but so does a loving turd. the featureless idiocy and imaginary target user didn't start in gnome 3. they started deleting features from gnome back in what, 2.10 ? 2.12 ? migrating to a "spatial" file browser, fewer preferences dialogues, etc the last versions of gnome 2 were much, much less useful and usable than the earlier iterations
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:the featureless idiocy and imaginary target user didn't start in gnome 3. they started deleting features from gnome back in what, 2.10 ? 2.12 ? migrating to a "spatial" file browser, fewer preferences dialogues, etc to this day I have no idea how the spatial nautilus managed to end up so bad. the underlying idea is good, as apple's excellent pre-osx finder proves. but gnome managed to turn gold to poo poo
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I installed Ubuntu on a lovely VM and it ran so badly that I had to get the flashback thing and use metacity instead of unity
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Unity didn't even look any better so I'm not sure what it ews doing
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unity gets rid of all that pesky "functionality" that gets in the way of your web browsing
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pram posted:HOW U MANAGE SERVER WITHOUT RDP how do u manage a windows server even with rdp ???
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rrrrrrrrrrrt posted:how do u manage a windows server even with rdp ??? one at a time
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Soricidus posted:to this day I have no idea how the spatial nautilus managed to end up so bad. the underlying idea is good, as apple's excellent pre-osx finder proves. but gnome managed to turn gold to poo poo spatial nautilus didn't have spring loaded folders or shift-click to close an entire folder stack of windows
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trip report: i installed centos 7 on a vm and it was a hilarious failure i encountered gnome 3 classic mode for the first time  it's bad. i actually liked being able to put miniature application launcher icons in the menu bar in older rhel/centos. it was poo poo ui design but at least it gave me quick access to the essentials (browser, terminal). now for some reason that capability is gone and for reasons the area to the right of the menus is some kind of taskbar, because the one on the bottom of the screen wasn't enough. wtf??? who thought double taskbars was a good idea to add insult to injury, the dupe taskbar is terrible. note to gnome ui designers, putting icons behind text without making sure the text is always high contrast against any background? that is bad design. bad bad bad the workspace switcher in the bottom right is somehow worse than before, it's like the people writing this poo poo have been given a mandate to simplify it without actually thinking about usability in any way speaking of which, they've revamped preferences in an attempt to ape apple's system preferences.app, which is good, but have gone way overboard removing things in an attempt to ape apple's minimalism, which is bad (as in they literally offer fewer knobs to twiddle than mac oh ess ten) the user interface animations commit the cardinal sin of ui animu: animating on mouse down. tbf apple sometimes does this too but much less often this one isn't a regression, but gnome still hasn't realized they should copy the correct way to handle menus with submenus from 1990s era macos, so selecting poo poo in submenus is (still) unnecessarily annoying and difficult oh and after i got done installing centos and updates and then installing the program i needed to run, xilinx vivado, it turned out that vivado segfaults on rhel/centos 7 because gently caress you. idk whose fault that is im perfectly willing to blame it on either party so now i've deleted that vm and made a centos 6.6 one and the ui is poo poo but at least somewhat usable. also its ui is way the gently caress faster than centos 7 so chalk that up as another regression in gnome. but holy lol i'm still using a 2.6 series kernel ityool 2015
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it's slow because it's in a VM and doing the 3D via llvmpipe instead of your GPU
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BobHoward posted:this one isn't a regression, but gnome still hasn't realized they should copy the correct way to handle menus with submenus from 1990s era macos, so selecting poo poo in submenus is (still) unnecessarily annoying and difficult whoops spoke too soon it is a regression. the default gnome desktop in centos 6.6 does this the right way something something cadt development methodology
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pseudorandom name posted:it's slow because it's in a VM and doing the 3D via llvmpipe instead of your GPU i'm comparing the default desktops of centos 6.6 and centos 7 holding (virtual) hardware constant. 6.6 is usable and actually quite fast. 7 not so much. if anything 7 ought to have the advantage here because it might have a kernel new enough for vmware fusion's 3d accel features to actually work. 6.6 sure doesn't.
