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Odobenidae posted:this thread is gay, and so are you Oh, that's great... except it isn't a link to a scary or unnerving wikipedia article. Thanks for playing, try again! 
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Odobenidae posted:this thread is gay, and so are you Oh man, this is like the first thread I ever started, is this what threadshitting is? Is this threadshitting? It's all exciting and new. I could have loving sworn everyone was posting pretty decent articles, certainly not bad ones, but now apparently everything is "gay" which I guess you're implying is bad in this context. That's really mean and edgy! Seriously though, post some real articles and stop bein' jerks. I don't poo poo up your threads, dammit 
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_David_Coughlin this article has been posted many times in this thread and the ones before it. I just watched a movie called Scenic Route on Netflix. While I dont think its specifically based on any true events I was reminded of that article the whole time I was watching it.
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That story reminds me a lot of the movie Gerry. Edit: Which I just noticed is linked in the 'see also' section.
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Sometimes poo poo just goes wrong in a way that's almost comical. Almost, because it ended up killing 600 people. I'm talking, of course, of the 1947 Texas City Disaster. A ship full of ammonium nitrate fertilizer bound for the farms of recently-liberated Europe caught fire at the pier, and burned long enough for the entire local volunteer fire department to turn out before the ship detonated in one of the biggest non-nuclear manmade explosions ever, leveling most of the town and killing all but one of the firefighters, along with a whole lot of people who had gathered on a nearby pier to watch the fire. That's just terrible and sad, but then it got hilariously worse. You see, as a major seaport in Texas, Texas City's main local industry was oil refining and storage, receiving oil piped in from the East Texas field and farther afield, to be refined, stored, and until fairly recently at the time of the disaster, shipped over to fuel Eisenhower and Patton's conquest of Nazi-occupied Europe. The war being over, all the storage tanks were full, and various chemical plants had been built nearby to take advantage of the existing facilities. Of course, the gigantic loving explosion knocked all that over and set it on fire. First responders from nearby cities initially couldn't get into town to help, the fires were so intense. And then poo poo got Biblical. There was another ship full of fertilizer moored near the one that blew up, and it caught fire when the first one went off. Fifteen hours later, despite a valiant but unsuccessful effort by the crew to get underway and move the burning ship out of the harbor, it exploded as well.  That's the ship that was tied up alongside the second one to blow up. The only recognizable parts of the two that blew up were the anchors from the first and and a propeller from the second, found a mile and a half and a mile inland, respectively. One anchor and the prop and the other anchor are now the centerpieces of two memorial parks in the city, though I can't find if the anchors were moved from their impact sites or if the parks were built around them.
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Noose Induce posted:Fuckin hilarious. Good job. 10/10, wow I never saw that coming. That was loving amazing. I hope you're loving proud of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOL
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There was plenty of warning for the 1889 Johnstown Flood, but the rich people who owned the dam ignored it.
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Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:Not in this thread. It's too long a story to post in this thread without being horribly off-topic. And honestly, I really don't even loving want to type it out because just thinking about it still shakes me up to this day. Holy poo poo get therapy you loving nutjob
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Can someone post a bunch of links to weird side effects of diseases that are being brought back by anti-vaxxers? I know there were some posts on this a few pages ago, but I want just a shitload of links to as many side-effects, secondary diseases, and all the various ways not getting vaccinated can gently caress poo poo up for a bunch of people so I can bookmark it and then throw links to it at people on facebook who are anti-vax
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blunt for century posted:Can someone post a bunch of links to weird side effects of diseases that are being brought back by anti-vaxxers? I know there were some posts on this a few pages ago, but I want just a shitload of links to as many side-effects, secondary diseases, and all the various ways not getting vaccinated can gently caress poo poo up for a bunch of people so I can bookmark it and then throw links to it at people on facebook who are anti-vax The trouble is the majority of good resources on this are government health sites, and anti-vaccers tend to believe the government is in bed with big pharma and putting deadly poisons in vaccines and... Ugh. Give them another source and they'll say it's not reliable, because they only trust the word of the quacks who say things they like. From the schadenfreude thread: acejackson42 posted:So, a woman calls into an anti-vaccination segment on the local talk-radio station to express her support for Coast-to-Coast radio and more specifically Andrew Wakefield, who happened to be a guest on C-C recently. She starts extolling the virtues of Wakefield and the anti-vax movement when the host cuts in and points out that Wakefield is so absolutely and completely discredited as to be unable to practice medicine in any form anymore.
