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The ability to create anything is amazing, like there was some decent talent even on day one, the problem was everything else. Once you reached tribal it was pretty bad. I ended up cheating the hell out of space a an hour or so in and not even that could save it.
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The problem is that after the cell stage, all the customization is purely cosmetic. The cell stage is the most perfectly realized element of Spore: there's a sense of gameplay progression, and randomized unlock order of parts makes every cell game at least somewhat unique. Carnivore and herbivore are both legitimate choices, with very different playstyles, and omnivore manages to be its own unique playstyle, not just both herbivore and carnivore. Or you could just slap both herbivore and carnivore mouths on your cell, but then you've got less complexity to spend on other useful organs. Every single part you can add to your cell fundamentally changes how it plays, and most importantly, where you put the parts on your cell can make a world of difference. A carnivore can wear spikes on its front to attack, but a herbivore can also wear those same spikes on its rear for defense. The creature stage is where things start to get lovely. Herbivore becomes a lot more of a pain in the rear end to play, since fruit trees are the only food source and aren't spread regularly. Carnivore becomes optimal, since it plays well with the carnivorous strategy of extincting other species- you need to kill them to evolve, and you get food as a bonus for something you were already going to do. Omnivore is just having the option to do both. This stage is also the one with the least grounding in any kind of reality, with the two paths to sentience (befriending other species or wiping them the gently caress out) being complete nonsense in any kind of real world ecosystem. IMHO, the Creature stage is the very least fun stage to actually play. Critically, creature customization is now all about driving up stats. Placement and body anatomy have little to no impact on how the creature actually plays. The tribal stage is alright, I suppose, as a stripped-down-as-gently caress RTS. It's better balanced than the creature stage, in that killing or befriending the other tribes are both viable, and really you'll probably want to do at least a bit of both. Tribal outfits are now purely about increasing stats, placement matters not at all. It's mercifully short. The civilization stage is just the tribal stage but on a planetary scale. For some reason the formerly friendly "herbivore" path is reinterpreted as religious zealots who play exactly like the warmongers, but with hologram propaganda instead of bullets. If anything, they're objectively better, due to not damaging the cities they conquer. The civilization stage is quite basic, but actually manages a bit of depth. After the cell stage, I'd call it the second-best executed stage. The biggest failure is that building customization is now 100% cosmetic. Vehicle customization is just driving up stats. The space stage is where things just completely jump the rails and 15 year old me gets apopleptic when he realizes that the game's slow progression from controlling a single organism to controlling a planetary civlization has now reverted back to the creature stage dynamic.UFO customization is entirely cosmetic, and you only ever directly control a single spaceship, which needs to run all of the errands in the entire galaxy. I remember downloading a mod called "Space is Actually Fun" or something to that effect, which drastically increased mission payouts and reduced distress calls to once every 15 minutes, but sadly now I can't find it.
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Later, the Galactic Adventures expansion added ground missions to the space stage which played like a slightly improved version of the Creature stage, but still was a pretty bland and boring RPG. The only good Spore related thing I can think of is Darkspore being kinda okay. It was a Diablo-like action RPG that was again, pretty generic and stripped down compared to other ARPGs but at least was more focused on being one stripped down game instead of being a stripped down space game with 4 intro minigames.
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Feb 15, 2015 04:18
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Oh god I'm having flashbacks.
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Feb 15, 2015 04:31
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The Crete LP owned. Wiz, when Rome 2 comes out please flesh out the character system so that you can play as individual members of the senate. Imagine the multiplayer potential! (Populism forever  )e: Man, now that I'm looking back at our fan art, what the hell were all these dumb icons even about 
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Feb 15, 2015 04:44
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Gort posted:Yeah. There's a modifier called Ground Defense Efficiency that's tied to your doctrine. Germany starts at 100%, Russia starts at significantly less and catches up to slightly less by the end of the war as they go through their doctrine techs. It's basically a flat combat modifier, which means Germany gets to make a dent despite having otherwise inferior forces to what Russia has. It's also why Russian troops have higher organisation stats than German ones - they get demolished due to the GDE modifier, so they need the higher organisation stat or they'd run away too quickly. Well it is 1943 and one of the 1943 techs for Soviets Manpower doctrine entails this:  ' I'd have about 220-220 divisions (excluding Bulgarian/Italian/Hungarian/Romanian) troops. I get the feeling that 1943 is the last good time to go for it, given the Soviets get even more bonuses in 1945.