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i've never gotten the whole "lets use two panels" on either Gnome 2 or 3 Classic Mode. i split my time evenly between RHEL and OS X, but at least i keep as much usable window space available.
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I use KDE on my centos development machines because I think it looks nicer but everyone on the internet seems to hate it
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Illusive gently caress Man posted:I use KDE on my centos development machines because I think it looks nicer but everyone on the internet seems to hate it i would seriously use kde on my rhel machine if it didn't feel like a second class citizen by red hat. i preferred suse in the past but holy lol am i not going to get something from the novell trainwreck.
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if i had to use linux on the desktop for work i think i would just take a hard right turn when i was driving over the bridge
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pram posted:HOW U MANAGE SERVER WITHOUT RDP "unpossible!" - an windows CJ
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pseudorandom name posted:it's slow because it's in a VM and doing the 3D via llvmpipe instead of your GPU does it somehow insist on drawing every animation frame, rather than timeboxing the animation?
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eschaton posted:does it somehow insist on drawing every animation frame, rather than timeboxing the animation? I don't think so, I assumed by "slow" he meant a stuttery mess.
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stuttery because low frames per second. maybe it was actually because it was relying on hw accel to rasterize zoomy effects etc and none was there? idk. it's possible the animations weren't timeboxed but i didn't really put a lot of time into close observation before i deleted the vm. i probably could have lived with it but after some googling i decided there was no point in spending time figuring out how to make vivado run on it when i had a perfectly good centos 6 dvd image already downloaded
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BobHoward posted:stuttery because low frames per second. maybe it was actually because it was relying on hw accel to rasterize zoomy effects etc and none was there? idk. my experience with Ubuntu 14.10 with an FX 5200 was that the animations weren't timeboxed and insisted on showing me every composited frame no matter how long it took. throwing a 6200 in that system and switching to the NVidia drivers made the animations take ~1s, showing just what stupid bullshit the UI was pulling.
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had chrome crash like 99999999999999999999 times today on UBUNTU GHONME and also sometimes it leaves a little like idk what to cal it but like imagine u mouse over smth and it has a little white box backgrund box, well, the text goes away but the box stars unless u kill the app that generated it. and its on all dekstops, like, a peice of tape on ur monitor but virtal,, pretty fail imvho
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eschaton posted:does it somehow insist on drawing every animation frame, rather than timeboxing the animation? I found it to be actually slow to like, open a window or something
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i just tried gnome 3 wayland fedora on a virtual machine its quite nice
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Origin posted:i've never gotten the whole "lets use two panels" on either Gnome 2 or 3 Classic Mode. i split my time evenly between RHEL and OS X, but at least i keep as much usable window space available. and yet no version of gnome I've ever tried has had good support for vertical panels. xfce does it well every third version and then breaks it horribly for a year because xfce uniquely combines cadt development methodologies with no testing whatsoever. kde and windows both do it very well though, gratz
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eschaton posted:my experience with Ubuntu 14.10 with an FX 5200 was that the animations weren't timeboxed and insisted on showing me every composited frame no matter how long it took. throwing a 6200 in that system and switching to the NVidia drivers made the animations take ~1s, showing just what stupid bullshit the UI was pulling. compiz animations are absolutely timeboxed. if ur whackass
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Illusive gently caress Man posted:I use KDE on my centos development machines because I think it looks nicer but everyone on the internet seems to hate it functionally kde4 was pretty good, everyone hated it because the interface was ugly as gently caress and felt like it was designed by and for people who spend so much time in a dark room that they need sunglasses in the presence of a 40 watt light bulb. you could try to make it look nicer but that usually had the side effects of misaligned buttons, squished icons and cut-off controls.
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Mr Dog posted:wasn't Windows Server Core supposed to let you admin everything using Win32 GUI applications *party like it's 1994* over DCOM *wow such secure* or some poo poo hosted within MMC? Windows has been managed w/ RPC since NT. Server Core just removes the windowing environment. It has always worked better than Linux.
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Shaggar posted:Windows has been managed w/ RPC since NT. Server Core just removes the windowing environment. It has always worked better than Linux. can u rdp to a server core?
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