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Zo posted:You might be right, but personally I'd be surprised if companies that don't pay overtime are a big majority since overtime is a huge part of many people's salary here. I've never been able to find reliable stats on this topic. If you have I'd love to see it. Overtime statistics are easy to find, but overtime paying stats less so. I guess it's almost impossible to keep track on a population basis given the numerous ways a company can avoid paying overtime, whether みなし残業 falls under this (it should), etc. If the majority of companies are like mine (I assume they are because the opposite is greeted with a "wow that's incredible"/"I'm thankful I work where I do"), then overtime pay up to a certain number of hours, say working 60 hours a week, is automatically assumed for you in salary calculations. So your base pay is probably the absolute minimum they can get away with, 'overtime' pay brings it up to barely a liveable wage, and any hours you put in on top of that you are not compensated for because you're already being 'paid for overtime.' (Why am I still working for this place?! drat momentum.)
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Reverend Cheddar posted:If the majority of companies are like mine (I assume they are because the opposite is greeted with a "wow that's incredible"/"I'm thankful I work where I do"), then overtime pay up to a certain number of hours, say working 60 hours a week, is automatically assumed for you in salary calculations. So your base pay is probably the absolute minimum they can get away with, 'overtime' pay brings it up to barely a liveable wage, and any hours you put in on top of that you are not compensated for because you're already being 'paid for overtime.' (Why am I still working for this place?! drat momentum.) What you're describing is the みなし残業 system I mentioned in my post. I interviewed at about 12 companies recently and only 2 of them used it - tiny sample size and biased field (engineering/law) but there you go. I think it's an awful, poo poo system that's basically made up since the total assumed salary at those 2 companies wasn't any higher than the base salary alone at the other places.
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Feb 6, 2015 05:20
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I have 40 hours a month of OT baked into my contract, at 10 hours a week. If we go over that they are supposed to pay OT, were also supposed to get approvals and whatnot if we have to work that much.
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Feb 6, 2015 06:04
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Zo posted:What you're describing is the みなし残業 system I mentioned in my post. I interviewed at about 12 companies recently and only 2 of them used it - tiny sample size and biased field (engineering/law) but there you go. I think it's because there's no overtime exempt positions like in the US so no one's purely salaried. みなし残業 is a way to get around that. That's what my position is. I'm lucky, though, as I'm the only person on my team in my office (so no bosses to look good for) and I pretty much never put in more than 8-9 hours a day.
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I'm working six days a week, 10 hours per day with an hour for lunch by contract. At the very least, I have no overtime, and nobody has ever discouraged me from taking a day off. I am the only foreign employee at my company, though, so expectations are a little different. Also, it should be nine hours a day, but everybody shows up at the office a good hour before the official starting time. Productivity-wise, I'll readily admit that I waste enough time that I could be accomplishing the same amount in five days, easily. If I ever quit, it will be almost solely to get my two-day weekends back.
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Zo posted:What you're describing is the みなし残業 system
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Feb 6, 2015 07:19
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Bloodnose posted:What does that literally mean? Because those kanji in Chinese mean like "brutal/miserable industry/work". "granted overtime." 残業 itself just basically breaks down to "extra/excess" and "work/industry." 残 isn't really sinister or negative by itself in Japanese. It just becomes negative or sinister when used with other negative or sinister kanji. For example, 残虐. Also, trap sprung, weeb. People who study Chinese call them "hanzi." :gb2adtrw: ErIog fucked around with this message at 07:29 on Feb 6, 2015 |
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Feb 6, 2015 07:24
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Samurai Sanders posted:My boss back in Japan was always bragging to us that he was working 80+ hours a week. Bragging. This is increasingly common in the West as well. Now of course whats working 80 hours a week, and what's working hours a week is another thing.
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Sheep posted:That's one way to hit the nail right on the loving head. I mean, america is not nearly as bad as japan in this regard, but this is idealizing the US to a hilarious degree. there's blatant flaunting of labor laws in basically every unskilled position
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It's easy to enforce all your labor laws when you don't actually have any
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Feb 6, 2015 07:37
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ErIog posted:"granted overtime." 残業 itself just basically breaks down to "extra/excess" and "work/industry." 残 isn't really sinister or negative by itself in Japanese. It just becomes negative or sinister when used with other negative or sinister kanji. For example, 残虐. ErIog posted:Also, trap sprung, weeb. People who study Chinese call them "hanzi." :gb2adtrw: I was translating for you guys  and also I study Cantonese so they're honji.
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Berke Negri posted:This is increasingly common in the West as well. Now of course whats working 80 hours a week, and what's working hours a week is another thing.
