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richardfun posted:I feel that in the first season, this show would have had the balls to keep the library and use it as a big new plot device to take the show in a new direction. Hell, it feels like the library was a rejected part of an early pitch that they rewrote. Anyone remember that great scene in season one when Ichabod started talking about how great Thomas Jefferson was and then Irving and Abby went off on him for hours? Where the hell was that attitude?
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BrianWilly posted:I thought it was kinda interesting in the Orion episode where he mentioned how unusual it is for Witnesses to be proactively participating in the war against evil. Because, yeah, it kind of is, isn't it? Because they have no extra powers of any kind that would make them any more suited to fighting the supernatural than anyone else? All they really have is information. In particular, I feel like they've kind of...amplified...Ichabod's obscure occult knowledge base since the beginning of the show where he only kinda barely knew about the supernatural world and only because he had a bunch of smarter friends who knew more than he did. Well, he does have an eidetic memory and they've looked at a ton of the occult books in the library . . . v  v
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If they kept the library I would hope the show had the guts to kill the guys stuck down there.
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Waffleman_ posted:Remember the pilot? Im right there with you 
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The extended season really didn't help them any, should have stuck to 13 more focused episodes
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Feb 11, 2015 03:50
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What a bad episode. At least have the monsters getting killed cause damage to the power source keeping them undead through some sort of feedback instead of escaping safely by just walking out occasionally headshotting a zombie and then going back in again to destroy the place(without clearing it out first) because :byod: public safety hazard :byod:. There were so many more logical options to keep the library intact. Like, if only there was some automated portcullis that could be used to lock the zombies back in their ca... oh wait. Also Henry tricking people into a blood pact with charm and some clever props is cool. Henry blood pacting people in their sleep is super loving lame.
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Feb 11, 2015 03:56
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Blowing it up was dumb, or at least not earned. The interval between finding the cool thing and sacrificing the cool thing was way too short. As set up it makes sense that they couldn't keep it as a secret base. In the short term even if they stuck with the story of rabid animals attacking workers there would be investigators from a dozen different agencies down there. OSHA, animal control, search and rescue, all sorts of investigators. Not to mention the original engineering firm, who would still need to map the tunnels. Realistically once Abby reaches the surface Crane would have no more than an hour or two of privacy. At the beginning of the episode they said the tunnels were going to be replaced by underground parking for a shopping mall. Within months there would be excavators who would either expose the chamber or accidentally destroy it. So even if they could use some trickery to keep everyone out it wouldn't matter soon. To keep the secret library intact they would need to somehow scuttle the plans for the mall.
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Angela Christine posted:At the beginning of the episode they said the tunnels were going to be replaced by underground parking for a shopping mall. Within months there would be excavators who would either expose the chamber or accidentally destroy it. So even if they could use some trickery to keep everyone out it wouldn't matter soon. To keep the secret library intact they would need to somehow scuttle the plans for the mall.
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Tupperwarez posted:To be honest, this would have been an incredible arc. It would have been like those 80's comedies where the band of plucky misfits has to save their beloved summer camp/youth center/whatever. "Saving our headquarters with a mere Talent Competition? Lieftenant, this is folly! To amass the capital required to sate these Developers' avarice...why, not a soul in our company can breakably-dance with the necessary skill!" Across Sleepy Hollow, the Horseman of Death stirs. Free of Moloch, yet trapped in this headless form, Abraham sees his only chance to earn his redemption... 
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Feb 11, 2015 11:59
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We need an actual headless version and f that.
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Feb 11, 2015 12:20
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Let's just get zombie / demon John Cho back into the mix. I was actually kinda disappointed with this episode.
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I'm really just not sure what happened to this episode. Yeah, fantasy show, suspension of disbelief is always a thing... but this is the first time I just couldn't even manage it. They find a library of all the information they need, left just for them, with holodeck TJ as their librarian. Ok, fine. There are also horrible monsters down there, placed there to defend the library. Or maybe they were regular soldiers, who got mutated over time by the magic battery, unintentionally? So either it was a bad plan, or a stupid plan. Either way, the Reavers are psychotic, damaged humans who attack spaceships and eat anyone they find. Wait, not spaceships, wrong Reavers. Sorry. Still, they had to be taken care of first even if the city workers weren't down there, so those three guys were almost a non-issue anyway, aside from getting that photographer into the show. (oh god, he's going to be a recurring character, isn't he?) The effects showed a cone of light that tracked Holo-TJ, seemingly projecting just him, so the rest of the library should be real. At the end of the episode, the Reavers seem to be locked in the basement, behind a very sturdy-looking portcullis. At this point, unless there's some major factor we're not being told, nobody is in any immediate danger. Otherwise, Ichabod would be fighting off monsters, not getting time to say goodbye to Holo-TJ. The Reavers seem to live in in the room with the battery, and they clearly have no desire to damage that, since they haven't in 200 years. The only problem is that they run amok and kill anyone who enters, because there's no way to lock them safely away. Except near the end, Holo-TJ just slams a portcullis down to seal the room. So he could do that at any time, he just... didn't? So Ichabod, a brilliant intelligence agent and expert tactician, whips out a bomb and sets the timer for just one minute. The hologram duplicate of Thomas Jefferson, widely considered one of the absolute finest minds in American history, seems to agree that this is the best plan. Better plans: * Don't set the timer on the bomb yet. Hang around, talk to Holo-TJ, and take photos of as many of the important documents as possible. With Abbie and her badge running interference upstairs, that could buy a few hours. This is world-savingly important poo poo here, as determined by the guys who clearly knew what they were talking about. Yeah, it's some extra work, but seriously, look how much work Jefferson put in to get it this far. * Set the timer on the bomb for maybe ten or twenty minutes, ask Holo-TJ which of the books and documents are the absolute most vital things to their mission, load as many of those as possible into a box or bag, and take them. Make more than one trip, if possible. * Set the timer for maybe 5 minutes, ask Holo-TJ "Ok, what is the most important thing for us to know? Just tell me something. Tell me anything useful, because clearly you know important poo poo. Seriously, anything at all." * Set the timer for one minute if that really must happen, and shove just any random poo poo into your pockets before running away. Absolutely anything in this room is at least potentially useful. Even if it's totally useless as supernatural intel, throwing an armload of genuine lost crap from the founding Fathers onto eBay could at least help Ichabod get a motorcycle or that house with the granite countertops. Robot Hobo fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Feb 11, 2015 |
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Feb 11, 2015 19:37
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Yeah, I'm watching the show for reactions to modern things and I hope that becomes more a focus. "Take New York in a day" with a modern battleship, indeed!