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Takanago posted:The Crete LP owned. Wiz, when Rome 2 comes out please flesh out the character system so that you can play as individual members of the senate. Imagine the multiplayer potential! From upper left: Apple Pie Party, Secret Sons of Zeus(?), Rocket Ship Civics(?), Unity Party, Unity Party v2, Confederate Party, Constitution Party, Ron Paul Golden Blimp Party, Constituion Party v2, Daughters of Eris, Daughters of Eris v2, Daughters of Eris v3, George Bush Party(?), Anti-Monachy Faction (Rebels?), Donut Party (?), Crypto-Mercantilists, Crypto-Mercantilists v2, Chaos Party(?), Olive Party(?), Confederate Party v2, Pro-Peneid Party, Something Religious?, Scrooge McDuck Party? (Builders?), Daughters of Eris vxyz, Capitalist Party, Golden Capitalist Fist Party, Breton Party, Helladid Party, Helladid Party v2, Royalist Party, Pony Party(?!?) I Love Horses Party, Labryst Party(?), Crypto Mercantilist Party v3, Loyalist League? (Royalists), Daughters of Eris(How many versions did I make?), Reccettear Party, Sauron Party, Nuke Party, Crypto-Civics, JoJo Party, Beer Party, Peace Party, Excel Party(Servant!), Carthage Party, Party Ireland Party, Party Party, Peace Party v2-3 Populist Front Party v1-4, Dog Party, Byzantine Party, Rocket Party, Roman Party, Mercenary Party, Mercenary Party(?), Saurus Party, Scrooge v2? Scrooge v3?, Tea Party, Monarchist Party(?), TMM Party, CryptoParty? Tak Party Creto Party?, Creto Party v2?, Crypto Civic v2 Axis Party, Allied Party, Wiz Party Crypto Civic v3-4?, Commiev1-3 Beer Party v2, Golden Axe Party? Man, I think I have them all still saved too, but on my desktop, which is unfortunately in storage. Edit: Man, that's not even all the icons, almost done of the actual faction icons are on there. sniper4625 fucked around with this message at 05:45 on Feb 15, 2015 |
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Feb 15, 2015 05:24
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sniper4625 posted:Oh god I'm having flashbacks. God drat it, I'm going to have to drop 10 dollars on archives to figure out whats even going on aren't I?
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SkySteak posted:Well it is 1943 and one of the 1943 techs for Soviets Manpower doctrine entails this: Unless you're playing as the soviets right now, it is displaying what your GDE, which is already at 100%, would be with that tech researched.
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Feb 15, 2015 06:04
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VerdantSquire posted:God drat it, I'm going to have to drop 10 dollars on archives to figure out whats even going on aren't I? Do it, weep the bitter tears of regret! (The more I am reminded of the Crete LP the more I am driven to start a British tribe LP of my own. I am quite mad)
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Feb 15, 2015 07:18
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Getting to explore the ruins of Crete LP is worth the $10 all on its own.
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Feb 15, 2015 07:23
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SkySteak posted:Well it is 1943 and one of the 1943 techs for Soviets Manpower doctrine entails this: You basically have to go for it - the Soviets will attack you eventually one way or another, and the later you leave it the worse it'll be. At least if you go now you won't be fighting both them and the USA at once, which helps.