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A big flaming stink posted:I mean, america is not nearly as bad as japan in this regard, but this is idealizing the US to a hilarious degree. there's blatant flaunting of labor laws in basically every unskilled position Walmart is pretty famous for forcing employees to work unpaid overtime but on a whole the vast majority of business aren't billion dollar MNC's that expect to be able to fight lawsuits in courts for decades and then only have to pay a measly few million when they lose. If the local hardware store doesn't pay your wages properly and you have proof is a call to to the country and then said business gets hosed. There's an insane amount of employee protection for the US worker, and that's not even talking about unions, and on a whole any attempt to exploit workers is a huge risk on the part of the company. The only companies that can get out of it are the ones making billions every quarter and can afford to fight it at every level and if they lose pay some small pittance.
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Feb 6, 2015 09:19
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Samurai Sanders posted:I've never encountered someone here who is proud of working late. It's always either "there's absolutely no way I can avoid this, but it's only this one time" or "drat, I should have planned my time better". I'm in the latter category usually. It's increasingly common in startups.
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Feb 6, 2015 09:21
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The thing about the Japanese labor stuff is that you can find examples of the same kind of abuse in America, but usually with low-skilled or minimum wage workers. In Japan this phenomenon is not limited to the lowest rungs of the ladder, it goes all the way up to highly-paid white collar workers. It should also be noted that the Black Kigyou that were talked about above are just the Japanese examples of the most egregious form of abuse. The default state for workers in Japan would be considered unreasonable or abusive in comparison to the generally accepted default state for non-minimum-wage workers in the US. You can find examples of slavery in the US, and you can find similar examples in Japan. The thing that's different is that white collar office workers are usually not subject to the same kind of rampant abuse that Japanese white collar workers are.
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Feb 6, 2015 09:25
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point of return posted:It's increasingly common in startups. Lots of bosses or small time restaurant owners work crazy hours as well. But they get compensated and the share or profits. Being salaried? gently caress That ErIog posted:Also, trap sprung, weeb. People who study Chinese call them "hanzi." :gb2adtrw: Bloodnose posted:Right right, now this all seems very familiar and I'm pretty sure I've asked this question before and had it answered the same way. It's just called 中文字. Even when appropriating Japanese terms.
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Feb 6, 2015 09:33
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caberham posted:Lots of bosses or small time restaurant owners work crazy hours as well. But they get compensated and the share or profits. Being salaried? gently caress That A lot of Google's services are basically made so people don't have to leave work either (you have your own cafeteria with whatever you want!).
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A big flaming stink posted:I mean, america is not nearly as bad as japan in this regard, but this is idealizing the US to a hilarious degree. there's blatant flaunting of labor laws in basically every unskilled position The Anglosphere includes a number of countries that aren't America, and as someone else already pointed out, the difference is that if you get evidence and go to your local department of labor (in the US, anyways), the hammer will come down phenomenally hard on said business. Compare to Japan were the labor boards have the power to basically (and as far as I know I'm not exaggerating here) send a strongly worded letter requesting that they follow the law and not much else. It's half a cultural problem and half a structural problem in Japan - the culture is built around taking pride in how long you stay at work which creates barriers to legitimate complaints, and the legal framework isn't setup for people to actually press these sort of claims against employers - it's a lot of "looks good on paper" that doesn't really pan out in reality. If Japan just enforced the laws they had on the books and got rid of the flagrant dispatch worker system abuses (and threw out the foreign Sheep fucked around with this message at 15:14 on Feb 6, 2015 |
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Voting age in Japan is now 18 This is a pretty big step and quite interesting considering you wouldn't think that the parties would be all that interested in adding more young folks into the possible pool of voters. But maybe they are trying to swing the young voters now as a way to get themselves out of being stuck having to answer to the olds. I wonder if the drinking age will remain 20 in Japan though.
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Kenishi posted:Voting age in Japan is now 18 Well, the voting base is literally dying off, and Abe thinks young people are more likely to want to repeal Article 9 for some reason. I think the logic is that they're too young to truly know how lovely WW2 era Japan was. I think he's barking up the wrong tree there, but I see the logic. More young voters could also give them political cover to gently caress with benefits/taxes on old people in the future. Abe wants to continue increasing the consumption tax, and that's something that hits pensioners pretty drat hard. They still re-elected him, though, so I dunno. When he gets around to putting up the referendum to make amending the constitution easier he can also spin it as being part of a broader push to increase direct democratic participation rather than a naked ploy to more easily repeal Article 9. The drinking age is also the first thing I thought of, but I doubt it will change. There's no laws that force carding, and so anyone older than 16 that doesn't have a school uniform on can buy alcohol/porn/cigarettes pretty much anywhere. Legal drinking age is 建前 all the way. When I was on study abroad our handler from the school office took us out for drinks, and just laughed really hard when someone in our group said they were 19. Nobody gives a poo poo. There's alcohol vending machines on the street that don't require any ID. The cigarette machines all require a Taspo, but nothing for the machines that vend Asahi tallboys. ErIog fucked around with this message at 12:21 on Feb 8, 2015 |
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Feb 8, 2015 12:15
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ErIog posted:Well, the voting base is literally dying off, and Abe thinks young people are more likely to want to repeal Article 9 for some reason. I think the logic is that they're too young to truly know how lovely WW2 era Japan was. I think he's barking up the wrong tree there, but I see the logic.