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Even the B-story in this episode felt all wrong. "Hey Jenny. So, yeah. I came back evil, found a rune thingy that was never shown to the audience or really hinted at until just now, and ended up good for a bit except when I wasn't. I'm about to go evil again, permanent-like. Decided that instead of telling you all of this information ASAP, it would be best to instead make up a totally unnecessary lie, even though you definitely would have helped me if you knew the truth. Also, if you had fallen for the story I (as still-Good Irving), was telling you, then I would have specifically avoided giving my dear friends any warning that I'll likely walk up to you guys in a couple days with a friendly smile and slit your throats. Yeah, this seemed like the best plan." It feels like they meant to give Irving a proper arc, with some clues, maybe at least a mention of the magic rune beforehand, some kind of inner struggle. Even the scene where he finds the rune in a hidden compartment in a book felt like the search for it should have been a whole episode's B-story by itself. Instead they just burn through all of that in like three minutes of exposition. Really unsatisfying. Either this was all a successful (if baffling) lie by Bad Irving, cleverly hidden by letting Jenny think she'd out-smarted him, or somehow everyone just got intensely stupid this week. Considering the events of the A-story, I'll have to assume it's just dumb. I like this show quite a lot, but this particular episode's writing is just... what the gently caress? Robot Hobo fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Feb 11, 2015 |
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I hate to say it but the show is in the beginning of a nose dive. They should have stuck with less episodes this season
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I do hope they get a third season because I really would love to see them course correct. They could probably end the season on a good note but if they get to continue after that, that's what I'm more curious about.
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Isn't this what Fox wanted them to do, go for self-contained stories that have little-to-no overarching plot relevance? I swear the head of Fox Television was quoted saying this a few weeks ago, along with intimating that the series wasn't going to get a third season because it was not performing.
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This episode was not made in response to what Fox said. These episodes are made months in advance.
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Beyond sane knolls posted:Holy poo poo this episode killed it. loving rad. Killed what, the show? Spellcaster was as bad as this season has been. The bad guy was literally Solomon Kane with a slight name change, the plot was ripped straight from Warlock and the special effects were awful. The only redeeming feature the episode had was John Noble.
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It was also really poorly paced. When they killed the bad guy they set up this really hastily made plan out of nowhere and then Ichabod was really emotional as if that guy was someone he knew for a while. The show has been nosediving hard after the midseason. And we though Hawley was as low as it could go...
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I still get the feeling they were ordered to off Moloch by midseason by the horrible douchebags running Fox. Like some higher up network exec who watched none of the episodes but saw Moloch in one of the trailers and said Oooo thats too scary, make someone else the overarching villain. And the rest of the season is the writers trying to recover from having to toss several seasons of plots and rebuild from the ground up while trying to recapture the mojo of the first season but failing miserably..
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Binary Badger posted:I still get the feeling they were ordered to off Moloch by midseason by the horrible douchebags running Fox. Like some higher up network exec who watched none of the episodes but saw Moloch in one of the trailers and said Oooo thats too scary, make someone else the overarching villain. Uh, hmm. Nope?
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Jedit posted:Killed what, the show? Spellcaster was as bad as this season has been. The bad guy was literally Solomon Kane with a slight name change, the plot was ripped straight from Warlock and the special effects were awful. The only redeeming feature the episode had was John Noble. If bad special effects and plots/characters taken from other works bother you so much, why do you watch this show, which is 100% those things, at all?
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Feb 17, 2015 02:30
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It's never get involved in a land war in Asia.
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Jeremy, what did you do?!
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Feb 17, 2015 03:05
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Of course, apparently no one has bother to let Katrina know that the only time witches get burned now is when they buy overpriced Henna ink at Hot Topic.
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Feb 17, 2015 03:22
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So.....witch racism.
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Waffleman_ posted:So.....which racism. Washington reneged on lots of promises
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Maxwell Lord posted:Irving is now a ninja? I think he's more like Solid Snake.
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Metal Gear Sleepy -Colonial Paranormal Action-
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I guess that's the end of Ichabbie
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HENRY PARRISH! That's some good shoutin'.
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I think that even with car-splody powers, Katrina would still get her rear end beat by Juliette from Grimm.
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You know, I'm not even mad about Katrina's heel turn, I'm just happy things are happening. Edit: Well....poo poo. Edit: poo poo. Waffleman_ fucked around with this message at 03:53 on Feb 17, 2015 |
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Feb 17, 2015 03:43
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Well I can't say I saw that coming.
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So... reversal of status quo with Abbie as the woman out of time during the War?
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Yes, interesting things are happening! I missed you, Sleepy! Edit: Hahahaha nice mirror of the pilot. Edit2: OH poo poo THEY EVEN HAVE SYMPATHY FOR THE DEVIL
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Oh boy. Hah, old timey Sympathy for the Devil cover.
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