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blunt for century posted:Can someone post a bunch of links to weird side effects of diseases that are being brought back by anti-vaxxers? I know there were some posts on this a few pages ago, but I want just a shitload of links to as many side-effects, secondary diseases, and all the various ways not getting vaccinated can gently caress poo poo up for a bunch of people so I can bookmark it and then throw links to it at people on facebook who are anti-vax The problem with your plan is that it's almost never about the science for those people. They already know the science, they know the consequences, and none of that is sinking in. It's a status thing, a symbol of privilege, to be anti-vaccine in this day and age. People who don't vaccinate themselves or their children feel empowered and confident in the knowledge that they, as part of a special and super intelligent few, have one-upped the rest of us. It's like they're all in a race to be the most granola parents of them all. The same thing that drives conspiracy theorists to be smug fuckers and drives rich, affluent teens to dress, act, and live as if they are homeless for some sort of bizarre street cred is the thing that makes these parents decide not to vaccinate their children. They will not be moved by pictures of children dying from complications of these diseases because they get more out of being able to brag about being anti-vaccine to their PTA friends. The assholes who decided gluten was poison and went gluten free when they had no symptoms have just aged and had kids. Those same people are now stupidly making anti-vaccine decisions to be part of the same, hosed up type of trend with no scientific basis.
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Any disagreement is seen as proof of the conspiracy, and actually reinforces their misguided ideas. You cannot argue with these people. Sucks for their kids though  Human minds do not operate in a logical way. http://www.livescience.com/43794-vaccination-rates-messages.html quote:Surveying 1,759 parents, researchers found that while they were able to teach parents that the vaccine and autism were not linked, parents who were surveyed who had initial reservations about vaccines said they were actually less likely to vaccinate their children after hearing the researchers messages.
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Just finished reading about the Beaumont children and Derek Percy in one of the Underbelly Australian crime collections. Although the writing tends to the purple and sensational, the summary is this: Percy was caught and jailed for a child murder and subsequently linked to a whole host of murders and disappearances. The evidence is largely circumstantial but strong, with Percy passing through or staying in the area of each incident, sometimes with a very specific match of dates, and him knowing specific details of landmarks near each killing. When asked if he was involved in any of these killings, Percy usually replies that he "doesn't know" or "might have". It's unclear as to whether he genuinely doesn't remember or is afraid that a confession might jeopardise his release. Also see: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-24/derek-percy-linked-to-deaths-of-9-children/4840556
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Wedemeyer posted:I think some of the worst things that could happen are just things that are random and uncontrollable. At least in present times we do have some kind of warning. The Johnstown Flood was a man-made disaster. I mean, the heavy rainfall would have caused a lot of flooding anyway, but the dam bursting was caused by the lovely earthen dam built by the industrial tycoons and the fact that they clogged up the spillway to prevent fish from escaping.
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For the past week I've been absolutely devouring this podcast that I think a lot of readers of this thread will like - and so I'll also recommend a first episode to start with, because it pertains to a "mystery" that's... not really a mystery, so much as a tragic circumstance, but there is still some mystery involved. The podcast is "Thinking Sideways" - http://thinkingsidewayspodcast.com/ The particular episode I recommend starting with is their one concerning the case of Lisanne Froon and Kris Kremers, that happened just around a year ago - two Dutch nationals were on holiday in Panama, made a string of bizarre and very bad decisions and ultimately died because of them. The scary and unnerving part of this story comes in to play when their belongings are found and they're able to pull records off of their cellphones and their camera - all of which was found neatly packed away into their backpack, obviously implying that after the series of strange photos found on the camera were taken, at least one of them was still alive and coherent enough to pack it all back up. http://thinkingsidewayspodcast.com/lisanne-froon-and-kris-kremers/#comments Enjoy. 
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outlier posted:Just finished reading about the Beaumont children and Derek Percy in one of the Underbelly Australian crime collections. What a horrendous person. I'd always heard that in the case of the Beaumont kids, though, it was generally acknowledged that Bevan Spencer von Einem was most likely the perpetrator. From Wiki (and spoiler texted because it is graphic language describing child murder): quote:One of the witnesses, identified only as "Mr. B", who was regarded as highly credible by police, related an alleged conversation in which von Einem boasted of having taken three children from a beach several years earlier, and said he had taken them home to conduct experiments. He said he had performed surgery on each of them, and had "connected them together". One of the children had died during the procedure and so he had killed the other two and dumped all the bodies in bushland south of Adelaide.