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mystes posted:The results of the 2014 Tokyo gubernatorial election provided some justification for this view, though, in the form of the surprising number of people in their twenties who voted for Tamogami. Is this guy as crazy as Ishihara?
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He hasn't made as many xenophobic gaffes as Ishihara, I don't think. But Tamogami is very invested in the idea of militarizing Japan again. The wiki on him even mentions that in his book he is open to the idea of making Japan nuclear. So, maybe to the Japanese, he's his own brand of crazy.
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Kenishi posted:He hasn't made as many xenophobic gaffes as Ishihara, I don't think. But Tamogami is very invested in the idea of militarizing Japan again. The wiki on him even mentions that in his book he is open to the idea of making Japan nuclear. So, maybe to the Japanese, he's his own brand of crazy. He's a full-on "World War II was a war of defense, Nanking never happened, nananananananana can't here you" pants-on-head right-wing warmongering imbecile. He's every bit as bad as Ishihara, imho, with the added bonus of not being ready to keel over at any moment from being old as dirt. The poo poo he says is so dumb and out there that Taro "My Family Fortune was Built on Slave Labor" Aso had to fire him.
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What I don't understand is, if the LDP is run off of old man rural votes and that's why they ended up so conservative, how does the mayor of the biggest, most cosmopolitan city in Japan ALSO end up so conservative?
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Samurai Sanders posted:What I don't understand is, if the LDP is run off of old man rural votes and that's why they ended up so conservative, how does the mayor of the biggest, most cosmopolitan city in Japan ALSO end up so conservative? Cause nobody votes.
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Mayor stands in opposition to air conditioning/heat in his city's elementary schools. Usually the thread title is accurate for Japanese news, but in this case I think "each other" should be replaced with "children."quote:He can ignore the outcome of the referendum because it is not legally binding. Also, fewer than one in three eligible voters cast a ballot, which the mayor had set as the threshold for withdrawing his opposition. Only 31.54 percent voted. So they have these students locked up in these shitbox classrooms with soundproof everything sweating their balls off in the summer because they can't open the windows. :nihon:
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ErIog posted:Mayor stands in opposition to air conditioning/heat in his city's elementary schools. Usually the thread title is accurate for Japanese news, but in this case I think "each other" should be replaced with "children." While we're on the topic, has anyone ever heard a plausible explanation for why all the school ovals (and most parks) in Japan are dirt? It's always baffled me, because grass is clearly a safer option for kids, and even in dry dry Australia we use trillions of litres to keep our school ovals and parks grassy. Is the explanation just one of those tautological "this is how we've done it in Japan, so this is how we do it" type things?
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ozza posted:While we're on the topic, has anyone ever heard a plausible explanation for why all the school ovals (and most parks) in Japan are dirt? It's always baffled me, because grass is clearly a safer option for kids, and even in dry dry Australia we use trillions of litres to keep our school ovals and parks grassy. Is the explanation just one of those tautological "this is how we've done it in Japan, so this is how we do it" type things? Well, and it costs money to do that stuff and maintain it. Most schools have 0, 1 or 2 staff members that are responsible for maintaining the grounds as well as the buildings themselves.
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ozza posted:While we're on the topic, has anyone ever heard a plausible explanation for why all the school ovals (and most parks) in Japan are dirt? It's always baffled me, because grass is clearly a safer option for kids, and even in dry dry Australia we use trillions of litres to keep our school ovals and parks grassy. Is the explanation just one of those tautological "this is how we've done it in Japan, so this is how we do it" type things? Expensive as hell. And how much safer is it really? Besides cuts and scrapes being more common on dirt there's not that much of a difference, and those hardly matter. Plus in a place as space-limited as much of Japan, dirt can be used for more things. Track doesn't generally run on grass, for example.