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Feb 15, 2015 12:24
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The problem with Spore's space stage for me was how limited in scope it felt. What do you mean I only get a single ship to explore this entire galaxy and defeat the Grox? And I have to collect all the spice on my own every drat time? I never played Galactic Adventures though.
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It appears that the livestream of HoI 4 has revealed a glaring flaw in the game design. Thankfully, the paradox forums are on the case: quote:I see that the image used for General Hausser has not been fixed. No gold (piping, eagle or other) on Waffen SS uniforms!!!!!! It should be white or a few things silver. White would be fine. The exceptions are arcane & highly rare and would not be used on uniforms like the ones you are using. This will be seen by those who know and will think it looks comical. Others who have watched movies like 'The Longest Day', 'Where Eagles Dare' & 'The Battle of the Bulge' will just think something is off about the uniforms. Disgraceful. Anyone else cancelling their preorder over this?
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Feb 15, 2015 17:45
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I can't believe Paradox isn't giving the SS the respect it deserves...
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ArchangeI posted:It appears that the livestream of HoI 4 has revealed a glaring flaw in the game design. Thankfully, the paradox forums are on the case: Dear paradox: please replace all portraits of nazi and SS leaders with those of clowns and then release a $200 German leader portrait pack with the art you've already done. And then ban anyone that buys it.
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God, I really hope they do make Rome 2 because I just tried playing Rome again and man is it lovely. Like, I was playing the reign of ancients mod and I was sparta, I declared war on athens and successfully fought their army off, forcing them onto euboea. They kept crossing the strait to attack me and I won every battle in the war, but somehow I managed to win every battle while taking 2x more casualties than the Athenians?  Suffice it to say I got my rear end handed to me because ~reasons~ that probably were good reasons, just not communicated well at all to the player. It's astonishing to see how big of a leap paradox has made in the quality of their games/retooling them from being grognardy, feedback-less diamonds-in-the-rough into what we have now.
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quote:I see that the image used for General Hausser has not been fixed. No gold (piping, eagle or other) on Waffen SS uniforms!!!!!! It should be white or a few things silver. White would be fine. The exceptions are arcane & highly rare and would not be used on uniforms like the ones you are using. This will be seen by those who know and will think it looks comical. Others who have watched movies like 'The Longest Day', 'Where Eagles Dare' & 'The Battle of the Bulge' will just think something is off about the uniforms. wikipedia posted:The tanks used (despite the claims of the producer in an interview which is one of the DVD extras) are not historically accurate although the M24s were World War 2-era vehicles, they were not in use in the scale shown in the film and were relatively rare. But the American M47 Pattons representing German King Tiger tanks conveyed the superior size and firepower which the M4 Shermans, represented by M24 Chaffees, had to contend with.
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Morholt posted:"The Battle of the Bulge", providing normies with highly detailed and accurate ww2 knowledge. compare Where Eagles Dare https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2osSsbB09Ps (movie owns)
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nutranurse posted:God, I really hope they do make Rome 2 because I just tried playing Rome again and man is it lovely. Like, I was playing the reign of ancients mod and I was sparta, I declared war on athens and successfully fought their army off, forcing them onto euboea. They kept crossing the strait to attack me and I won every battle in the war, but somehow I managed to win every battle while taking 2x more casualties than the Athenians? Check the combat rolls. The AI will have better rolls than you in at least 75% of case, all my anectdotal evidence undisputedly proves that.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Dear paradox: please replace all portraits of nazi and SS leaders with those of clowns and then release a $200 German leader portrait pack with the art you've already done. We can definitely make that work in Kaiserreich- I've justified a lot of the more liberal or crazy decisions Germany can make later on with the Kaiser's growing senility.