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ozza posted:What a horrendous person. I'd always heard that in the case of the Beaumont kids, though, it was generally acknowledged that Bevan Spencer von Einem was most likely the perpetrator. From Wiki (and spoiler texted because it is graphic language describing child murder): The related stories about a conspiracy of child rapists made up of judges and establishment types is kind of unsettling too, as before the Jimmy Saville thing in the UK and that US billionaire who got off with a fine for having sex slaves I'd just laugh it off--but now I'm not so sure.
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ozza posted:What a horrendous person. I'd always heard that in the case of the Beaumont kids, though, it was generally acknowledged that Bevan Spencer von Einem was most likely the perpetrator. I don't believe it's that universal - von Einem is just one of many suggestions, there's not a lot of good evidence for any suspect and after 50 years there's unlikely to be any. Is Percy a "better" suspect? The Underbelly authors think so, but as said the evidence is circumstantial. I reckon Percy is as good a lead as von Einem which is to say they're both just decent guesses. Percy can be linked more strongly to other crimes. On Percy being "a horrendous person", the Underbelly article talks about him being smart and well-liked until a certain age then becoming progressively stranger and more deviant. There's also an story about an aunt discipling him by tying him up and leaving him in a locked dark room. He comes across as a badly broken individual that the system wilfully ignored for years.
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outlier posted:On Percy being "a horrendous person", the Underbelly article talks about him being smart and well-liked until a certain age then becoming progressively stranger and more deviant. There's also an story about an aunt discipling him by tying him up and leaving him in a locked dark room. He comes across as a badly broken individual that the system wilfully ignored for years. Yes you're right a child murderer is not a horrendous person after all
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ozza posted:Yes you're right a child murderer is not a horrendous person after all I for one would love to hear more of Something Awful Forums Poster ozza's educated views on mental health
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Polaron posted:Wasn't there a clothing fabric back in the 60s or 70s that would melt when exposed to heat? Hard to find a good reference except my own memory, but there was an early version of rayon that was so flammable people called it "mother-in-law silk". Perfect thing to buy for the mother-in-law you hate. Content: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marybeth_Tinning I remember seeing one of those true crime shows about Tinning some years ago, probably on Discovery or one of those channels. Amazing that she got away with it for so long, even back then. Filox has a new favorite as of 16:46 on Feb 16, 2015 |
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atomicthumbs posted:You get infected with measles as a kid for whatever reason What do you mean whatever reason, didn't like, everyone have measles?
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how me a frog posted:What do you mean whatever reason, didn't like, everyone have measles? No, because I was vaccinated.
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how me a frog posted:What do you mean whatever reason, didn't like, everyone have measles? This was the case until the 60s when the measles vaccine became a thing.
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It's amazing how many people seem to think that Chicken Pox and Measles are basically the same thing.
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Chicken McNobody posted:(Did I read about this in this thread? If so, sorry for the repeat.) No one can blame you for forgetting, it was an entire page ago.
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Thought this was pretty interesting: http://listverse.com/2015/02/18/10-sudden-developments-in-mysteries-weve-been-following/ Some of the cases on the list have been discussed here, I think? Obviously most ended in tragedy, but it's nice that their families were able to get some closure 
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Crow Jane posted:Thought this was pretty interesting: This was pretty cool since it went down the list of some very well-known missing person cases. I always felt extra bad for the Greatful Dead guy since they had a body but no one made any effort to claim him. Some of the older cases being solved makes me feel more hopeful about them learning the identity of the boy in the box (  for autopsy photos). That's another case that's always stuck with me. I hope they figure out where he came from one day.