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ErIog posted:Mayor stands in opposition to air conditioning/heat in his city's elementary schools. Usually the thread title is accurate for Japanese news, but in this case I think "each other" should be replaced with "children." Kenishi fucked around with this message at 11:00 on Feb 17, 2015 |
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Kenishi posted:The thing that made me the most curious about this was the way the decision process was handled. Mayor wanted 1-in-3 voters to voters to vote on it. But considering when the area voted him in, only 34% of the eligible voters voted; I feel like it was an easy gamble for him to assume that less than 33% would show up. That's interesting. The whole thing comes off as disingenuous. The referendum "failing" is just an excuse. The referendum was also non-binding so even if it passed it's not like he would have to do anything legally. He claims to have not used air conditioning in his home since 2012 and never in his car either. I bet that's a load of poo poo.
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The whole thing was disingenuous from my viewpoint. The only reason why he set it up like this though I bet was in order to give the voters an outlet. If he had just said "No, I'm not going to do anything and I don't care about your referendum." the media would have ate him alive. So in this way it looks like he placated the voters without there ever having been any real threat that he would've had to do anything.
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The really dumb thing is that he's rejecting a 31.54% turnout with 56,921 in favor and 30,047 against. Think about that. If only he had been more vocal and gotten 5000 more people to come out to vote against air conditioning, he would have reached his arbitrary turnout limit and had to install air conditioning.
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http://blogs.wsj.com/japanrealtime/2015/02/12/tokyos-shibuya-ward-to-issue-same-sex-partner-certificates/ Shibuya revealed a plan to start giving gay partnership licenses to be used as identification for the purposes of housing, hospital visitation, and next of kin. The licenses will be not be legally binding, though, and the local government is hoping for people to voluntarily recognize them as legitimate. The statements from Shibuya seem hopeful, but I suspect these things aren't going to go anywhere. There's significant prejudice against gay people in Japan. Landlords weren't preventing gay people from cohabitating on procedural grounds. They were deny housing because they're assholes, and will deny housing to anyone from any outgroup. Interestingly, a sane interpretation of the current constitution actually should require the Japanese government to support gay marriage because: quote:Article 24. and quote:Article 14. The wording in article 24 I think most likely refers to putting a kaibosh on things like explicitly arranged marriages or coercive marriage. However, the text of 24 and 14 taken together would lead a reasonable person to assume that gay marriage should be available in Japan under the current constitution. Due to this wording I heard a Japanese pundit tinfoil-hatting about how Abe is going to try to use gay marriage as a wedge issue to amend the constitution. He thinks Abe will use the public antagonism toward gay marriage to amend Article 24, and then people will be caught up in some kind of nationalist haze over having done their duty as a citizen that it will then become easier to amend Article 9. mystes posted:The really dumb thing is that he's rejecting a 31.54% turnout with 56,921 in favor and 30,047 against. Think about that. If only he had been more vocal and gotten 5000 more people to come out to vote against air conditioning, he would have reached his arbitrary turnout limit and had to install air conditioning. I think the referendum was triggered through a petition and signature drive. I'm not sure what the laws are on that, but the referendum certainly wasn't his idea. Also, even if it had reached 33% turnout he wouldn't have had to do poo poo since the referendum was legally non-binding. He would have just spun it differently. Either way it's a tremendously dumb move because turnout for the referendum was high if you take the election that he was elected to office with as a baseline. So this referendum is only slightly lower turnout, and 26,000 more people told him he was doing a bad job than a good job. I wonder if this will have ramifications for his next election. ErIog fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Feb 18, 2015 |
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From a sane standpoint your interpretation of the constitution is basically correct, but the problem is that it hinges upon Japan having a strong rule of law when in reality it's all about bureaucratic whims.
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Yeah, if constitutional law mattered, they wouldn't be considering re-militarizing, and the diet would have been re-districted years ago. edit: Oh and women wouldn't be discriminated against. Anyway I guess this is what happens when another country writes your constitution for you. Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 04:05 on Feb 18, 2015 |
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How many times now has the diet's composition been found to be in a state that contravenes the constitution, yet they decide to just let the results stand because it'd be mendokusai to fix it? Even the Supreme Court was basically like welp gently caress it.
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Sheep posted:From a sane standpoint your interpretation of the constitution is basically correct, but the problem is that it hinges upon Japan having a strong rule of law when in reality it's all about bureaucratic whims. Yeah, and that's why I said it wouldn't go anywhere. Sheep posted:How many times now has the diet's composition been found to be in a state that contravenes the constitution, yet they decide to just let the results stand because it'd be mendokusai to fix it? Even the Supreme Court was basically like welp gently caress it. Under the current electoral system, three times. The 2009, 2011, and 2012 elections were all declared unconstitutional despite token attempts at rebalancing districts. What happens is that the Supreme Court says, "we're not going to nullify, fix it before the next election." The Diet passes some kind of redistricting that does almost nothing, pretend they have fixed it, and then act shocked when the next election is also ruled to have been unconstitutional. The Supreme court then says, "we're not going to nullify, fix it before the next election." The Diet passes some kind of redrist-...
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