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I have read most Paradox LPs on SA, but I will never be able to understand the Crete LP. e: seriously, what the gently caress is going on
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DStecks posted:I just want Spore to have been a good game. It could have been. Or rather, it probably couldn't have. The scale they were trying to represent could never be made to work in a videogame that wasn't stripped down to its most basic, so they either had to make every portion of the game except the cosmetic customization barebones, or make the customization stuff meaningless. They tried to make both great and ended up not being great in any of them. Interesting, and very impressive in a lot of ways, but I hardly want to go back and play it now. Of course, every section of the game could be made fun, and with mods, some of them were. To a point. It and various other games like it inspired an awesome game idea that I too, will never finish. Mostly since I've no game dev skills of almost any kind beyond saying "Naw, that'll never work"
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Jeoh posted:I have read most Paradox LPs on SA, but I will never be able to understand the Crete LP. Furious politicking and arguments about ideology trumping concern for putting out a coherent gameplan or attention to the details of what people are actually proposing.
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Feb 15, 2015 23:21
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Jeoh posted:I have read most Paradox LPs on SA, but I will never be able to understand the Crete LP. Too many people wanting to be part of the 'spoiler' party because goons. Also terrible laws getting passed / good laws getting vetoed over ridiculous minutiae. And everyone being angry as gently caress like 80% of the time.
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RabidWeasel posted:Too many people wanting to be part of the 'spoiler' party because goons. Also terrible laws getting passed / good laws getting vetoed over ridiculous minutiae. And everyone being angry as gently caress like 80% of the time. This sounds too familiar.
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Crete LP was a good indicator of how would goons run a country - directly into the ground.
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RabidWeasel posted:Too many people wanting to be part of the 'spoiler' party because goons. Also terrible laws getting passed / good laws getting vetoed over ridiculous minutiae. And everyone being angry as gently caress like 80% of the time. So basically what you're saying is that it was basically modern politics but in Antiquity?
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Tomn posted:Furious politicking and arguments about ideology trumping concern for putting out a coherent gameplan or attention to the details of what people are actually proposing. There was this guy who had this political line and after a while he started directly contradicting everything he said previously, to the point where people started quoting his earlier posts as rebutals to his more recent ones.
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Mans posted:There was this guy who had this political line and after a while he started directly contradicting everything he said previously, to the point where people started quoting his earlier posts as rebutals to his more recent ones. That would be The Saurus. I'm fairly sure that he thought the point of being a Senator was to have the most laws passed to your name, regardless of what those laws actually were or what they accomplished, thus the flip-flopping.
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Feb 16, 2015 01:55
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He's just a magical dude regardless. Gets very into simulations
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Feb 16, 2015 02:13
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The "crew" that started with Wiz's Hohenzollern LP metastasized during Crete, and they're still following the Azeri LP. I think they're the reason he abandoned his Last Federation LP.
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GrossMurpel posted:Check the combat rolls. The AI will have better rolls than you in at least 75% of case, all my anectdotal evidence undisputedly proves that. Nah, I was beating the AI on that too. I was rolling 4's while he'd roll 2's and get a flat -2 because they were always attacking across a strait. It was total bullshit.
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Kavak posted:The "crew" that started with Wiz's Hohenzollern LP metastasized during Crete, and they're still following the Azeri LP. I think they're the reason he abandoned his Last Federation LP. No, the reason the Last Federation LP was abandoned was because it was a terrible game for any sort of participatory LP.
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Feb 16, 2015 04:51
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That probably compounded it, yes. Or did he actually say that was the reason?
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Feb 16, 2015 04:59
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I recall him saying that that was the problem, but I could be wrong.
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Jeoh posted:I have read most Paradox LPs on SA, but I will never be able to understand the Crete LP. Good knews, no one did at the time either (and no one does yet)
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OK nevermind, tried the link from here http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?529944-Kaiserreich and this time it didn't time out. unicr0n fucked around with this message at 10:52 on Feb 16, 2015 |
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nutranurse posted:Nah, I was beating the AI on that too. I was rolling 4's while he'd roll 2's and get a flat -2 because they were always attacking across a strait. It was total bullshit. What was your unit composition like? IIRC there is a rock paper scissors system with how effective they are. Plus, archers go in the back row, they're basically artillery.
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