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http://waitbutwhy.com/2015/01/artificial-intelligence-revolution-1.html This is a long read (there's also the second part of the article) but I'm genuinely scared. My grandchildren might be immortal or they might be the last humans to live. It's not science fiction, it's future just a few decades from now. Here's also a TED talk on a related subject https://www.ted.com/talks/jeremy_howard_the_wonderful_and_terrifying_implications_of_computers_that_can_learn
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I know that Dyatlov pass is a huge favorite in threads like this, and last night I was listening to a podcast and it got me to thinking about something that's always sort of bugged me about the entire story - the fire that was found under the cedar tree where branches were broken off. Maybe someone else will have found some explanation that I've not been able to find. Let me preface this entire thing by saying that I personally think it was some sort of avalanche or ice shift and they got spooked, but this particular part of the situation is really the big "unsolved mystery" to me personally. According to the Wikipedia article, the fire was under a cedar tree and many branches were broken off of said tree, the location of which was not greatly near the campsite but there is no actual distance listed for how far the camp and the tree/fire is from each other. That being said, there were a few bodies found between the camp and the tree, and there is measurements for each of them listed in distance from the tree/fire. The longest body-to-tree measurement listed is 630 meters, which leads one to conclude that since that person is listed as being "between" the two points, then the camp is at least 630 meters away from the tree. 630 meters is 2067 feet - which is only a bit short of half a mile. If the fire that was found was the fire that the hikers built as their evening campfire, wouldn't they have also made their tents in that same wooded, and therefore also protected area? Also the fact that if they walked that far for the campfire negates the argument that Dyaltov didn't want to backtrack and that's why they pitched their tents on the slope where they did. So, then, as it is assumed - when they scattered in the night, they must have built the fire, right? That's what's the accepted belief as far as I understand. But... they were all naked except for a few scraps of clothing, listed as underwear and a few torn scraps found on the other people down in the ravine. That leads me to ask the question, then: how did a group of mostly naked people start a fire in wet snow in the middle of night while naked and panicked? Is there any explanation at all for this? I've never seen anything mentioned that says they found even something as basic as flint and steel on one of the bodies, much less a lighter or something else - and it seems like that would be a significant thing to mention if it was on the people in the ravine, since they were reported as having taken the clothing from the others when they had died.
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While I don't give any credit to the far-out Dyatlov explanations (aliens! radiation! military tests!), I've always found the debunking explanations quite weak. The incident is weird. Maybe the details have been garbled or exaggerated, but there's a lot (like the fire you point out) that doesn't make much sense.
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According to Dead Mountain (which is a great book on the incident I would definitely recommend) Georgy and Dereshenko were in the habit of sewing matches into their clothes in order to keep them dry. It's probably lucky they got a fire going at all, but then cedar can be lit even when quite damp.
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tower time posted:According to Dead Mountain (which is a great book on the incident I would definitely recommend) Georgy and Dereshenko were in the habit of sewing matches into their clothes in order to keep them dry. It's probably lucky they got a fire going at all, but then cedar can be lit even when quite damp. Perhaps, but one of the points that's made is that they were all mostly, if not completely in some cases, naked or in underwear. Though... I suppose the best garment to sew something in to keep them dry might be underwear, but that seems like they could still get damp from sweat and so on. Thanks for the book recommend, I'll definitely give it a read.
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That drat Satyr posted:Perhaps, but one of the points that's made is that they were all mostly, if not completely in some cases, naked or in underwear. Though... I suppose the best garment to sew something in to keep them dry might be underwear, but that seems like they could still get damp from sweat and so on. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/541627
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Yes, I am aware people with hypothermia tend to undress. But the "story" as it goes is that the only clothing found was a few scraps on one or two, and that the rest of their garmets were in the torn up tents. My prior statement was about where matches may have been stashed - possibly in underwear, which was the only consistent article of clothing that each hiker had on. I mean... I dunno. Like I said, I think that either an avalanche happened, or maybe the snow/ice just shifted and they spooked and ran thinking there may be an avalanche coming, then they couldn't find their way back in the cold and dark. The only "mystery" to me is that fire.
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That drat Satyr posted:Yes, I am aware people with hypothermia tend to undress. But the "story" as it goes is that the only clothing found was a few scraps on one or two, and that the rest of their garmets were in the torn up tents. My prior statement was about where matches may have been stashed - possibly in underwear, which was the only consistent article of clothing that each hiker had on. You'd be surprised at the kinds of crazy stuff that goes through peoples' minds when they're afraid, confused, and suffering effects of hypothermia. I'm with you though, I think a small avalanche may have happened, tore up their campsite and they freaked out and did what their minds thought was the most rational thing - find a tree, break some branches, and try to start a fire to keep warm or get noticed. Considering the conditions, it's not that far-fetched that they wouldn't have been able to see or been disoriented, especially after an accident happened.
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